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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced they will step back as "senior" royals and work to become financially independent.

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In a statement, Prince Harry and Meghan also said they plan to split their time between the UK and North America.

The BBC understands no other royal - including the Queen or Prince William - was consulted before the statement and Buckingham Palace is "disappointed".

Senior royals are understood to be "hurt" by the announcement.

In their unexpected statement on Wednesday, also posted on their Instagram page, the couple said they made the decision "after many months of reflection and internal discussions".

"We intend to step back as 'senior' members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen."

They said they plan to balance their time between the UK and North America while "continuing to honour our duty to the Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages".

"This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity."

A Buckingham Palace spokeswoman said discussions with the duke and duchess on their decision to step back were "at an early stage", adding: "We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through."

The couple's announcement on Wednesday comes two months after the Duke of York withdrew from public life after a BBC interview about his ties to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who killed himself in August.

 
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Prince Phillip caused a variety of minor diplomatic incidents by constantly making off colour jokes.
True, but that's mainly because he was based before it was cool.
He routinely aced his naval exams, scampered up the ranks, and after the war became an instructor for the navy. Not bad for a 25 year old.
 
Bowers alleges that the Duke of Windsor abdicated for his BEARD?

Here you go, have the whole chapter. The whole book is great, highly recommended.

One day Cecil [Beaton] told me that two very important British royal visitors were due to come to town for a short stay. He said they were none other the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, both close friends of his. He confided in me that he was especially close to the duke. Now you have to remember that this couple were more famous in their day than the so-called Camelot couple, John Fitzgerald Kennedy and his bride Jacqueline Kennedy, were decades later.

In the midthirties the story of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor had taken the entire world by storm. It was the stuff of legend. It was also touted by the international press as the romance of the century. Remember that at that time the British Empire was still at its height. Enormous swathes of the earth were under British rule. Innumerable nations were British colonies within the Empire, but there were dominions and protectorates and independent countries all over the world that also owed allegiance to Britain and who regarded the British monarch as head of state. George V was their emperor and king. His wife was the beloved Queen Mary and the couple had five sons and a daughter. The eldest son would become king when his father died. Edward, the Prince of Wales, was that son.

Edward reputedly had a number of romantic flings but in June 1931, at the age of thirty-six, he attended a party at which he was introduced to a charismatic and sophisticated American socialite by the name of Wallis Simpson. As the legend goes, it was instant chemistry; love at first sight. But there was a problem. She was still married. To a second husband, no less. And, to top it off, she was American. This made the royal affair scandalous. Future kings do not have affairs with divorcées, let alone entertain notions of marrying them. His parents, the entire royal family, the government, and a large proportion of the British population were dead set against Edward’s love for Mrs. Simpson. For years the press in England, the rest of the Empire, Europe, and America kept the story of the royal romance alive.

When King George V died in 1936 it was Edward the Prince of Wales who automatically took over the duties of king and it was in that capacity that he served his nation for a full year. By then Wallis Simpson had divorced her second husband and the couple planned to marry. This generated an even greater outcry. Although he was acting monarch and referred to by his loyal subjects as Your Majesty, no coronation had yet taken place, and a man is not officially the head of state until he is crowned king. Everything was put on hold until Edward renounced his desire to marry his beloved, twice-divorced commoner and foreigner.

It was a crisis that swept the British nation like wildfire. But Edward was resolute. Said to be heartbroken that he would not be permitted to marry Wallis Simpson, he was left with few options. He reluctantly made the decision to renounce the throne. In short, to abdicate. On December 11, 1936, he broadcast an impassioned speech to the nation and Empire announcing his abdication and marital intentions. Suddenly public sympathy poured out to him but it was too late. His younger brother Albert took his place and was crowned with the name King George VI.

After his younger brother took the throne Edward himself receded into the shadows. He was given the title Duke of Windsor and he married Wallis Simpson in 1937 in a small private ceremony in France. She was bestowed with the title Duchess of Windsor but was never accorded the right to be referred to as Your Royal Highness. That was a form of address strictly reserved for Edward. Relations between the couple and the royal family were strained and difficult. Because Wallis Simpson was denied a royal title and was always regarded as an outsider, the couple moved to Paris. In 1940 Edward’s brother, the king, supported by Britain’s Prime Minister Winston Churchill, appointed him as Governor of the Bahamas, where he and Wallis spent five years. It was a relatively unimportant and low-ranking position as far as royal duties go, but Edward and his bride were happy there. In time, they also socialized with the upper classes of Paris and the French Riviera, spending their time partying, shopping, dining, and generally enjoying life.

