Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[cia-log]

That still doesn't make any sense.

Why go for a single digit of a percentage of the population if your goal is to get sex, rather than the cast the net wider?

The only other explanation is that they assume that lesbians or bisexual women are even easier, loser, more degenerate than straight women. And even that is only partially correct, as bed death does happen.

I do know that the KJV version of the first chapter of Romans describes sexual degeneracy as "things which are not convenient," but this is ridiculous.

Yeah I don't think it's purely a calculated move to get sex either. I still maintain that the high correlation between trans identity in men and narcissism makes me believe strongly that this is all a coping mechanism for a wounded ego stemming from sexual rejection. If it was purely a ploy to get laid they wouldn't express so much resentment towards women for being the object of desire for men.

A common defense for MTFs in women's locker rooms is the argument that if they really were just in it for a cheap thrill they'd be walking around with a visible erection, which doesn't happen (at least not always) I believe it. I believe the reason they refuse to take no for an answer when it comes to women's spaces is the same reason abusers will take the doors in their homes off their hinges so that the victim of abuse has no privacy. They have an intense anxiety about the victim gaining any control and humiliating them, wounding them, so they don't allow the victim any chances. Those MTFs who snuck their way onto Giggle, the dating app specifically for cis lesbians, already know those women will never want to sleep with them. They don't care, they just want to exert power over those women so they're made aware they are never truly out of reach.

Since this is the thread for it, I have lost two friends to transitioning. At the time I didn't care at all that they were trans, but in both cases it was two men with deep insecurities deciding they no longer cared to try to be "good", and gave in fully to their worst impulses. One of them basically destroyed our friends group, they went from being a shy nerd to a person who was deeply hostile and resentful towards everyone, nothing was ever good enough, every injury was a deep wound that could not be healed. In both cases their desire for admiration and affection kept progressing so that one day they were the timid nerd of the group to having a sort of larger than life persona, to finally just never taking no for an answer and needing to avenge every single slight. If this was all meant to lead up to sleeping with lesbians then it totally went over my head.

 

[Wallace]

they went from being a shy nerd to a person who was deeply hostile and resentful towards everyone, nothing was ever good enough, every injury was a deep wound that could not be healed. In both cases their desire for admiration and affection kept progressing so that one day they were the timid nerd of the group to having a sort of larger than life persona, to finally just never taking no for an answer and needing to avenge every single slight

Now that sounds like narcissism. I've previously speculated similarities between the trans self and a narcissist's false self.

 

[Jacques1194]

Ok this is probably the thread to post this.Another teenage TIF entered this public discord I'm in for this show,and she's thinking about trooning out.I had to do some investigating, and it turns out that she (no shock)also admits that she was groomed online, and her father died back in 2020.Good grief, I feel bad for her because it seems like she has mental health problems, but sadly there's nothing I can do because I dont want to get accused of being a creep by trying to convince her that trooning out isn't the way.

 

[heisenbuug]

Thank God I can finally rant about this-I am not even particularly transphobic if the person isn't outwardly weird. I had a childhood friend for a decade, a very sweet, creative, quiet dude. He was a little awkward but we were close and a troon out never crossed my mind. I moved away for college and next thing I know he is engaged to his partner (I honestly don't know the biological sex of that thing) in under a year. The partner was big into psychedelics and got him hooked on them. They make him cut off all his friends and I hadn't heard from him for two years until he randomly resurfaced.

He broke things off with her and I thought he was back to normal despite dressing pretty strange-I just thought it might be an identity crisis or maybe he found out he was gay? We somewhat reconnected but next thing I know he is posting softcore porn in the full getup-fishnets, cat ears, Halloween vampire fangs. I almost thought it was a joke because we used to make fun of people that would dress like this. I mute his profile but checkin a few weeks later and see he socially "transitioned" multiple times before settling on identifying as every gender by having a million personalities within him including gods. Could not stand to watch the mental illness acid brainrot and removed him but it was so hard watching and not being able to do anything. I tried reaching out multiple times to support him before and during the beginning of the weird shit but I wasn't super close to him anymore so I doubt it held much weight to him.

