Harry Potter: Is Miriam Margolyes right that adult fans should 'grow up'? - Fans of the wizarding world have denounced Miriam Margoyles, who said the franchise was for children.

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I visited Platform 9 ¾ at Kings Cross station as a child. Obsessed with Harry Potter, I was convinced that if I ran through the wall I would find myself arm in arm with Ron and Hermione boarding the Hogwarts Express on my way to becoming a fully fledged witch.

Sure, I would have to leave my Muggle parents behind, but aged 10 that was a sacrifice I was prepared to make.

However, my attempt at running into a brick wall left me with little more than a bruised head, and the magic had, quite literally, been knocked out of me.

While this abruptly brought my dream of going to Hogwarts to an end, for some Harry Potter fans the fantasy lives on into adulthood.

It is no wonder then that fans have been sent into a frenzied meltdown on social media after Miriam Margolyes, who played Professor Pomona Sprout in the film series, told adult fans to "grow up" and get "over it".

In two recent interviews in New Zealand and Australia, the 82-year-old actress said she worries about adult Potter fans as "they should be over that by now".

"It was 25 years ago, and I think it's for children," Margolyes told New Zealand broadcaster TZNZ.

"I do Cameos [personalised video messages] and people say they are doing a Harry Potter-themed wedding, and I think, 'Oh gosh what is their first night of fun going to be?'"

The actress, who recently posed naked behind a stack of iced buns for a Vogue photoshoot, later told ABC News Australia that once teens are through puberty, "it's time to forget about it and go on to other things".

So, should adults set aside their wands, leave behind the wizarding world and accept that "it's for children", as Margolyes says?

For many millennials, Harry Potter is part of their identity. The books, written by JK Rowling, were released between 1997 and 2007, and the eight films between 2001 and 2011.

Most of us might occasionally re-watch the films on a Sunday afternoon and would do relatively well in a round of Harry Potter trivia, but for some people their interest extends far beyond this.

Jennifer Peiro and Hector Garcia are two content creators in their early 30s who run dedicated Harry Potter accounts on Instagram.

Peiro, whose account has over 120,000 followers, says that as an adult it is difficult to make friends, but her account helped her "connect with like-minded people". For Garcia, creating Hogwarts content "has been one of the most rewarding and healing parts of my adult life".

Both say the wizarding world provides a form of escapism and community for them.

"I regularly get comments from people all over the world saying how the story has saved them during dark times, how it's their safe space and comfort," Peiro explains.

Garcia adds his account "has evolved into something I can use to forget about life in a healthy and therapeutic way".

It is hard to blame these fans for wanting to swap the mundanity of everyday life for a world where potion classes and Quidditch matches reign supreme.

One Potterhead who is part of the fandom is Rachel Parker, a 32-year-old wedding planner who specialises in "nerdy themed" ceremonies.

As an adult, she has become heavily involved in the online community, which she says is the most enduring legacy of Harry Potter.

From online forums and fan fiction sites to real-life meet-ups and book clubs, the community "have almost overtaken the books themselves and created so much more", Parker explains.

Of course, Harry Potter is not the only fantasy world that some adults, like Rachel, are obsessed with. You will likely find people of all ages visiting Disney theme parks for the hundredth time or re-enacting Lord of the Rings battle scenes in their spare time.

In fact, the number of people attending Comicon, an annual comic convention where people dress up as fictional characters, has risen dramatically - there are now over 150,000 attendees every year.

Even more impressive is that Warner Bros Studio Tour London, where a number of the films were produced, has welcomed over 16 million visitors since it opened in 2012.

'Worst kind of bully'

So how have these diehard fans reacted to Margolyes telling them to pack away the robes and broomsticks in favour of more adult interests?

Maddi Harwood, 32, who runs an Instagram account dedicated to fantasy genre books , said she is "used to bullies making fun of me for loving Harry Potter".

"The worst kind of bully is someone who makes fun of another person for something they absolutely love and adore," she adds.

"It's unnecessary to shame people for enjoying something especially when she profits from Harry Potter," explains Peiro.

Critics and commentators have expressed mixed views about Margolyes's comments.

City AM's film critic Victoria Luxford told the BBC: "This isn't a conversation we have about music or sport, you don't grow up and stop supporting a football team or listening to your favourite artist so why should it be any different for films?"

She said Margolyes made the remark because she "didn't understand".

"It's a generational thing," Victoria suggests. "The idea of holding on to things from your childhood that you enjoy is a relatively recent thing".

Film critic Siobhan Synnot called Margolyes's comments "snobbish", adding: "Classic children's films may speak to adults too, it's about ambition, sophistication and quality, not age range".

