Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

I've read this critical post about the election on the last remaining decent subreddit. How valid is his concerns about how Strelkov was treated and the policy of squashing potential rivals to Putin.
What is there to elaborate upon? The power in the country belongs solely to the glowies and the Glowie-in-Chief, and has belonged to them for some time. Real opposition does not exist. The """communist""" party is a bunch of fat, content geriatrics marching in lockstep with United Russia on every single issue. The government is deathly afraid of the people uniting - around anyone, for any reason - that any notable non-establishment figure gets jail sentences in show trials. Criticizing the current conflict in any way gets you prison sentences, often worse than a murderer would get. The only freedom that I personally have is the freedom to jack off and talk about anime and video games on reddit anonymously. But I assume you want some specifics - some specific example of how does russian democracy work. Let's get into specifics.

This sub doesn't like Navalny, so let's not talk about Navalny. Let's talk about Strelkov (real name Girkin). Strelkov is (was) a soldier and a glowie. He was heavily involved in the 2014 events in Ukraine and according to my (and his own) opinion, he's the man most responsible for why things went a lot further than Crimea. He's quite a fascinating character, read up on him if there are any english sources that go beyond that whole plane situation, whatever happened there. Once upon a time, his approval ratings were higher than Putin's own in the official polls. Anyway, due to lack of support from the powers that be, Strelkov had to give up ground, then after some time, leave the region altogether. As years went on, he started losing relevance, and went from the most popular man in Russia to holding one-man protests.

It all changed when the conflict was reignited in 2022. Strelkov, formerly a military leader, became a military blogger - initially he was supportive of the state and its methods, but as things began dragging out, he started becoming increasingly critical - of the generals he decried as incompetent, of the minister of defense and, unthinkably, even of the Commander-in-Chief. It's important to note that Strelkov didn't disapprove of the special operation itself - he believed, and still does, that Ukraine's existence is a ticking time bomb that will destroy Russia, and that it must be reabsorbed as quickly as possible, whatever the cost. No, he had issues only with how things were done.

Strelkov, once again relevant and popular, kept railing against those he viewed responsible, until he decided that the time of blogging is done, and now is the time for action. He began forming his own political party that he called "Club of the Angry Patriots". They were talking about the coming collapse of Russia, unless the things changed on the front lines, about the dark times, that change was necessary.

...and then he got arrested, stood trial and received a prison sentence. What for? Well, Strelkov made a blog post about one of the regiment on the front lines not receiving any pay that was stipulated in their contracts. He said that the "firing squad [for the officials responsible] would not be enough". The prosecutors decided (or were told to decide...) that it was not empty rhetorics, but instead "calls for extremism", and soon enough he was in a jail cell. His fledging party didn't live long after that - although he did try for a presidential bid, probably thinking that they'd be forced to let him go. But that didn't last long either. Whatever happens next, I don't think he'll ever see the outside of a prison cell again. Four years is just a start - once you're in prison, there's plenty of time for new trials. Navalny has shown that.

In the end, Strelkov's former service didn't matter, his historic involvement in Ukraine didn't matter, and him ideologically and fervently supporting the whole thing didn't matter. He got political, and that was the end of him. Regardless of whether or not you support him, what he did (and he did a lot) or his views - does this sound democratic to you?

I know this thread isn't for criticising Russia, but you all know far more about the real Russia than the NAFO thread.
On a more light-hearted note, the sulky liver sausage is sulking.
The Germans don't even hestitate to call Xi Jinping president despite being effectively a dictator with all power now concentrated on him and his lackies.
Zelensky is essentially an unelected dictator at this point who banned elections because war
Zelensky claimed he'd end the aggression towards Donbass and many trusted him because of his Russophone background.
Being elected on such lies is tantamount to being unelected.
Machine tools last for a very long time, and we can assume Russia bought enough for their needs pre sanctions. Spare parts and the occasional new tool is something that can be imported through third countries. (And sure: Paying a premium.)
Yes, I now see the logic of Russia building up instead of immediately invading post-Maidan.
 
What is there to elaborate upon? The power in the country belongs solely to the glowies and the Glowie-in-Chief, and has belonged to them for some time. Real opposition does not exist. The """communist""" party is a bunch of fat, content geriatrics marching in lockstep with United Russia on every single issue. The government is deathly afraid of the people uniting - around anyone, for any reason - that any notable non-establishment figure gets jail sentences in show trials. Criticizing the current conflict in any way gets you prison sentences, often worse than a murderer would get.
You could change that single "Russia" to "US" and it would still fit perfectly.
 
The Armata program closed

What are you on about ?

As far as machine tools. In the long run. it will bite unless substitute with Chinees offers. But surprisingly there is a surge in machine tool production from previous R&D (thanks to Medvedev in part) in verity of stages, Now revived or accelerated.

Recent one of examples this year they developed series of five-axis laser machines with machine vision for high-precision processing of parts, complex contour cutting and welding

Then there is 3D printers, For at least printing in metal (including titanium) pretty much they took the ball and ran away with it.

They once again are building worlds biggest EBW chambers.
 
You could change that single "Russia" to "US" and it would still fit perfectly.
True, the US in its current state reminds me of the late stage Roman Empire and some aspects of the last two decades of the USSR. The parallels are there if you know where to look.
 
"Why die for Ukraine?"

- Famous anti-war slogan, United States, 2024.
"That's what true patriots do, die for my retirement stocks my laundered foreign money my Cold War Boomercon ego democracy! You fucking Vatnik!" - U.S. Congressmen and/or 60+ milvet boomers.
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Idk if that quote sounds legit. Kinda makes this seem like a fake. Anyone know anything about this?
The fuck? What, were these things flying out of Cuba or something?
 
