The American Child Torture Industry: Cons and Cults Disguised as Schools - Because Discord and Roblox aren't bad enough.

[gsv2w3erfe4]

I have been down that route, and it only made me angrier.

If I mention the literal caged, bound, filth-covered survivors of High Impact, and people look for ways to get out of the conversation because it wasn't deemed as mattering. They might acknowledge it, but mostly just weasel and wiggle out of talking about it like a cat held over a bathtub.

If I mention conversation therapy, they explicitly care only about that, to the point that if I point out that once conversion therapy specific programs are gone, the same queer kids go to other programs to be converted, they stop caring, because apparently it only matters if the program is full of gay kids, or, perhaps if the program explicitly does only that. Why, I don't know.

If I mention ABA therapy, I do get some head way, but again, it comes down to "I care about the designated mattering group, or, what I myself identify with, and no further."

The second I try to lead them toward "let's care about kids, not just identity-kids, or JustLikeYou-kids, or political prop" they twist and flop.

Since the documentary dropped, because of some sort of "ITS ON THE TV!!! IT COUNTS!" effect, now I get traction, and "BUT I DIDN'T KNOW!" from the same people I fucking told for years.

It's all so tiresome.

If they are saying they didn't know it sounds like they forgot about what you were telling them, or dismissed it. I can't really tell why they act like that, since I wasn't in those conversations and I don't know the context they were had in. It also sounds like some details were too uncomfortable for them to think about, so they want to exit the discussion or they aren't sure how to react. Like what you said here:

People care about safe things they are told to care about, for kudos and and points and back pats, or for fun. Lashing out about something out of your control far away is a lot safer and more fun than internalizing "oh wow, millions of tortured children, I should do something", and especially easier than actually trying to fucking do something about it.

Talking about caged children covered in filth is less 'safe' than a lot of things, so maybe you have to find people willing to talk about stuff that's as morbid. Even then, maybe some people don't care as much because it doesn't affect them as personally, in comparison to other similar things. It is possible to convince people that they should empathize with other groups, or that they share a common struggle. But these things are easier said than done.

I think someone in the thread said the documentary didn't mention some of the worse details, which could be so it doesn't scare people off. And maybe the documentary made it easier for them to empathize with kids in those camps and make them a "designated mattering group". That may be one part of the "ITS ON THE TV!!! IT COUNTS!" effect, but I don't know. Anyways this is stating the obvious, but if the documentaries get traction with people, use it.

 

[2al]

Talking about caged children covered in filth is less 'safe' than a lot of things, so maybe you have to find people willing to talk about stuff that's as morbid. Even then, maybe some people don't care as much because it doesn't affect them as personally, in comparison to other similar things. It is possible to convince people that they should empathize with other groups, or that they share a common struggle. But these things are easier said than done.

Do you think that it's easier for gruesome things to be the current thing if they're far away from home and therefore distant? Such as wars far away from home? Or is it easier when it could be used to guilt-trip the opposite political side or paint it as evil?

 

[doodoocaca]

Do you think that it's easier for gruesome things to be the current thing if they're far away from home and therefore distant? Such as wars far away from home? Or is it easier when it could be used to guilt-trip the opposite political side or paint it as evil?

I think it makes it easier to talk about or bring up to wave around as a prop, to then beat on some group or person they do not like or to talk about how bad something is or say you're ignorant of some thing or go blah blah colonialism or whatever.

I rarely see the talk walked when they bring shit up, it's just shit you bring up as a rhetorical bludgeon. I personally do not like it when people make people into props. Even if I don't like Kant's whole "sit on your hands" approach to morality (yes I'm oversimplifying) I do like "people should be ends, not means."

I really think a child should be an end, not a means.

Have any of these places ever advertised on Psychology Today? There's this section there that advertises rehabs and inpatient and outpatient facilities, or at least this was the case 9 or 10 years ago when I still had access to that magazine.

I think so! But I really don't remember much.

Just what do you think is the real Paris behind the mask anyway? While she has to still be masking somewhat in these video diaries that were stolen from her storage locker, I've noticed that her vibe was different compared to her TV persona: nowhere as ditzy and sweet, more of a mean girl (who clearly had a lot of poorly-channeled aggression), and not as consistently baby-voiced. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5eQ2EdnkJyv54x9SGJSK1QF-RmvJMcWH&si=dv3M2CsYw-5W6tMf

Based off of the actual what from This Is Paris (there was a LOT of chaff, the people who made the documentary were clearly used to just doing glitzy bullshit and not something serious) as much as knowing CPTSD from experience, hurt.

You don't go to 4 programs, end up in Provo Canyon School, completely alienated from your family, and then on top of it find the only way to be self supporting is selling your body AND get the revenge porn leak thing from back in the day thrown on top and not end up battered by it all.

CPTSD means you're hyper-vigilant and see the world through the lens of what made you that hurt. For her, that means people who would cuff or medically restrain her, lock her in rooms, dope her up, make her stare at walls or be in stress positions, and worse. Another wheat berry from the chaff pile that was This Is Paris is what a fucking doormat she is in relationships since she's so desperate for love and trained to be a psychological punching bag.

There's one interview where she drops character - that I can't find right now, blah. There has been some media coverage, but it's been pretty crap.

Do they also police your rants if they're too edgy? As is often the case for Redditors?