They visited the United States many times. I cannot remember the exact year—it must have been during the late forties or early fifties—but when Cecil Beaton told me that they were going to be visiting Los Angeles and were to stay at our mutual friend Albert Brown’s home in the Pacific Palisades I looked forward to meeting the couple. Then Cecil came out with a bombshell. He told me that the Duke’s sexual inclinations leaned not only toward his beloved Wallis Simpson, but to men. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I heard that. This was the romance of the century, for crying out loud. And now I’m told that the guy is gay!

I could hardly believe it. But Cecil had more to say. He said that Edward—the duke—was a classic example of a bisexual man. He was equally drawn to the delights found in both a heterosexual and a homosexual world. According to him, the whole myth of the great royal romance was a fabrication, a giant cover-up by the royal family and the British government to conceal the truth about Edward’s sexual preferences. A king could not possibly get away with living the kind of lifestyle as that favored by Edward. It would have stifled him. Apparently Wallis Simpson shared similar bisexual urges. Because of that she was the ideal candidate to become Edward’s wife. Although she was portrayed as the great love of his life and the person behind his reason for abdicating from the British throne she was in actual fact the perfect partner to share his double life with him. He liked boys. She liked girls. Occasionally they even had sex with each other but, essentially, he was gay and she was a dyke. What better way to save face and ensure that they would have the freedom to live their lives in peace and out of the public spotlight than to marry one another?

Frankly, I cared not one iota whether they were gay, straight, or bi. And I cared even less about the controversy surrounding their marriage or, indeed, why they even married at all. What business was it of mine? And who cared a rat’s ass whether they preferred men or women outside their marriage? If that’s what made them happy, what else mattered?

One day Albert called me and invited me over to his home in the Palisades.

“They’re here, Ducks,” he said, “and they’re dying to meet you.”

On the following Saturday my aging Plymouth coughed its way up to the Pacific Palisades. A butler welcomed me at the door and showed me into the library, where Albert and two of my other British friends, actor Peter Bull and director Brian Desmond Hurst, plus a couple of other people I didn’t know, were chatting with none other than Edward the Duke of Windsor and Wallis the Duchess of Windsor. It was quite a gathering of the aristocracy. Apart from the duchess I think I was the only American there! But before I could even begin to feel out of place Albert beamed at me and called out, “Ah, here he is! Do come in, Scotty!”

The very first person to grab my hand and shake it warmly was the duke himself. I wasn’t sure what to call him. He must have sensed that because he smiled and said, “Please, call me Edward.”

“Hi Eddy,” I said. I’ve always had a habit of shortening people’s names to catchy nicknames. Why should Edward be different, ex-king or not? Fortunately, he didn’t seem the least bit offended by my informality and then introduced me to his wife, who he referred to as Wally. So that’s what I called her, too.

With the ice broken we all began to get to know one another. There were no pretentious charades or aloofness in their behavior toward me whatsoever. Edward gently pulled me aside and said, “You know, Scotty, a lot of people have told me about you, long before Wally and I came to California. Albert, Peter, Brian, and Cecil all said that I ought to look you up when we got here.”

He was referring of course to our mutual friends, his host Arthur Brown, as well as Peter Bull, Brian Desmond Hurst, and Cecil Beaton. He went on to tell me how highly they had all spoken of me to him in London and how much he had been looking forward to meeting me. It was obvious that his relationship with those four men transcended mere platonic friendship. This became patently clear less than twenty minutes later when he and I slipped into the guesthouse at the bottom end of the large garden, stripped off, and began making out. Eddy was good. Really good. He sucked me off like a pro.

I spent about an hour and a half at Albert’s place that afternoon and did not leave until Wally explained exactly what sort of young lady she wished me to send over for her. Over the next few days I would send up a nice young guy for Eddy and a pretty, dark-haired girl for Wally. Each time I sent somebody different. The royal couple enjoyed variety and, to be frank, I never told the kids I sent over what their real identities were. Besides, most of the guys and gals were too young to remember the great scandal of the thirties. In all the years when they visited California and I arranged tricks for them no one ever really knew who they were. Even though I became a very busy man in later years, I often tricked Eddy myself. We became good friends and were very attached to one another.