However, Lindsey Fraser who was one of the first book critics to write a review of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone in 1997 for The Scotsman said: "The books are definitely children's books.

"But it was a clever move by Bloomsbury to publish 'adult' editions - the only difference being the jacket design."

It is not just some critics that agree with Margolyes, but some adults who loved Harry Potter as a child also think it's time people got over it.

"It's cute if you're a parent enjoying it with your children or watch it occasionally as a guilty pleasure, but the full-on fandom stuff is a mega red flag," 26-year-old Ellie Piggott told the BBC.

'Not a child's story'

Beyond escapism and comfort, some fans argue that the books are actually more catered towards adults.

"There are lots of real world issues behind all the magic that you wouldn't normally think of directing at children - themes like the true cost of war, depression, racism, sacrifice and corruption in government," says 34-year-old Kelly Komar, who is an avid Harry Potter collector.

Ioannis Karellis goes one step further. "At a high level, the story is about an evil racist tyrant and his band of followers who regularly torture and murder opposition and take political power by force to enforce their own world view on people - clearly this is not really a child's story."

The 26-year-old who re-reads the books regularly said he recently discovered a new interpretation.

"The ministry's denial of Voldemort's existence until it was absolutely irrefutable because of the fear of what that would mean draws parallels to how governments responded to Covid-19."

It certainly seems that adults remain very interested in the franchise.

In 2018, Mastermind asked applicants to change their specialist topics after the quiz show received 262 applications to answer questions about Harry Potter.

Matthew Cortland, who founded a chain of bars that offer immersive wizardry and magic experiences, says people are "fascinated by fantasy because it provides an alternate reality for people to exist in".

"Everyone wants to find a place they belong and when society rejects you, you seek comfort elsewhere," he adds.

It was Dumbledore who once said "happiness can be found, even in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the light".

For many adults, no matter what Margolyes says, that light comes in the form of Harry Potter.
 
They're slightly better than Disney Adults, but only because they don't give a fuck about what the queen of TERFs says on Twitter.

Wizarding World is a lot more fun than Disney World, which is another thing grown Potter-heads have going for them.

Otherwise, I could say all of these same things about adults who center their entire identity around Pokemon, Sonic or some other long running children’s media.
 
They got exposed to HP as kids, so they're more inclined to be imprinted with this stuff. They were immersed in the world because of the vast merchandising, and they "grew up" with the characters, so they have this weird idea that the characters are somehow "real" to them.
Despite the fact this video was made by a troon I think they have a valid point. Consumerism plays a pretty big part in the world of Harry Potter in a way that does feel quite cynical at times, even when compared to something like Star Wars because it's baked-in to the worldbuilding itself.
The meat and potatoes of their point is made within the first ten minutes, by the way. You can pretty much ignore the rest. Breadtubers have a nasty habit of making their point within the first few minutes of the video and then rambling on for another half an hour about nothing.
 
When I was a wee tiny lad around the time Desert Storm was happening, I read a couple of kids’ book series that made me lol a bunch. Louis Sachar’s Wayside School books and Nancy MacArthur’s Plants That Ate Dirty Socks books- at least the first couple. Even among some other classic kid novels I read back then I especially liked those.

If adult me was basing his entire personality on these particular kids books, people would rightly regard me as a demented freakshow.

So, I’m glad people are finally telling the Pot-fags to stop acting like retards. They deserve it.

JK can keep trolling trannies though.
 
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ah, furries
might be cheaper in the short term but long term it'll cost way more than a trip to Universal or two
Women typically don't become furries, they just become, at worst, vegans. Still annoying, but not life destroying. She's shot and eaten deer, so I doubt that's going to be an issue. I think finding boys that aren't faggots by her standards are going to be where she struggles.
 
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Like whatever you want, just don't make it your whole personality

I read HP books when I was a kid and now I can't wait to read them to my kids, but I'll be god damned before I make them a part of my personality, I'm not putting "Gryffindor" or whatever on my resume (like I saw happen once)
 
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Like whatever you want, just don't make it your whole personality

I read HP books when I was a kid and now I can't wait to read them to my kids, but I'll be god damned before I make them a part of my personality, I'm not putting "Gryffindor" or whatever on my resume (like I saw happen once)
Harry potter was fun pop culture literature, but I'd read CS Lewis books to my kids.
 
The most based Harry Potter fan of all time was Syrena Done (aka SlayerSyrena), a hardcore Christian who ran a Harry Potter mailing list/fansite that had over 50,000 names. Once she heard that Dumbledore was gay, she nuked it all. Swore she wanted nothing more to do with it forevermore. Is that as crazy as being an adult fan? Maybe, but at least she was going against the grain...
 