It in general tends to squelch hurt survivors, especially if the dagger of "well I'm sending the kid anyway/ it's ok to torture my kid" is twisted and people are rightfully enraged, because the mods think they need to coddle parents and hide how this makes you hurt so much for your entire life. There's also Reddit Admins being the biggest faggots on earth, somehow topping Narvin if you add them all up, saying to make it "welcoming" and not be too mean to people asking if it's okay this time to make an exception and have their kid tortured.

But somehow mods being abusive is a-okay.

Talking about caged children covered in filth is less 'safe' than a lot of things, so maybe you have to find people willing to talk about stuff that's as morbid. Even then, maybe some people don't care as much because it doesn't affect them as personally, in comparison to other similar things. It is possible to convince people that they should empathize with other groups, or that they share a common struggle. But these things are easier said than done.

I think someone in the thread said the documentary didn't mention some of the worse details, which could be so it doesn't scare people off. And maybe the documentary made it easier for them to empathize with kids in those camps and make them a "designated mattering group". That may be one part of the "ITS ON THE TV!!! IT COUNTS!" effect, but I don't know. Anyways this is stating the obvious, but if the documentaries get traction with people, use it.

You have a good point, and this is where I admit I'm -far- from perfect and ultimately just someone who is persistent and fucking furious. I'm surprised I even made it to middle age given how fucking mad I have been for so long, but here I am.

I can't just emotionally flinch and block it out. Tortured kids don't make me flinch and go into psychological self preservation mode, it makes me want to do every fucking thing I can about it. I honestly don't get it, I don't know how an adult can be such a fucking coward or a selfish prick that they'd go "... eh."

Where is anyone's sense of duty to humanity here? Am I so fucking weird? I guess so.

 

[John R. Brown M.D.]

This can't be real.
Read on. Suffer with me. Do something about it and you'll feel a little better.

Ah, the child torture industrial complex. Lovely. What kind of a fucking loser was she such that she couldn't work at a program and got busted to fat camp duty? Forgive me for making light of this, but it's my cope. Fuck her.

You have a good point, and this is where I admit I'm -far- from perfect and ultimately just someone who is persistent and fucking furious. I'm surprised I even made it to middle age given how fucking mad I have been for so long, but here I am.

I can't just emotionally flinch and block it out. Tortured kids don't make me flinch and go into psychological self preservation mode, it makes me want to do every fucking thing I can about it. I honestly don't get it, I don't know how an adult can be such a fucking coward or a selfish prick that they'd go "... eh."

Where is anyone's sense of duty to humanity here? Am I so fucking weird? I guess so.

This shit and far worse is done routinely done to autistic children out in the open and accepted as part of the shrink establishment since Skinner's days, and I've never seen any of your types give a single fuck about it, but because it includes "non-subhumans" (a.k.a. trust fund baby normalfags who are spoiled as fuck) in the last decades suddenly everyone gives a shit. Conversion therapy was literally made for autists and then adapted for gays, but that's a hate fact I guess.

Give me a break. Keep seething.

Talking about caged children covered in filth is less 'safe' than a lot of things, so maybe you have to find people willing to talk about stuff that's as morbid. Even then, maybe some people don't care as much because it doesn't affect them as personally, in comparison to other similar things. It is possible to convince people that they should empathize with other groups, or that they share a common struggle. But these things are easier said than done.

I think someone in the thread said the documentary didn't mention some of the worse details, which could be so it doesn't scare people off. And maybe the documentary made it easier for them to empathize with kids in those camps and make them a "designated mattering group". That may be one part of the "ITS ON THE TV!!! IT COUNTS!" effect, but I don't know. Anyways this is stating the obvious, but if the documentaries get traction with people, use it.

Caged children covered in filth? Like ICE? LMAO

 

[cybertoaster]

She remembers the "lifeboat process" and even made it to the lifeboat in the psycho mind torture session

What's that?

 

[Kerr Avon]

I've heard rumors of pro-transitioning programs but none materialized. I'm glad.

WPATH puts the lie to that

 

[A Cat in a Minefield]

Poland banned that crap in the 18th century (IIRC). I'm pretty sure Japan banned that crap in 1947 (though it can still happen illegally). And Scandinavian and Western European nations have pretty much all banned that crap by the late 20th century (IIRC).

And yet in some states in America a teacher can still beat kids as if it's medieval times??

Freedom, baby! I feel that this shit would just not fly in Europe. I'm not sure if this is because there is less religious fanaticism or that it is directed to more traditional churches, not some weird offshoot. Furthermore the politics here are way, way less influenced by religious doctrine. Of course there are political parties campaigning with being Christian but they are generally really tame and not fanatics, because that would destroy their chances of getting voted in.

 

[doodoocaca]

What's that?

tl;dr - after you've lost your grip on reality they convince you all but three kids are going to die and you all have to vote on who survives. Hours of begging and screaming when you're already hoarse and dehydrated and delirious ends with survivor guilt for the three voted up and everyone else begs that their last words be passed on.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-am...lts-disguised-as-schools.185287/post-17923566

https://web.archive.org/web/20130904044303/https://crosscreek.wwaspsn.org/lifeboat-death-simulation-psychological-torture-in-focus-seminar/

WPATH puts the lie to that

Got a few examples?

Poland banned that crap in the 18th century (IIRC). I'm pretty sure Japan banned that crap in 1947 (though it can still happen illegally). And Scandinavian and Western European nations have pretty much all banned that crap by the late 20th century (IIRC).

