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[TOTAL NIGGER DEATH]

Has anyone tried to actually break down the stereotypical Shonen hero? Because, I feel like a lot of their traits and attitudes are fatalistic, if not, nihilistic.

I would recommend this great video essay about the subject.

 

[Gorillion others]

I would recommend this great video essay about the subject.
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I'm serious. It's like...it's like they preach this "none of it matters in the end" tripe and all I really have to say to that is, yes, a lot of shit does matter. It's mostly a "forgiveness" lesson, but it gets to a point that they might as well just outright say "so? we're all gonna die some day, so how is killing the guy who basically did every evil thing possible and might do so again gonna fix anything?"

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I stand by the idea that the Four Devas is probably the greatest arc in anime history. The only thing that comes close for me is another arc in the series you'll get to eventually.

Other shows tried to do this but I think Gintama was one of the few franchises that it works because you got 200+ episodes to establish the town and its inhabitants, and there is no power escalation bullshit that makes you think "why are those characters able to tackle their opponents".

Has anyone tried to actually break down the stereotypical Shonen hero? Because, I feel like a lot of their traits and attitudes are fatalistic, if not, nihilistic.

I feel like a lot of series tried to but I can't think of anyone that did it well. Like maybe you can argue One Punch Man or Hunter X Hunter do it because the former has the shonen protagonist go into apathy from one shotting everything, while the latter has bullshit psychology in the later parts. Also Eva might count since it's mecha shonen protagonist.

Issue with this idea is that it's pointless without coming out as needlessly edgy. Like Madoka already did the "being selfless won't make you happy" and Eva did the "actual child in those circumstances would grow fucked up".

 

[Salacious Krumb]

that's why I just watch assault lily bouquet


yuri doesn't count as that, that's why it's ok.
it's just a phase mom till they get dicked straight and become a tradwife.

however another aspect that often gets misconstrued/blown out of proportion is animu girls adoring each other doesn't mean they want to shlick it.
so it's not so much romantic or even sexual, more platonic/paternal/siblings etc.
puritan burger stupidity/western degeneracy does the rest.

Wow, so they straight don't have anything close to our perception of lesbians. It's kinda weird to think that the young me that watched Symphogear and said "nah, they're just friends" was actually closer to how they see it.

 

[TOTAL NIGGER DEATH]

I'm serious. It's like...it's like they preach this "none of it matters in the end" tripe and all I really have to say to that is, yes, a lot of shit does matter. It's mostly a "forgiveness" lesson, but it gets to a point that they might as well just outright say "so? we're all gonna die some day, so how is killing the guy who basically did every evil thing possible and might do so again gonna fix anything?"

Are you talking about Kimetsu no Yaiba? One piece for example doesn't have this problem. Luffy doesn't forgive the shit evil people do in the series. If anything it adds to the hype of the final fight of the arc where Luffy bests the shit out of the bad guy and doesn't feel the slightest remorse about it.

 

[Gorillion others]

Are you talking about Kimetsu no Yaiba? One piece for example doesn't have this problem. Luffy doesn't forgive the shit evil people do in the series. If anything it adds to the hype of the final fight of the arc where Luffy bests the shit out of the bad guy and doesn't feel the slightest remorse about it.

There's also that ninja shit, too.

 

[ZMOT]

Wow, so they straight don't have anything close to our perception of lesbians. It's kinda weird to think that the young me that watched Symphogear and said "nah, they're just friends" was actually closer to how they see it.

depends, it's important to remember fiction != reality. what some otaku enjoys is not necessarily a good reflection of society at large (although there's plenty discussion how art is downstream from that asf ). just think how your culture is depicted in media (even when it's not actively pozzed). or the opposite where people are too retarded for it with "oh you like X? THAT MEANS YOU WANT TO FUCK IT!! or fuck each other whatever - dude it's 2 girls hugging and caring about each other, calm the fuck down...

otoh in other cases they know exactly what they're doing, but again that's just fiction and tropes (or comedy).