After I’d left the gas station and my bartending days really began in earnest, I would get to know many of the top hotel managers, restaurateurs, and chefs in town. One of them was a guy named Hathaway who, for a time, was the manager of the Beverly Hills Hotel. I once got Hathaway to set aside one of the more plush garden bungalows of the hotel for Eddy and Wally without revealing their true identities to him. While they were there it was easy for me to bring over a bunch of new young people for them. We would have a mixture of half a dozen males and females engage in a display of gay and straight sex in the bungalow and then Eddy, Wally, and I would each pair off with the one we fancied most. Eddy liked a three-way with a girl, too, now and again, and occasionally he wanted a woman only, and there were indeed occasions when he got involved in a three-way with Wally and another woman. But his preference was definitely for the boys.

There was an extremely good-looking, well-groomed fellow who loved to take it in the “back door,” meaning, of course, that he was the passive partner, or the bottom, in anal intercourse. Edward was particularly fond of giving it to him that way while slowly sucking on my dick. That invariably ended up in an orgiastic eruption by the three of us at the same time. Eddy was a gentle lover. In fact, he was a gentleman through and through. He was considerate, very thoughtful of all his partners’ physical and emotional needs, and he was a damn good lover. He was a well-mannered, kind-hearted, and very decent man.

Eddy and Wally had spent some time in the Greek Islands after they got married. They loved the Aegean and the freedom it offered them. One day while they were in L.A. a rather unusual coincidence occurred. A good friend of mine, a set decorator by the name of John Austin, had been over to Mykonos on location for a movie and had brought back an extremely good-looking nineteen-year-old Greek boy by the name of Damien. John’s intention was to have him here for a few months as a boy toy and then send him back home to Mykonos. He took the guy with him to many parties just to show off his great looks and physique and perhaps to foster a little envy among his friends. He also spread the word around that he would be grateful if anyone could find some part-time photographic modeling or film work for his young Adonis, to help him make a few bucks while he was out here. He called me about this one day and confidentially told me that even though the boy offered him great sex the kid was actually straight. In fact, he had a gorgeous dark-haired, brown-eyed Grecian goddess of a girlfriend back home. I tried to do what I could to help Damien earn a bit of money by arranging tricks for him with various men and women around town. He obliged them all and was grateful for the generous tip each of them provided.

One day while I was driving him from the gas station to a trick at someone’s house he was telling me about his life back home in Greece. In his broken, heavily accented English he told me that he had met Edward and Wally during one of their trips to Mykonos. He said he knew that Edward was supposed to have been the king of England but that he had changed his mind in order to run away with the woman that he married. Oddly enough, Damien told me, both Edward and Wally preferred people of their own sex. He admitted that he would bring his girlfriend over to keep Wally happy while he and Eddy got up to mischief together. I told Damien that the couple were in town and asked him if he would like to see them. He was very keen to renew his friendship with them so one evening I surprised Eddy by walking into Albert’s guesthouse with Damien at my side. I thought Eddy was going to wet his pants with the sheer joy and excitement of seeing his handsome young Greek lover again. I had seldom seen such unbridled happiness. It was wonderful. However, I don’t recall whether they spent anymore time together or whether Eddy and Damien even became sexually involved again.

Wally always behaved like a perfect lady. In public she was consistently sweet, charming, and exceptionally feminine. Unless I was personally involved in a three-way with her I never observed her alone with a woman but from what I could tell she was very much at ease letting her hair down and being completely relaxed. She was not in any way inhibited. She was very fond of dark-haired women, usually those with hair color similar to her own. Often I asked her if there was anything or anyone special that she needed and she would just smile, tilt her head slightly, and, with a twinkle in her eye, say, “Scotty, I totally trust you. You bring along whomever you please. I know she’ll be fine.”

During threesomes, and certainly when she had sex with Eddy, she was fine with men but, like her husband, she definitely preferred homosexual sex. I brought a slim, trim little number over to her at Albert’s guest cottage one evening and when I returned later to take the young lady home she enthusiastically told me that she had never had such incredible sex in all her life. She couldn’t even remember how many times she had had an orgasm that night. Wally really knew what she was doing. She did it in style and with intense passion. As I said, I never told any of the girls I fixed her up with who she really was, and none of them ever found out her true identity.
 