And yet in some states in America a teacher can still beat kids as if it's medieval times??

One thing to remember is beatings in themselves aren't as bad as the culture of fear it creates, the mind fuck of "people who I should trust hurt me" and indeed 'beating' "you have to just let people hurt you" into a kid's brain.

One also doesn't have to strike a child to torture or break them at all. It's more an expression of how boorish the abuser is than anything else. Humiliation and isolation is more than enough.

 

[Midwit]

Talking about caged children covered in filth is less 'safe' than a lot of things, so maybe you have to find people willing to talk about stuff that's as morbid. Even then, maybe some people don't care as much because it doesn't affect them as personally, in comparison to other similar things. It is possible to convince people that they should empathize with other groups, or that they share a common struggle. But these things are easier said than done.

I think it might just be normalcy bias, for a lot of people the idea that this shit actually happens is unthinkable in the most literal sense of the word and unless the knowledge is normalised within the general population they aren't going to take it seriously.

 

[doodoocaca]

I think it might just be normalcy bias, for a lot of people the idea that this shit actually happens is unthinkable in the most literal sense of the word and unless the knowledge is normalised within the general population they aren't going to take it seriously.

When I provide pictures and personal video accounts of it among multiple survivors and then show the text accounts going back pre-youtube are consistent, then what is it? Besides a firehose of hell I guess.

 

[Android raptor]

I think a lot of people also don't want to accept something this horrible could be so widespread.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I'm sorry in advance for bringing in anime here, but I'm being reminded of St. Lucia's Academy in the Higurashi universe. Always took that part as just a thing of fiction to amplify psychological horror, especially since we typically only got it from one character's perspective and it's rather biased. Shion Sonozaki was sent there on orders by her grandmother simply because she wasn't the heir, and she was there no more than two years before escaping it, she despised it that much. All we got was she hated the stuck-up rich kids there (despite her family being rich), the strict curfews, and a required religious studies class, we didn't know much else about it. There was a manga about her time there that had a murder mystery for the plot, but it got canceled. The school came back in Umineko where the same stuff was brought up, so it was never fully made clear why the characters hated the school so much.

Years later, according to the shitty sequel from a couple years ago, another character, Rika, wanted to go there and asked her BFF Satoko to study up and attend with her. She hesitantly agreed because friendship, and they get accepted in. Rika makes new friends just fine, but Satoko can't because of her "countryside" angle and the fact she never felt smart, she hated studying. Despite Rika offering to help her study and being turned down, Satoko's grades slipped so badly she had to take remedial classes, which were brutal to the psyche. Students who weren't improving got punished, and there were fucking prison cells under the school for such "miscreants". The anime was such shit that Shion never had a scene dedicated to try and talk Rika out of going, so the manga made up for that.

It's worth mentioning the creator was a social worker before he wrote Higurashi, so no idea if he ever worked with school-related trauma that wasn't your typical bullying ever. Fans in general find the stuff about St. Lucia so dramatic and silly that it's hard to take seriously.

No idea how many schools in Japan are like that in actuality, however, especially schools where delinquents were designated to. It's mostly believed a lot of these places were remnants from the war and disciplinary tactics were dying out with the old-guard, and may have been more-or-less exaggerated in manga.

What I'm getting at is that this shit in this thread was sounding familiar to me because of how commonplace these kinds of stories are told in manga and visual novels (the Higurashi creator made another series involving a hellish school that came off as really edgy). Think this was also showcased in historical prestige academy British literature, too, but I don't remember the disciplines ever being torturous in nature. Neither does it sound like old-school disciplines like ruler-smacking and belting that was common in American schools before the mid-20th century were ever this bad.

Is this a case of the abuse cycle getting worse in the modern era (as in the people involved went through similar disciplines—if you want to call it that—as children), or just a rise in psychotic sadists getting involved in child psychology/education? This had gotten its start someplace and was never stopped. Is this in relation to the asylums getting reformed then shut down?

 

[doodoocaca]

DOC DROP SUNDAY

Firstly, Jason Finlinson discusses butter, and owed money from Narv Lichfield, who distinguishes himself as being exceptionally cheap. Note that CSA had consistent reports of expired, sickening food (and later, starvation rations), and CSA is one of his programs. Also note that Bob - Robert Lichfield, Narv's dad, and the head honcho of WWASPS - gets his cut before expenses are factored in.

Basically just the inner workings of these illiterate scumbags going on about money and being pieces of shit. Now, with OCR because fuck typing this shit

doodoocaca note: Images aren't embedding right so I have no way to match ocr to an image at the moment.