 

[FatMebius]

Someone made video criticizing Discotek Media.who has a lot more issues then just JelloApocalypse apparently.

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I've been bitching about Teyandee's subs for years now. But, they are by and far Discotek's worst subs. To somewhat play devil's advocate, I think the subs might have been provided by Tatsunoko themselves. It's not uncommon to see that with some smaller weaboo publishing companies in the West. Because Discotek's subtitles generally turn out okay. They even kept in all the JQ stuff in Angel Cop.

Still, all of Discotek's employees are giant homos and their opinions often suck.

 

[Salacious Krumb]

depends, it's important to remember fiction != reality. what some otaku enjoys is not necessarily a good reflection of society at large (although there's plenty discussion how art is downstream from that asf ). just think how your culture is depicted in media (even when it's not actively pozzed). or the opposite where people are too retarded for it with "oh you like X? THAT MEANS YOU WANT TO FUCK IT!! or fuck each other whatever - dude it's 2 girls hugging and caring about each other, calm the fuck down...

otoh in other cases they know exactly what they're doing, but again that's just fiction and tropes (or comedy).

Thanks, I think I get it now. For the most part they don't see it the same way, but there are subcultures that see it exactly as we do and like it. That makes a lot of sense, obviously the Japanese wouldn't be a monolith on the issue. Sometimes it's nothing, sometimes it's the end of Kill la Kill and they decide "fuck it, we're doing this now"

 

[BananaSplit²]

Wow, so they straight don't have anything close to our perception of lesbians. It's kinda weird to think that the young me that watched Symphogear and said "nah, they're just friends" was actually closer to how they see it.

It's basically an "aesthetic" with a focus on women and the relationship between them, hence "the garden of flowers/lilies" I mentioned previously (yuri - 百合 literally means lily).
Yuri can be romantic or platonic (pic examples below are the latter), even as a mere fleeting moment portrayed in a story. But at the end of the day and just like the other forms of media, what should be remembered firstmost: it's nothing more than a fantasy. A fiction.

The current crop of terminally online narcissists on the western side of Internet makes pretty hard to discuss that kind of topic and ruins the fun as of result. Probably doesn't help the translation scene of this genre is full of the usual suspects too (there was a funny drama over an anthology).

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Lesbians are seen as immature in Japan and are expected to "graduate" to getting a man, marrying him, and having kids. The purity aspect of yuri is just for the aesthetics and to appeal to the otaku who don't want their bishoujos defiled.

Kunihiko Ikuhara is open about his fascination with lesbians, whether that's a creepy fetish or not, though I don't know if he's ever properly explained why he uses them for character studies.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Kunihiko Ikuhara is open about his fascination with lesbians,

Do you know what else he is fascinated with?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Do you know what else he is fascinated with?

Messing with the concept of magical transformations, yes.

 

[Salacious Krumb]

It's basically an "aesthetic" with a focus on women and the relationship between them, hence "the garden of flowers/lilies" I mentioned previously (yuri - 百合 literally means lily).
Yuri can be romantic or platonic (pic examples below are the latter), even as a mere fleeting moment portrayed in a story. But at the end of the day and just like the other forms of media, what should be remembered firstmost: it's nothing more than a fantasy. A fiction.

The current crop of terminally online narcissists on the western side of Internet makes pretty hard to discuss that kind of topic and ruins the fun as of result. Probably doesn't help the translation scene of this genre is full of the usual suspects too (there was a funny drama over an anthology).

That was Yuri? That was just a good friendship! (Insert Patchythepirate.png)
But seriously, you've cleared up a lot of confusion for me. You're right about degenerates on the Internet, I certainly wasn't going to get any information this helpful on Reddit. Actually, I think most of them think Yuri is only romantic too. I've heard about translation issues too, but I don't know anything specific, what's been happening with that?

Lesbians are seen as immature in Japan and are expected to "graduate" to getting a man, marrying him, and having kids. The purity aspect of yuri is just for the aesthetics and to appeal to the otaku who don't want their bishoujos defiled.