The ministry's denial of Voldemort's existence until it was absolutely irrefutable because of the fear of what that would mean draws parallels to how governments responded to Covid-19
Way to prove the actress' point. No wonder nobody takes these manchildren seriously. That said I do think there are kids shows and shit that can be enjoyable as an adult. I still play pokemon occasionally because it was part of my childhood. Getting hardcore into it though, that is kind of weird and really cringe, like the above quote.
 
I mean, people are shaped by the media they consumed as kids. It's just how it is.

I think the line is crossed when the adult fans pretend it is somehow deep and actually caters to them as adults in some way. It's okay to admit you like simple things for what they are.
Agreed. I liked Dr. Seuss, but you'd never see me going cultural jihad against anyone for not agreeing with me, even though I'll occasionally be in a dentist's office or whatever, and a Dr. Seuss book is there and I'll pick it up and have a little nostalgia moment reading it. Same with CS Lewis, and to a degree, Tolkien. How someone has their personality defined by this shit just shows how immature and self-centred they are.
Children were dumb and the craze was huge.

Iirc for a period they had make it clear that running at the wall would not work cause it was causing issues.
That was a mistake. They shouldn't have told these retarded kids about that. Then we wouldn't have a problem with the grown up HP fans now...

Hmm. Either that, or that's exactly what caused it.
Like whatever you want, just don't make it your whole personality

I read HP books when I was a kid and now I can't wait to read them to my kids, but I'll be god damned before I make them a part of my personality, I'm not putting "Gryffindor" or whatever on my resume (like I saw happen once)
I totally would have hired someone with that on their resume. I approve of bullying in the workplace.
 
Did the BBC just post an entire Harry Potter related article without mentioning that JK enables trans genocide?

Remarkable.
That’s the real reason they’re telling them to grow up. They wouldn’t be saying that if she said “trans rights.”
 
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

-First Corinthians 13:11

"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

CS Lewis


Oddly enough, CS Lewis appears to have been a devout Christian who disagreed with the bible.
The bible also says that only those with the innocence of kids can enter heaven.

It doesn't mean you have to be a stiff a la Matt Walsh who thinks vgs are for kids and you have to always act mature and serious, it means that you need to accept the responsibility of being an adult once you're one and act accordingly, or rather, you shouldn't escape them like a kid would do. Once you're an adult, you have to work, get married, act maturely, etc. It doesn't mean you can't engage in playing with friends, have fun, and be a bit silly. All well as long as you don't want to be a child forever as consoomers and Disney adults do.
 
I visited Platform 9 ¾ at Kings Cross station as a child. Obsessed with Harry Potter, I was convinced that if I ran through the wall I would find myself arm in arm with Ron and Hermione boarding the Hogwarts Express on my way to becoming a fully fledged witch.
Don't you first need a letter for this?
Sure, I would have to leave my Muggle parents behind, but aged 10 that was a sacrifice I was prepared to make.
SHE RAN INTO THE WALL AGED TEN.
Then we wouldn't have a problem with the grown up HP fans now...
With journalists, too.
At least, she managed to write the article without whining about troonphobia.

the 82-year-old actress
The actress, who recently posed naked behind a stack of iced buns for a Vogue photoshoot, later told ABC News Australia that once teens are through puberty, "it's time to forget about it and go on to other things".
Maybe not the best role model of going on to other things. Nicely done, journo.

some fans argue that the books are actually more catered towards adults.
lol
It is hard to blame these fans for wanting to swap the mundanity of everyday life for a world where potion classes and Quidditch matches reign supreme.
Here's the funny thing, Harry Potter GROWS UP and quidditch matches stop "reigning supreme", they only do in the early books when the characters are young. Then Edmund dies and shit gets real.

I was reading Conan the Cimmerian stories by the time all my friend got on the Harry Potter bandwagon. I read a few chapters, decided it was pablum meant for retards, and went back to my usual readings.
I got into fantasy through Dragonlance a year earlier, read Lord of the Rings, hated it, was reading random books from mostly the sci-fi section of the mail-order catalog and the anglo shop discount bin.
Then, wham, bookstores ASSPLODED with ads for
"THE BOY WHO MADE THE WORLD BELIEB IN MAGIC"
I decided I wouldn't be touching anything Harry Potter anytime soon. About 5 years later, another fantasy fan offered to loan me five of the books and I didn't want to be a pretentious "I'm not reading kiddy shit" asshole and accepted.
 
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