Spoiler: OCR of internal emails

From:
Jason Finlinson <aativyri@twony.rr.com>
Sent:
9/3/2002 7:36:46 AM
To: Ken Kay <ken@infowest.com>
Subject: Re: bbs fyi question
Ken, We are a for profit outfit. We are also a general partnership.
Jason
Original Message
From: "Ken Kay"
To: "Joe Mitchell"; "Brian Waters"
: "Cameron Pullan";
"Carolina Springs Academy"; "Dace Goulding"
: "Dan and Donna Peart"; "Doug
Pennock"; "Jason Finlinson"
: "Jay Kay"
"Joe Atkin"
: "Karr F.": "Ken Kay"
: "Ken Kay" "Kerry Gubler"
: "Lana Peart": "Narvin
Lichfield"
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: Fw: bbs fyi question
> Just to clarify this matter, please let me know if any of you are
incorporated as a non-profit other than Casa.
> We get this question about everyday.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
Original Message---
> From: "BBS Admin"
To:
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:22 PM
> Subject: bbs fyi question
>
>
> > This was posted in the BBS FYI Forum on the BBS. Do you want to reply,
> send me
> > something to post on your behalf?
>>
Roy B
> > "Hi, are our program schools considered profit or non profit? I was
> talking with an
> > agency about sending some pamplets to them. They said there would be
some
> reluctance on
>> a non-profit agencys part to have literature available for a profit
> school/program. So
> > what are we?

From:
Narvin Lichfield <narv9@hotmail.com>
Sent:
10/5/2004 4:11:48 PM
To:
jasongacademyivyridge.com This:
Doug Pennock <dgpennock@yahoo.com>;
Subject: Re: thanksgiving
Thanks Jason we just need some help I hope I didn't come on to strong I know you are doing a great job I just want to make sure
we get our profit that you and I both desire and deserve. Casa or Dundee (paradise cove, brightway, Moravia academy, sunrise
beach, all are in this same boat) can happen at anytime so lets make sure we get our security as others have done. Bob (no offence
intended) gets all of his $ upfront and thus isn't sunk by the events...we need to be just as smart follow his example and do what
bob does so well.
Original Message
From: Jason Finlinson
To: "Narvin Lichfield
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: thanksgiving
Narv, I do the best I can with the money. It has been tight with the way the money is being pass out. Im in the same
boat as you. I have been fair with you and Joe. We all get a equal cut no more and no less. I have not done any
major improvements cents we have talked about it. I hoping to get one this month, it is looking like we can. I will let
you know next week, on how much I can send.
We are looking forward coming down for turkey day.
Jason
From: Narvin Lichfield [mailto:narv9@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:40 PM
To: jason@academyivyridge.com
Cc: Doug Pennock
Subject: Re: thanksgiving
Butter whats up? we are looking forward to your visit for thanksgiving. It will be great to get with you guys and we are
excited to see ya all...if you could be so kind, what is the status of the money we really need to get some ASAP we
agreed to at least $30,000 per month and we received some for June (paid the last of July)but none for the 3rd QTR
breakout and none of the agreed to $30,000 for July, August or September. We are now in October, Doug told me you
had to take some for payment of taxes in September and we would get the equal amount so did you pay your taxes
yet? if so we haven't received ours... we have taxes and about a million uses for the money we thought you would be
paying...we have made it work without for the last 3 months at great hardship especially after the $100,000 we thought
and counted on (seeing I went to Bob and got him to pay the re-imbursement quickly for the purpose of getting our
share which didn't happen after I did my part)was to be paid for the 2nd quarter then you arbitrarily (If you will
remember our original agreements were you would do no major expense with profit monies over $10,000 unless you
had my support and consent. )decided to do more upgrades to the facilities which I support within reason and as long
as there is some profit but if all profit is to be funneled back into an asset we don't own that doesn't make sense and
would start to create some basic conflicts of interest for you as the manager...I know I just don't understand please
write back with the sistuation...you now have more kids not less and should be now even more profitable not less...I
am not trying to hassle ya but we simply need some help I-Narv

From:
Jason Finlinson <jason@academyivyridge.com>
Sent:
8/31/2005 10:47:20 AM
To:
'boblich@infowest.com
Subject: call with narvin
Bob I had this call with Narvin and Doug. It seems like all he cares about is running a lean program, Running the
program on bare bones.
Jason

From:
Jason Finlinson <airl@twcny.rr.com>
Sent:
5/21/2003 8:47:05 AM
To:
Trudy Stokes <trudy@wwasp.com>
Subject: Re: ownership
Trudy, As of our conversion on this matter yesterday. Joe and I and a three
party have formed a partnership that makes up the ownership of the Academy
at Ivy Ridge
As soon as I get the papers I will send you a copy of them.
thanks
Jason
Original Message
From: "Trudy Stokes"
To: "Narvin Lichfield": "Dace Goulding"
; "Jason Finlinson"
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: ownership
> Dear Directors and/or Owners,
>
> We here at the WWASPS office get phone calls requesting information on the
> ownership of your respective programs. Ken has directed us to ask you how
> you would like your ownership to be addressed to potential parents,
parents,
> and possibly reporters who call here under the disguise of a parent. And
> are your programs for-profit or non-profit? Please respond as soon as
> possible.
>
> If I can be of further assistance please respond to this email. Be sure
to
> visit the wwasp.com web page by clicking on the following hyperlink:
> http://www.wwasp.com
>
> Trudy Stokes, Parent Coordinator
> World Wide Association of Specialty Schools and Programs
> off
435-656-2313 x106
> trudy@wwasp.com
> Fax
435-656-0529

From:
Jason Finlinson <airl@twcny.rr.com>
Sent:
11/13/2002 9:07:10 AM
To:
narvin lichfield <narv@academydundee.org>
Subject: Re: RE:
what inscentive plan do you want?
butter
Original Message
From: "narvin lichfield"
To: "Jason Finlinson"
Cc: "narvin lichfield"
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:20 AM
Subject: RE:
> butter I spoke with doug laSTNITE and request that you send me a copy of
all inscentive progams for you and your employees so that I can help fiqure
a possiable budget with you thanks narv
>
> -----Original Message-----
> To:
> From: "Jason Finlinson"
> Subject:
> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:06:20 -0500
> I have a new email address. the address is airl@twcny.rr.com any
question please call
> thanks
> Jason