There’s a difference between being an intellectual and being canny, smart, common sense kind of smart. People do t need college degrees to be smart like that. Frankly, you do better in life with the common sense and grit kind of smarts than the endless PhD kind of smart.
Philip was underrated. He was a canny bloke and was allegedly much more shrewd and diplomatic behind the scenes. Liz was sharp to the day she died, I dont think much got past her. Intellectual or no, she was a good judge of human character and got through an entire reign with never a foot wrong (maybe aberfan..) I dot think Anne is an intellectual but she’s got the common sense for sure. Edward isn’t the smartest but his wife has reined him in and he’s doing ok. Andrew is a venal idiot.
Charles is a man who knows a lot about the things he likes.
William I can’t fault, he seems alright. Not an intellectual definitely but not dim either. I doubt anyone who is thick as a brick gets to fly helicopters around. Kate is shrewd, clearly devoted to the role. Both of them seem to have their heads screwed on right.
Harry. Well Harry is dim. He’s dim intellectually and he’s not got a lot of common sense either which is a bad combination. I’m amazed they don’t have specific wranglers for him.
If things had been different and Diana was still around she'd probably have made sure to set Harry up with some harmless posh totty
He had a series of posh totty like Chelsea Davies before he went off the rails. None of them seemed to want to stick around. If you’re rich, connected and nice looking you can land yourself a billionaire these days. Why would you settle for a petulant child, even if he is royalty? Diana would probably have found him some nice but dim posh totty and he’d have been fine swanning around on safari and doing charidee work.
Elizabeth the first spoke and read six languages fluently and enjoyed translating between them as relaxation. She also studied logic, geometry, history, rhetoric, maths, grammar and theology.
 
I can't be the only person who thinks this whole Kate drama feels incredibly inorganic? I know there are royal watchers, and autists like us at the Farms, but that doesn’t get this kind of traction for what is basically a "choose your own conspiracy".

She had surgery of some sort, probably feels like shit and looks like a ghoul, and is recovering. Like incredibly basic, nothing-burger stuff. Why is this so huge - and not in the "her der stupid people caring about stupid stuff" dismissive way, but in a genuine "what mechanisms are behind this blowing up" way.

So, since it's speculation all around:

  1. Megan figured out how to get twitter bots purchased, and just wants people thinking her rival smells like literal shit.
  2. Russian propaganda, obviously- those chaos agents rule the internet from the shadows
  3. Distraction from obviously dying Charles
  4. After years, Kate finally discovered the zipper on the skin suit, and William had to replace her to prevent her from revealing the Reptilians.
  5. Angry tranny of color with a knife stabbed Kate at an event, and it was covered up to protect the maniac of many minority statuses.
 
I can't be the only person who thinks this whole Kate drama feels incredibly inorganic?
Like I said, it's the media trying to gin up drama, to try and create another Diana moment, and a bunch of fanfic writers joining in, with a side of MEghan releasing bits of "anonymous" gossip in some sort of petty revenge attempt.
 
I can't be the only person who thinks this whole Kate drama feels incredibly inorganic?
It does beg the question "what aren't they reporting on?"
I doubt anyone who is thick as a brick gets to fly helicopters around.
Harry. Well Harry is dim. He’s dim intellectually and he’s not got a lot of common sense either which is a bad combination.
Didn't Harry fly helicopters?
 
Like I said, it's the media trying to gin up drama, to try and create another Diana moment, and a bunch of fanfic writers joining in, with a side of MEghan releasing bits of "anonymous" gossip in some sort of petty revenge attempt.
I think part of it is also that it seems the USA media is on it a lot more, them smelling a chance to get some of the royalwatcher clicks since the UK media isn't covering it, so that drags it into the burgersphere pop consciousness in ways the royal family usually doesn't show up
 
Harry. Well Harry is dim. He’s dim intellectually and he’s not got a lot of common sense either which is a bad combination. I’m amazed they don’t have specific wranglers for him.
From his book it sounds like they did, some guy called "Marko" who was always there and put up with even his most absurd flights of retardation.
 
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