Kunihiko Ikuhara is open about his fascination with lesbians, whether that's a creepy fetish or not, though I don't know if he's ever properly explained why he uses them for character studies.

I'd actually heard about this, that being a lesbian is seen as a phase some girls go through. I couldn't get much more information though, since this was on Reddit and was being used as an example of how regressive Japan can be.

 

[Mysterious Girlfriend X]

Do you know what else he is fascinated with?

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

Ikuhara is friends with Hideaki Anno, wonder if they made a movie or series together, how would it turn out?

 

[BananaSplit²]

The purity aspect of yuri is just for the aesthetics and to appeal to the otaku who don't want their bishoujos defiled. Kunihiko Ikuhara is open about his fascination with lesbians, whether that's a creepy fetish or not, though I don't know if he's ever properly explained why he uses them for character studies.

You'd be surprised how many Japanese women actually enjoy and create this stuff (since it's about female dynamics + cute/drama after all). Just to throw a few female author's names:

Nakatani Nio (Yagate Kimi ni Naru - Bloom Into You)
Yuino Chiri (Okiku-san wa Ichatsukitai)
Nauchi (Yukidoke to Agapanthus)
Konbu Wakame (Sekai de Ichiban Oppai ga Suki)
Oku Tamamushi (Cheerful Amnesia)
Canno (A Kiss and a White Lily for Her)
Tama Tamasaki (A Love Letter for the Marching Puppy)
Hashiba Minori (Alcohol and Ogre-girls)
Neji (Lonely Monster and the Blind Girl)
Takemiya Jin (Itoshi Koishi)
Inui Ayu (Under One Roof Today)

A lot of professional artists also have pen names in order to stay anonymous although I assume their true identities are present somewhere in the national public database ever since that recent Japanese tax law now in effect (more precisely the new qualified invoice system that seems more convenient for corporations and firms, including publishing houses, at the risk of individual privacy).

I've heard about translation issues too, but I don't know anything specific, what's been happening with that?

Spoiler: Japanese J.K. Rowling

The drama I did mention was a Yukiko's one-shot called "How She and I got close" (from a serialized anthology), initially translated and uploaded to Dynasty-scans. In the story, the MC agrees to meet a girl who actually turns out to be a creepy cross-dressing dude, and she's subsequently saved by the gyaru heroine. It hits too close to home for the trannies who took it as a personal attack and they cried about it. The mods removed the manga because "the message it contains does not reflect the views of Dynasty" and locked up the discussion thread.



Dynasty-scans being a shit website run by fags was well-known so it wasn't surprising, but it remains funny how ass-blasted they got over an innocent little story.
The discussion thread on Mangadex isn't much better and I can sorta see why some kiwi users have issues with yuri as the well is poisoned by the alphabet freaks in the English-speaking sphere.

The Japanese author is a woman too btw.

It's why I prefer directly lurking JP communities and buying my mangas in moonrunes instead.
Speaking of that, I got the full serie of Thermae Romae discounted at ~500 yen from Amazon JP (in digital Kindle format though, doesn't rape my wallet with shipping + custom fees)

 

[Gorillion others]

Thermae Romae

The sequel is out now.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

I've been bitching about Teyandee's subs for years now. But, they are by and far Discotek's worst subs. To somewhat play devil's advocate, I think the subs might have been provided by Tatsunoko themselves. It's not uncommon to see that with some smaller weaboo publishing companies in the West. Because Discotek's subtitles generally turn out okay. They even kept in all the JQ stuff in Angel Cop.

Still, all of Discotek's employees are giant homos and their opinions often suck.

You think they'll censor Berserk's outtakes? You get to hear Goku call someone a fag.

 

[FatMebius]

You think they'll censor Berserk's outtakes? You get to hear Goku call someone a fag.

I dunno. I know they malded about Cromartie High's dub being "problematic" because Kamiyama and Hayashida call Mechazawa's classmates a bunch of fags. But, they said they wouldn't censor it.