From:
Jason Finlinson <aativyri@twcny.rr.com>
Sent:
10/28/2002 12:27:40 PM
To:
narv@mail.academydundee.org
Subject: Re: stgeorge
I will see you there. I will call you when I get into town.
Butter
Original Message
From: "nary"
To: "Jason Finlinson"
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: stgeorge
> Butter that sounds great I am there now and will be here till about the
5th call me on cell 864-377-1948 to set up time I think we might be at bobs
for halloween but I am not sure-Narv
<
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Jason Finlinson"
> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:44:06 -0400
<
> >Narvin what is happing. It sounds like you are never home. I guess that
is good and bad. Doug tells me that you are going to be in Utah next week.
I'm coming out there and will be in StGeorge on the 31st and 1st of
November. It would be fun to see you and set down and have lunch or dinner.
We could go over the books. I have all the info on my lab top. You are
welcome to browse through it.
>>
> >Let me know your schedule and lets work something out.
> >Love
> >Butter

From:
Harold Dabel <harolddabel@yahoo.com>
Sent:
9/24/2004 1:02:41 PM
To:
Doug Pennock <dgpennock@yahoo.com>
Cc: narv9@hotmail.com; Fran Bustos <fbustosangel@yahoo.com>; Jason
<jason@academyivyridge.com>; Bob Lichfield
<boblich@infowest.com>
Subject
:
Re: Bed Space solutions
Doug, I just spoke to Narv and he recommends that we would accept the warrantee kids for
the two months for 0 tuition plus monthly fees plus a one time $1000 admission fee that
has to be paid directly to the school only and $1990 per month plus student monthly fees
thereafter. This is a done deal for us if accepted. Please note that we would be
willing to accept this arrangement for any school's warranteed kids as long as they come
willingly and agree to sign our Honor code.
Harold
Doug Pennock <dgpennock@yahoo.com> wrote:
Butter just called me with an idea to fill beds and get started. You could take
Casa's warrantee kids, most are 18. They are expecting no charge but we could
perhaps offer a discount and win some good will with Casa and WWASP as no-one
wants these kids.
What do you think?
DP
Harold Dabel <harolddabel@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ken and Bob: Please respond to this e-mail about our offer. I asked Narvin
to write in support of what we are offering here in Costa Rica. Let us know
if we can be of service to your clients who are seeking other avenues or for
whom the more restrictive programs in the U.S. are not as well suited. Some
of the concessions we had to make here to receive PANI approval would be
considered less restrictive; Such as weekly telephone calls home, semester
breaks (home passes or off grounds visits) for all students every three
months. The coed environment during school, the weekly ongrounds social
activities for all students, the added activities with an extra fee to
guarantee a monthly activity off grounds for all students, etc. We believe
that we offer a great opportunity to many parents and students who would
otherwise leave a WWASP school. We would like to try to recapture a lost
market and fulfill a need for many who decide not to complete programs at
their current schools. Our specialization in college prep with agreements
made with Dixie College for College Credit opportunities for our students
creates an interesting opportunity for students. We are also interested in
discussing agreements that can be profitable for your referring and
admissions agents at other schools as well as admissions companies. Thank
you for your attention in this matter. I think you can understand how
urgent this is to us at this time. Many of us, especially Narvin, have been
investing time and money here with no incoming revenue for over a year here
and we have reached a critical point in our ability to continue offering
services with an outlook of receiving a very slow growth. As the top
worldwide organization in this business, we believe that we have created a
niche to add in a needed area for your students and parents alike who are

From:
Jason Finlinson <jason@academyivyridge.com>
Sent:
10/5/2004 3:03:56 PM
To:
'Narvin Lichfield' <narv9@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: thanksgiving
Narv, I do the best I can with the money. It has been tight with the way the money is being pass out. I'm in the same
boat as you. I have been fair with you and Joe. We all get a equal cut no more and no less. I have not done any
major improvements cents we have talked about it. I hoping to get one this month, it is looking like we can. I will let you
know next week, on how much I can send.
We are looking forward coming down for turkey day.
Jason
From: Narvin Lichfield [mailto:narv9@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 11:40 PM
To: jason@academyivyridge.com
Cc: Doug Pennock
Subject: Re: thanksgiving
Butter whats up? we are looking forward to your visit for thanksgiving. It will be great to get with you guys and we are
excited to see ya all...if you could be so kind, what is the status of the money we really need to get some ASAP we
agreed to at least $30,000 per month and we received some for June (paid the last of July)but none for the 3rd QTR
breakout and none of the agreed to $30,000 for July, August or September. We are now in October. Doug told me you
had to take some for payment of taxes in September and we would get the equal amount so did you pay your taxes yet?
if so we haven't received ours... we have taxes and about a million uses for the money we thought you would be paying
...we have made it work without for the last 3 months at great hardship especially after the $100,000 we thought and
counted on (seeing I went to Bob and got him to pay the re-imbursement quickly for the purpose of getting our share
which didn't happen after I did my part)was to be paid for the 2nd quarter then you arbitrarily (If you will remember our
original agreements were you would do no major expense with profit monies over $10,000 unless you had my support
and consent.)decided to do more upgrades to the facilities which I support within reason and as long as there is some
profit but if all profit is to be funneled back into an asset we don't own that doesn't make sense and would start to create
some basic conflicts of interest for you as the manager...I know I just don't understand please write back with the
sistuation...you now have more kids not less and should be now even more profitable not less...I am not trying to hassle
ya but we simply need some help I-Narv
Original Message
From: Jason Finlinson
To: Narvin Lichfield
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:07 AM
Subject: thanksgiving
Narv. How is going today, I hope all is well with you and the wife. I had some question about thanksgiving. What is
the plan and the dates to visit South Carolina and Costa Rica? IF you could let me know today, so I can buy some
tickets.
Thanks Jason