Especially sucks that he looked like he was finally putting himself together and had plans for a career before he got engaged, I visit home a lot so I hear through the grapevine that life isn't being kind to him but it's hard to get a job when you dress and act insane. I am hoping he is just hooked on drugs and will get it together when he gets off them but I might just be too optimistic.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

That still doesn't make any sense.

Why go for a single digit of a percentage of the population if your goal is to get sex, rather than the cast the net wider?

The only other explanation is that they assume that lesbians or bisexual women are even easier, loser, more degenerate than straight women. And even that is only partially correct, as bed death does happen.

I do know that the KJV version of the first chapter of Romans describes sexual degeneracy as "things which are not convenient," but this is ridiculous.

They are not basing their knowledge of lesbians from real life. They get it from anime. They want to be cute girls doing cute things or some power fantasy like project a-ko or kill la iill where lesbians are all hot strong tomboys dominatrixes with colored hair and shit like that.

They project into women because they failed as men and reject masculinity out of learned helplessness and sour grapes mentality. An anime with all frmale cast is an escapist fantasy and when they are too autistic and too disociated to tell reality from fiction anymore they try to live the coomer fantasy and become a dragon maid in real life.

 

[Haltmann]

but sadly there's nothing I can do because I dont want to get accused of being a creep by trying to convince her that trooning out isn't the way.

Just wanting to butt in here - I find it depressing that the only people who feel emboldened to reach out to minors are groomers. I don't really care about discord, so maybe it's easier for me to say I wouldn't give a shit if I got kicked from a server for reaching out to someone about something like that. You could try to give her some brief guidance privately and she might not even take it poorly. The worst case scenario still has you planting a seed in her mind that could help her in the future.

Not the same thing, but I saw a minor post a fetishy video of themselves on a different place before (the thumbnail made it appear he stuffed a balloon or ball under his shirt for some vore or inflation thing but I did not care to watch it) and I got him to take it down by just reaching out to him about it. There were unfortunately creeps in the comments of the video, but I hope he listens to me and never posts videos of himself online like that again.

One of the reasons I considered doing so was I saw Ruben Sim have success helping a groomed kid on Roblox kick his furry porn addiction, and later he got his groomer arrested. Check it out here:
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/roblox-community-general-thread.79729/post-17414580

The gender cult would probably be harder to pull someone out of, but it sounds like this TiF might be more open to you if she already admitted she was groomed.

 

[cyber insecurity]

All I'm gonna say is I'm worried and holding onto my peakfuel folder just in case..

 

[Slideshow Bill]

What is it with intelligent men trooning out?

People who are very booksmart have this tendency to be very gullible.

 

[Lavender Moth]

Cute woman asked me out. We have a lot of interests in common, but I rejected her bid for a relationship because she doesn't really know me beyond "we have similar hobbies & media taste". That and she wanted "a relationship without sex". (So a friendship lmaoooo? Why the fuck are whole ass adults in the 30+ crowd hopping on this runaway train of pure nonsensical retardism?) The last woman I dated who really u-hauled me like that was the one who turned me into a transwidow, so, even without the "let's be in a relationship without an actual relationship" lunacy, it felt like a red flag to me.

Sure enough, a couple weeks later, she's now a "he/him nonbinary transman" and went on a rant about how women who don't date TIFs are big evil "TERFS" (rather than sane people who know that roided up TIF bodies are wretched lmao).

Dodged a fucking bullet. Kind of a bummer though, because I was at least open to a deeper friendship before she TIF'd.

 

[ScurvyRat]

Cute woman asked me out. We have a lot of interests in common, but I rejected her bid for a relationship because she doesn't really know me beyond "we have similar hobbies & media taste". That and she wanted "a relationship without sex". (So a friendship lmaoooo? Why the fuck are whole ass adults in the 30+ crowd hopping on this runaway train of pure nonsensical retardism?)