Doubt.

The Armata program closed for different reasons, namely the price compared to what you get.
Nah, they legitimately had an empty factory with basically no machinery for it as they were looking to spin it up - All the ones they'd built up to that point were shop works, not production line vehicles. They were negotiating to get the various suppliers and equipment onboard when sanctions hit, and were faced with replacing literally hundreds of suppliers. It was a serious blow to the viability of the program, and a major factor in its death.

There isn't really an "Off the shelf" machinery for this shit - The consumables in so far as the bits and the like might be semi-standard, but the entire rest of the apparatus is pretty close to custom built for purpose these days. And a lot of countries are limited in their ability to make larger bespoke machines, since its so expensive and technically oriented. It was just easier to import them, right up until it wasn't.

The fuck? What, were these things flying out of Cuba or something?
Nah they launched from the Russian Moon Base.

I personally can't find shit on them, but I did find this while looking, made me laugh
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Just some AI video channel bullshit, still farmed 70k views from people huffing pure copium I guess.
 
I personally can't find shit on them, but I did find this while looking, made me laugh
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Just some AI video channel bullshit, still farmed 70k views from people huffing pure copium I guess.
I remember that shit from the first year of the war, when YouTube was promoting these DCS videos and they were getting millions of fucking views.
 
True, the US in its current state reminds me of the late stage Roman Empire and some aspects of the last two decades of the USSR. The parallels are there if you know where to look.
Late stage roman Republic.

Although I guess the migrant invasion, degeneracy, puppet emperor visa president, and corrupt military organization visa cia are very.... similar.
 
France is building barracks and other buildings (like hospitals) in Romania to house and maintain atleast 10,000 troops. Do you think France (and maybe Poland) will enter the war openly or is this just a bluff?

Personally, I think if NATO goes all in then I think the Russians will just ramp up production and who knows, maybe if things get desperate for Russia, I believe they will be forced to announce a 2nd wave of conscription.
 
France is building barracks and other buildings (like hospitals) in Romania to house and maintain atleast 10,000 troops. Do you think France (and maybe Poland) will enter the war openly or is this just a bluff?
Bluff, they can parade all they want behind the fence, until they jump it, its all barking
 
France is building barracks and other buildings (like hospitals) in Romania to house and maintain atleast 10,000 troops. Do you think France (and maybe Poland) will enter the war openly or is this just a bluff?

Personally, I think if NATO goes all in then I think the Russians will just ramp up production and who knows, maybe if things get desperate for Russia, I believe they will be forced to announce a 2nd wave of conscription.
There are hundreds of thousands of troops on both the Russian and Ukrainian sides presently on the frontline. Anything short of 100k troops would accomplish next to nothing but play extended defense if France marched them into Ukraine. Even then, with what weapons is France going to fight a protracted war against Russia? This is all for show so they can pretend that NATO isn't just the US and a gaggle of smurfs in a trenchcoat. This is the country that had to ask the US for help in turning Libya into a lawless slave state. Personally, I want to see the French join the war and finally put the nail in their sad little country's foreign ambitions.

Well, that is unless France has plans to turn loose their Muslim hordes upon Ukraine. Arm up those couple million Algerians with baguettes and march them at the Russian army. No matter the outcome, France can only win.
 
Well, that is unless France has plans to turn loose their Muslim hordes upon Ukraine. Arm up those couple million Algerians with baguettes and march them at the Russian army. No matter the outcome, France can only win.
The only thing arming the muslim hordes would do is kick off a civil war in France. So I hope they do it.
 
How valid is his concerns about how Strelkov was treated and the policy of squashing potential rivals to Putin.
Honestly i think they shot themselves in the foot for ramping up censorship and making criticism of the state a punishable offense . They should have instead let open wild west internet and let their intelligence run ops like fbi and cia running ops and pushing opinions via bots on Facebook and other social media sites. Then style themselves as freer than Europe and USA and just ran the headlines about arresting middle schoolers for saying nigger and putting someone in prison over stickers that had nothing against the law in them . Now they have to make these videos advertising to try and convince whatever is left from their milenial male population to stay




Gotta admit the end of it was hilarious. But the reality is they are losing productive population and this looks desperate.

Edit: Forgot to add , people love to bitch about shit its their outlet you start banning that you are asking for trouble, secondly arresting college students for fucking rainbow earrings stuff that you see kids love its fucking lunacy. I do hate degenerates but this shit is retarded in my book . They should have kept it at banning NGOs and activism and books and grooming of kids but they decided to go full retard thinking that their population has forgotten about the Soviet union and its various forms of censorship and lies. This literally triggers bells in any slavic person to gtfo before the iron curtain falls.
 
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There are hundreds of thousands of troops on both the Russian and Ukrainian sides
Serious doubt if the Ukraine is making, and promoting videos like this:


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The FFL won't make a difference and given their numbers and the nature of this conflict I expect most Russian and Ukrainian legionnaires would opt out for this one.

Ukraine can't conscript then train and outfit soldiers in the amount and time that would pose a challenge to Russia. This conflict is over, and the Ukraine is in its death throes. Best thing Russia can do now is a mercy killing.
 
They should have instead let open wild west internet and let their intelligence run ops like fbi and cia running ops and pushing opinions via bots on Facebook
No money. The reason why bans and other censorship aren't being enforced aside of bare minimum is lack or resources and interest, well interested people outside of fanatics that think that if you dont live in a pod, pray, fuck wife and go to factory you should be thrown in jail. Yarovaya's law is still unenforceable because it demands ISPs and phone providers to install surveillance hardware with their own money which they can just not do, and nothing will happen to them?

If they dont have money to censor shit properly, they certainly don't have money to do it american way.
 
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