From:
Jason Finlinson <aativyri@twcny.rr.com>
Sent:
2:10:10 PM
7/24/2002
To:
Joe <joe@academydundee.org>
Subject: budget
Joe, If I could get a hold of you and talk about the new budget Narvin is talking about setting up. I would like some more info on
it. Let me know what is a good time to get a hold of you and what number is good.
Butter

From:
Morris Peacock <mpeacock@kempburdick.com>
Sent:
5/5/2005 5:23:38 AM
To: Chris Langlois <cpl@girvinlaw.com>
Cc:
jason@academyivyridge.com;
Subject: RE: Academy at Ivy Ridge
Chris and Jason,
Here are my questions on the agreement.
How does Narvin (Adolescent Services) get satisfied as far as ownership?
10.2 What is the "occupancy of Central Avenue"
3.10 (b) Do we want this clause in here since the Company is already
thriving and profitable and we are just changing the legal form of
operation?
4.8 How can vote be unanimous when managers are same as owners. Again,
how does Narvin get a vote?
4.10 If Narvin were an owner but not a manager, would he have a say?
8.2 Distributions should be "cash" receipts, not "dash"
8.4 this may not work with the outstanding liabilities to National
Contract Services and RBL Family Partnership.
Thanks! I will be out of town in Salt Lake at a conference on Thurday
afternoon and Friday. You can reach me by cell phone (435) 229-1934.
Morris
-----Original Message-
From: Chris Langlois [mailto:cpl@girvinlaw.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:19 PM
To: Morris Peacock
Cc: jason@academyivyridge.com
Subject: Academy at Ivy Ridge
Morris I think I may have forgotten to attach the Operating Agreement
to my prior e-mail. If I did, here it is.
Christopher P. Langlois, Esq.
Girvin & Ferlazzo, P.C.

From:
Jason Finlinson <aativyri@twcny.rr.com>
Sent:
10/25/2002 7:44:06 AM
To:
Narvin Lichfield <Narv@academyDundee.org>
Subject: stgeorge
Narvin what is happing. It sounds like you are never home. I guess that is good and bad. Doug tells me that you are going to be in
Utah next week. I'm coming out there and will be in StGeorge on the 31st and 1st of November. It would be fun to see you and set
down and have lunch or dinner. We could go over the books. I have all the info on my lab top. You are welcome to browse through
it.
Let me know your schedule and lets work something out.
Love
Butter

Secondly, we have some advice from a PR firm that advised WASPS on how to keep operating without being sued too much.
Somehow, they didn't listen.

Spoiler: OCR of PR firm recommendations

WWASPS Recommendations -- DRAFT
After talking to a handful of WWASPS graduates, parents and reporters who have covered
WWASPS, it became apparent that although the actual program is largely effective in turning
these teenager's lives around, there are overriding elements that need to be modified. Listed
below are several suggestions that could greatly aid the WWASPS organization in its
implementation of the program and guarding against future backlash by disgruntled families and
graduates, and the ensuing media frenzy.
1) Develop Methods For Evaluating Students' Suitability for WWASPS Programs
Screen Out More Unsuitable Students
WWASP schools should be more forthcoming in their rejection of normal kids or students with
extreme cases of mental illness. While the latter may be relatively easy to spot, "normal" kids
are more difficult to ascertain.
Develop a Fast Track for Kids Who Appear "Normal"
Again, this program could only be for very few students who demonstrate a very cooperative
attitude from the very beginning of the program. However, it would be an excellent public
perception tool and one that may satisfy members of the media who are convinced that some kids
are victims of their parents and shouldn't have been sent to a WWASPS school.
Establish an age minimum
An age minimum should be established to weed out kids who may be too young for the program.
Our recommendation is to set this age minimum at 14 (except for schools established especially
for students this age). Several graduates noted that younger children are not able to handle the
rigors of WWASPS programs, both physically and mentally. Children under 14-years old are
EXHIBIT
A