Real.
Had a woman get mad at me for leaning in for a goodbye kiss on a 2nd date. Apparently that was moving too fast for her.

 

[Free the Pedos]

Have any of yall lost a friend who wasn’t a troon themselves, but was so invested in the ideology you couldn’t be around them anymore? (I have; do not recommend it.)

I've posted before about how autists tend to develop "programmer brain", where they think interacting with other humans is about performing a certain set of inputs to get a certain output

It sounds like more rigid, ritual behavior anssociated with autism. They’re supposed to get behavioral therapy for it before they do insane shit like hit someone for not being their friend…or trooning out. I’ve had autistic kids tell me explicitly, “I’m going to say/do X and then you’re going to do Y!” and the people around them are supposed to gently train them to understand that they can’t force other people to do what they want when they want.

 

[cyber insecurity]

What is it with intelligent men trooning out?

y axis is odds of getting laid, x axis is IQ

 

[Hassou Tobi]

I remember back when I was younger and into Danganronpa, I had a male friend who I loved to chat with on Discord. He was around my age and we liked to talk about mostly Danganronpa

What is it about these games that attract so many troons?

Spoiler

Never experienced daganronpa but when I was younger I was in persona and fire emblem fandoms (large crossover with daganronpa fandoms) and there was a lot of troons, even for anime/vidya communities.

Anyway…sorry to hear about your friend.

 

[chump change]

I lost an old friend of mine to troonism. Went from a respectable and chill guy to a horny furfag femboy freak at age 16 over the span of two years, despite me doing everything in my power to get him to avoid this path. He ended up being a Keffals supporter, and intended on getting HRT behind the backs of his parents. Coincidentally this was around the same time the Keffals thread was made here, which I have lurked since its inception. Part of me wonders if he got groomed by some faggots on twitter who spew these insane and dangerous ideas. It was a terrible experience, but that must be nothing compared to what a parent would go through discovering this about one the kids (a parent who isn’t fucking crazy enough to support it)

 

[Lavender Moth]

What is it about these games that attract so many troons?

Danganronpa has a crossdressing character that people like to cite as "trans rep" even though (if I recall correctly, I fucking hated Danganronpa and learned a lot of it by proxy so pardon me if I'm getting my deep facts wrong lmao) he is adamant that he's just a man in a dress.

One of my best friends who I lost to the cult cited Danganronpa and said character as a reason why she "discovered" her inner poonself.

 

[Nijigasaki]

Danganronpa has a crossdressing character that people like to cite as "trans rep" even though (if I recall correctly, I fucking hated Danganronpa and learned a lot of it by proxy so pardon me if I'm getting my deep facts wrong lmao) he is adamant that he's just a man in a dress.

One of my best friends who I lost to the cult cited Danganronpa and said character as a reason why she "discovered" her inner poonself.

Chihiro has a really simple character arc that some people can't seem to wrap their head around, so they willfully misrepresent how Chihiro feels about himself. In essence, Chihiro never met the standards of traditional masculinity (he's short and self-admittedly weak), so he found it far easier for him to pretend to be a girl. If that was the issue on its own, then I could understand where the "debate" would come from, but the circumstances of his death blow the tranny argument out of the water. Chihiro decides that, just because he's small and doesn't fit the traditional mold of masculinity, he shouldn't hide away from being male. Therefore, he enlists the help of another character to try and help improve his self image, who then ends up killing him, naturally. So really, Chihiro decided that just because he didn't meet the expectation of gender roles, that didn't mean that he wasn't a dude. Being a "girl" made him feel more comfortable before, because it meant he was never scrutinised for his body type that he couldn't do anything about and the fact he was shy and soft spoken, a pair of more traditionally "feminine" traits.