This board would initiate further recommendations for change and open up the WWASPS
program for critique by advocates. Although a WWASPS representative may sit on the board, it
is recommended that the group be composed primarily of people outside of the WWASPS
organization, which will lead to a more realistic and poignant perspective of the program.
Both the policing body and the advisory board should be introduced and listed in all of
WWASPS' marketing and informational materials.
5) Marketing that acknowledges tough approach:
WWASPS' marketing communications should make clear that very specific and rigorous
behavioral and attitude changes are expected if a student is to move up and graduate from the
program. Many of the complaints against WWASPS come from parents who feel that the
program's marketing communications depicted an inaccurate impression of what the program is
really like.
Currently, WWASPS marketing materials usually begin with parent testimonials. These are very
powerful, speak directly to WWASPS' target market, and should be retained. Unfortunately, such
testimony is often is followed by images of students playing basketball or swimming. We believe
that WWASPS' marketing of the students' experience should more accurately reflect the actual
experience of most students, especially in the early stages of the program.
For example, parents and students should be made aware that students will arrive at a WWASPS-
related institution at Level 1, which means that they must earn their way to Levels 5 and 6 in
order to enjoy recreational privileges. Students who fail to meet objectively-defined criteria will
stay at levels 1 and 2, and that, at these levels, punishments can include restraint by staff, and
time spent in isolation. Parents and students also should know from the beginning that students at
higher levels who break the rules can be quickly demoted to a lower level, including all the way
back down to Level 1.

still in a growing stage and often cognitively under developed as compared to their older
counterparts in the WWASPS schools.
Students under the age of 14 most likely do not understand the ramifications of the schools and
do not need to be exposed to such a strict regimen. Furthermore, these children are too young to
have their parents already reverting to the "last resort." Their parents should continue working
with their children before jumping the gun in diagnosing their child's case as hopeless and
needing the help of WWASPS. There will be plenty of time for WWASPS, if necessary, after the
child turns 13.
2) Staff oversight by WWASPS:
Staff training and standards of conduct
Conversations with past graduates have revealed a need for improved staff oversight. WWASPS-
produced training sessions and accompanying manuals are necessary to fundamentally get
everyone on the same page. While these may be in place already (again, we do not know) the
fact that they exist must be placed to the front of any marketing/admission literature. A
WWASP-produced training and staff procedure manual could also be produced to reporters
when requested.
Consequently, this will reduce accusations of abuse, as WWASPS rules and regulations are
clearly delineated. Because supervision is both expensive and tedious, educating staff on key
WWASPS policies would help establish a uniform front. Staff will know what is tolerated
WWASPS-wide and what actions may be considered "crossing the line." A few graduates we
spoke to felt that they were punished for no reason. Make it clear to staff that they can use
restraint when kids are a harm to themselves or others-not for a personal reason or vendetta.
Clearly written punishment criteria


The hierarchy of punishment categories and the criteria that determines each category should be
explained to students, and especially staff, more clearly. This approach would greatly reduce the
use of discretionary punishment - a distinct complaint among graduates.
Obviously, due to the nature of the program, much of the determination in issuing so-called
"CATs" is subjective to the staff. However, if these criteria were clearly set forth in independent
reference materials, such as a handbook, students would have a clearly idea what is expected of
them. Of course, some students will always try to test the limits, and they rightly should endure
swift disciplinary action by staff. With a clearly-defined, WWASPS-wide set of punishment
criteria, those actions would not appear to come from the whim of a staff member, but rather
from objective rules that everybody has been made aware of.
3) WWASPS as Policing Body
WWASPS should function as a "policing" vehicle for its affiliated schools. A person or body
established by WWASPS, but independent of its management team, should look into charges of
misconduct at WWASPS-affiliated schools. The costs of any investigation should be charged to
the school, which would act as an incentive for them to clean up their act. In essence, if
WWASPS wishes to be seen as independent, it needs to act this way.
The methodology for investigating complaints of this nature should also be clearly enunciated in
marketing/admissions materials.
4) Advisory board:
A national advisory board should be created that is composed of graduates, parents of graduates
and fully independent experts. This body would advise WWASPS on problems of a more
systemic nature (not pertaining to the management of one school) and ways to improve the
WWASPS system

By actively disclosing more information about the expectations and consequences of the early
levels,. WWASPS will diffuse the surprise shock that some parents and students feel when their
children endure consistent punishment or fail to move up in the program. Promotional videos
that portray WWASPS in a more focused light will weed out parents who might not want to send
their children to such a stringent program. This is a good thing, because WWASPS will be able
to avoid much of the knee-jerk animosity of parents and students. We find that the parents who
believe the program was misleadingly sold are the ones who most often file lawsuits or actively
denounce the WWASPS program.
6) Reference discounts:
A large part of WWASPS marketing tactics involves word-of-mouth references. Those who
referred another family receive one free month of tuition for their own teen. This practice,
although financially valuable to the parent, does not bode well for public perception purposes.
WWASPS should take steps to make the candidacy of new students for the program a more
objective, systemized process. Our advice is to examine the referral approach for ways to make it
more criteria-based and objective, and make changes if the fiscal consequences aren't hugely
damaging.
7) "The Hobbit"
Conditions in Spring Creek Lodge's Special Needs, or "the Hobbit" as graduates refer to it, need
to be changed. We understand this isolation room is used as a form of punishment for students
who are acting out, however, the conditions must be more humane. Graduates describe the room
as a small hut without heat or air conditioning, where residents are allowed to shower every four
days. Bathroom needs are taken care of in a port-o-potty outside the huts, which both male and
female students use. Several students described these outhouses as completely vile, with
excrement, urine and other bodily fluids caking the walls.