But then again, he was a computer programmer lmao

I think the reason why Danganronpa attracted so many younger fans was because of its cartoony aesthetic coupled with its edgy subject matter. Hell, I used to like it a lot (I still do, but definitely see its flaws looking back on it). Really it was the perfect thing for edgy teens a few years ago, but it has turned out a lot of genderspecials. It's always been kind of bizarre to me, especially considering Chihiro is the closest the games get to trans rep (as far as I can remember) and he eventually accepts that he's a dude before he dies.

My condolences to everyone in this thread going through tough times with trans people in their circles. I'm lucky enough that I haven't stumbled upon it happening to someone near and dear to me yet. It happened to me instead in secondary school, where it was hard for people to get hormones and surgeries below the age of 18, or totally unheard of, so we were all safe and most of them just ended up dropping the gender shit later, even if they still believe in it.

 

[gohi_trout]

Danganronpa has a crossdressing character that people like to cite as "trans rep" even though (if I recall correctly, I fucking hated Danganronpa and learned a lot of it by proxy so pardon me if I'm getting my deep facts wrong lmao) he is adamant that he's just a man in a dress.

One of my best friends who I lost to the cult cited Danganronpa and said character as a reason why she "discovered" her inner poonself.

Doganronpa has an overwhelmingly female player/fanbase, out of those I have known who were fans of daganronpa they were either girls or pooners.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I lost an old friend of mine to troonism. Went from a respectable and chill guy to a horny furfag femboy freak at age 16 over the span of two years, despite me doing everything in my power to get him to avoid this path. He ended up being a Keffals supporter, and intended on getting HRT behind the backs of his parents. Coincidentally this was around the same time the Keffals thread was made here, which I have lurked since its inception. Part of me wonders if he got groomed by some faggots on twitter who spew these insane and dangerous ideas. It was a terrible experience, but that must be nothing compared to what a parent would go through discovering this about one the kids (a parent who isn’t fucking crazy enough to support it)

How he doing now, have u checked in?
If it was just around the cusp, he might have made it out unscathed by HRT by the time Keffals empire of shit fell to bits all around him.... That furry stuff tho? That sticks....

 

[toilet_rainbow]

There is a lot of media I actively avoid because it's popular with troons. Not just as a gateway to grooming (which is bad enough), or because it's often pretentious SJW crap. Not a perfect litmus test, but troons aren't exactly known for having good taste. A lot of SJWs I knew in my twenties have also since trooned out while liking much of the same stuff. It's really like troonery is a fucking hivemind sometimes.

Another big personal reason is that they are absolutely retarded with gender and emotional intelligence when it comes to fandom. I was huge into fandom in my teens/twenties and miss when mpreg and most troon shit were mocked to hell. Now the occasional times I go into AO3 to see how it's going it seems like every fanfic is written by a pooner and full of canon male characters being cuntboys or dicking also canon male cuntboys, and may or may not involve piss. I guess I really did grow out of my favorite sort of community growing up. What a shame. It used to be a fun, safe way to develop my writing skills and talk to other people with mutual interests. Now it's infested with troon politics (and piss).

An update on that personal pooner cow I mentioned a while back that did next to dick to transition except come up with a troon name. She got top surgery late last month. She was immediately euphoric day of surgery about her now obviously "male" silhouette (despite having child bearing hips while still being morbidly obese) and lamented that she wanted to masturbate but couldn't literally a day post op. She's complained and posted pictures of her wounds separating and how much her (blackening) nipple grafts hurt (oh god they hurt so bad, make it stop), but she's so happy and doesn't regret it one bit! Nope nope nope! Here's another selfie where she looks like she's about to cry in her dirty bathroom mirror! She's sooo happy!

Cope is one helluva drug.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

I can't believe these two posts are right next to each other. What is it with intelligent men trooning out?

I think it is caused by consumption of pornography. It turns the brain into mush for these people. They become drooling coomers addicted to whatever makes them tick. And like all addicts, they will eventually have to up the dosage. Again and again.