In addition, while regular students receive three meals per day, those residing in the Hobbit only
receive a banana, tortilla and undercooked beans. For health and sanitation reasons, this
environment must be altered to allow for changes in the weather and guard against illness
contracted while in the Hobbit.
Therapy
For appearance purposes, additional therapy outlets need to be created. Currently, Dr. Chapuis'
practice is the sole provider of counseling and therapy services for the schools. Although he has
certainly helped several students, from an outside perspective, it appears as through Chapuis and
WWASPS are in cahoots, meaning that each party "scratches each other's back," if you will. To
make the schools and techniques used appear more credible and effective other therapy groups
need to be engaged..
Family management
From an outside perspective, it appears unprofessional to have WWASPS' leadership network be
comprised of family members. Regardless of their qualification, or lack thereof, having relatives
manage the schools just presents a poor image. Nepotism is never a good thing when it comes to
public perception.
In future, family members of current WWASPS-related entities should not be allowed into
management level positions at WWASPS schools or related businesses.
9) Sales Commissions
Although the sales company involved with recruiting students is not directly affiliated with
WWASPS, the connection between the salespeople's commission-based salary and new students
presents many perception issues. The sales force, hoping to make more money, probably admit
inappropriate students, who should not be there in the first place (see suggestion #1). To curtail

 

[Midwit]

What I'm getting at is that this shit in this thread was sounding familiar to me because of how commonplace these kinds of stories are told in manga and visual novels (the Higurashi creator made another series involving a hellish school that came off as really edgy). Think this was also showcased in historical prestige academy British literature, too, but I don't remember the disciplines ever being torturous in nature.

On the British angle that originates from that facet of the education system being founded on similar principles to the Spartan model, very much in the mold of "hard times creates strong men" but the schools were made with the express purpose of actually giving their students a comprehensive classical education and not just torturing them under the guise of a correctional facility. I can't speak for Japan, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of it stems from the pressure put upon students for academic success and the effect it would have on the less academically inclined, which would likely include a large number of mangakas since many creative types aren't particularly book smart.

 

[doodoocaca]

Don't lose sight of the fact that we can trace the roots of the industry to the humiliation and attack based, breakdowns-are-breakthroughs Synanon Cult and "drugs and bondage torture" based in-patient psychiatric ""treatment"". WWASPS basically sprang forth out of Provo Canyon, and I believe Brightway, the first or one of the first WWASPS programs, was just another psych hospital for kids.

There's something much deeper here than just a particular historic expression of "make good drones for the state." It's something about human nature to abuse those of lower status and helplessness into being slaves to you. Something that disgusts me.

 

[doodoocaca]

Not sure why I took until now to stumble on it, here's Narv and ol' R-Money.

https://preservetube.com/watch?v=GBR1MNt32vc

 

[Sprate Header]

How do you backup YouTube without using archive.org again?

(https://preservetube.com/)

And here's the link for that video: (https://preservetube.com/watch?v=GBR1MNt32vc)

Also, it's recommended to at least attempt downloading a copy of the video and uploading it directly to the site.

 

[HerrKlicks]

I remember reading about this probably over 12 or so years ago on a forum I forgot the exact name of. Anti WWASP or something. It's absolutely batshit insane that there's parents that go along with this. Makes my skin crawl

 

[doodoocaca]

I remember reading about this probably over 12 or so years ago on a forum I forgot the exact name of. Anti WWASP or something. It's absolutely batshit insane that there's parents that go along with this. Makes my skin crawl

It's important to remember this is still ongoing and a lot of the kids in these things now are court ordered for diversion programs, committed for mental health reasons, or foster kids, In fact, I'm pretty sure that's a majority, now.

 

[doodoocaca]

IT GOT EVEN WORSE STILL

A survivor has come forward with her experiences at Tranquility Bay, and later Cross Creek Manor, detailing why she was sent away and what she endured while there. The attached PDFs will speak for themselves. Because of how fucking bad this is, even compared to what was already posted, I will let you open those if think you can handle it. I'll give a quick rundown of what to expect:

The kid's father was absent. She was so desperate to spend time with him once she found him she did drugs with him.
Her mother sent her to Tranquility Bay as a result, with a harrowing escort to a facility in Utah before her passport was cleared and she went to Jamaica, where Tranquility Bay is.
She arrived pregnant and was sent to Florida for a FORCED abortion against her will.
She was randomly given a letter in little kid writing that read "I love you and miss you mommy. Love, your baby" after she cried too much over the next holiday as a result of the abortion they forced on her.

When the first Seminar came, she was forced to dress "like a slut", junior staff (other kids) put gaudy makeup on her, and finally smeared mud on her face, body, and clothes, and put a name tag on her chest called "Dirty Dolly." In this role, Dirty Dolly was made to introduce herself as such to the entire room, and act the part, to all the hundreds of boys and girls there. Other kids who were called doormat were made to lay down on their faces and be walked on by the facilitator. If they skipped over it the facilitator screamed at them to do it again and literally walk on them.

The facilitator then literally sexually assaulted this poor young woman in front of everyone in the seminar, and even had the boys join in. She was forced to engage in dirty talk, barking like a dog, crawling around on the floor, and had her legs forcibly spread, ground upon, and so on. When she was crying too hysterically to participate she was dry humped or manhandled.

They then did lifeboat, because of fucking course they did!

Once this kid got to cross creek, she observed another girl forced to not change her underwear for a month complete with the therapist who came up with the idea checking her fucking underwear every time she came in for therapy.

Tranquility Bay was owned by Ken Kay's son, Jay Kay. May every abuser rot in a particularly hot part of hell.