Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[BikeLock]

There are rumors of the first batch of frenchies(about 2000) getting ready to cross over into Ukraine really soon, they are supposedly already in Moldova.

Hope they catch a hypersonic for their efforts, lmao.

 

[Strix454]

I recall that in the previous threads some people suggested giving up tanks/IFVs entirely and just take the offensive with bikes and light vehicles. Back then I thought the suggestion was retarded since the Ukrainian state doesn't have the means to overhaul their tactical doctrine and the resources to train sufficient men for offensive operations.

And simply put, bikes and other light vehicles don't have the staying power of armor and are pretty much useless in urban warfare.

The main use of IFVs seems to be protected landing operations of infantry. The infantry is needed to capture either a trenchline or a set of buildings on the end of a village/town that can then form a defensible foothold. The IFV's are essentially solving the First World War problem of infantry charging long distances across open spaces under heavy fire to get to the defensive positions on the other side.

With that in mind, the design of IFV's IMO needs to somewhat be re-thought with speed, protection and the ability to quickly offload the men being important factors. Urban combat in the conflict has become a rather methodical process. But the operations to land infantry in an urban area remain difficult.

As far as tanks go, I'm less clear about what they are being used for. Obviously the can do direct fire support on the front lines. But they are no longer the intimidating weapon they were in the past.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Orlivka Has Fallen | "Ukraine Is Losing This War" - Former Polish Chief of Staff & General

 

[blackjack101]

so military summary states 2nd line breached, meaning 3rd according to him is nonexistent as in weak, than the 4th will be next. finally, the right updates we needed.

 

[Uncle Holter]

Imperium of Man when?

That made me think of this video. It's a bit cringe but I can't help loving it and it's simplicity of conveying the message that democracy is gay and dictatorship is cool.

 

[Mr Komo]

Didnt they Kaliber a hotel full of these French faggots like a month ago. Russia doesnt give 2 shits about blowing up anyone that wanders into the SMO zone.

There is generally a subtle difference between dropping a cruise missile on French faggot mercenaries who are illegal under French law and should not be there in the first place and dropping a cruise missile on French faggot ground forces who are there "legally" in an "official" capacity.

 

[Legato]

There is generally a subtle difference between dropping a cruise missile on French faggot mercenaries who are illegal under French law and should not be there in the first place and dropping a cruise missile on French faggot ground forces who are there "legally" in an "official" capacity.

Ya, not really.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

That made me think of this video. It's a bit cringe but I can't help loving it and it's simplicity of conveying the message that democracy is gay and dictatorship is cool.

I love how this has fuck all to do with either system. Great video

 

[Betonhaus]

There is generally a subtle difference between dropping a cruise missile on French faggot mercenaries who are illegal under French law and should not be there in the first place and dropping a cruise missile on French faggot ground forces who are there "legally" in an "official" capacity.

The only difference is if their deaths get reported as a training accident or not at all.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

There is generally a subtle difference between dropping a cruise missile on French faggot mercenaries who are illegal under French law and should not be there in the first place and dropping a cruise missile on French faggot ground forces who are there "legally" in an "official" capacity.

Unless it issues an official Déclaration de guerre de la France, they aren't there "legally", and if France does declare war then cruise missiles are precisely the correct Russian response. They know it, and Russia knows it.

I can't imagine anything more likely to get Russians riled up and demand it go ham on French troops, and then march all the way to Paris to depose Macron, than having him doing a Napoleon 2.0, except for us burgers doing the same.*

Again, I think this war is over and nearing its end, and the actions of France are designed to help preserve at least a sliver of the Ukraine, so they can continue taking shots at Russia. I don't think it would be wise for Russia to leave any part of the Ukraine under the control of the present government or even a Western coalition as a protectorate. I think this video of sappers de-mining recently acquired territory for spring planting is an indication Russia wants to get things back to normal as soon as possible:

The work of sappers to clean up liberated territories

Engineering and sapper units of the South group of troops carry out de-mining of agricultural lands, areas and sections of roads from explosive objects and unexploded ordnance, and also provide assistance to local residents of DPR settlements liberated during a special military operation in demining their household plots from dangerous finds.

During combat work, military personnel had to neutralize various types of mines, unexploded ordnance, and foreign-made ammunition. Link
*Then it would be WW3 which a lot of burgertards are actually agitating for.

 

[Betonhaus]

I think this video of sappers de-mining recently acquired territory for spring planting is an indication Russia wants to get things back to normal as soon as possible:

It is always such a contrast seeing NATO willingly throwing away lives and weaponry for photo ops that serve nothing but to make future battles harder, then see Russia be rebuilding homes and preparing for the next growing season.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Swedish public media: “Sanctions strike hard against the Russian upper crust”
Also Swedish public media: “How to eat weeds for a more sustainable future”

See, Ivan, is great mystery. They sanction us but also sanction themselves.

 

[SIMIΔN]

remember that shit from the first year of the war, when YouTube was promoting these DCS videos and they were getting millions of fucking views.

I was actually one of the few dozen subscribers of Ryan McWhatsaname, as he did tutorials for a programming language I was learning.

Says "We need more people in the line."

Grayham has no children or grandchildren to risk, and his only military experience is being a lawyer.

Remember Prigozin?

Yes, he took it too far. Even if no shots were fired, his stunt left other units vulnerable.

Democracy is a fake and gay creation of the kikes.

I wouldn't go that far, but I see it as more of a way to manufacture legitimacy than it is at selecting the best leaders.

it is only natural to associate the recovery with the man in power during much of it. It isn’t

So many resource rich countries suffer in poverty. And that's ignoring Western glowies and oligarchs having a hard-on for Russian suffering. Putin and the FSB saved their country.

 

[01169]

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What people like monke always forget when they repeat that drivel about Russia losing population because they ban faggotry or other liberal bullshit is that the lesser appealing a country gets for some the more appealing it gets for others. And migration will turn inevitably from simple laborers to more educated people the worser it gets in their countries.

interviews from the 1990s

Man. I wonder if even a single kid from those videos got out and is still alive.

 

[Fapcop]

There is generally a subtle difference between dropping a cruise missile on French faggot mercenaries who are illegal under French law and should not be there in the first place and dropping a cruise missile on French faggot ground forces who are there "legally" in an "official" capacity.

Not really.

Not in the legal sense anyways.

They haven’t declared war and they’re on foreign territory where there is a military operation.

The French are free to escalate, however they’d be on their own, along with the tiny army they have.

The French military establishment certainly knows that the only thing their troops are good for, is to shoot at poorly armed Nogs, while they evacuate some French business interests, and that they’d get seriously whooped by an army like the Russian. They’re just hoping that it won’t come to that because the respect the Russian have for baguettes or whatever.

Not French, but I’m getting a strong impression of this possible intervention not being especially popular.

 

[SIMIΔN]

What people like monke always forget when they repeat that drivel about Russia losing population because they ban faggotry or other liberal bullshit is that the lesser appealing a country gets for some the more appealing it gets for others

And the more appealing it is for certain Muslim majority republics to stay in the federation.

Russia has escaped the slippery slope of that would normally follow from their permitting of substantial same-sex rights, by having a material threat stopping it going from fair to insane.

Also, I wanted clarification about the Reddit post, nothing more

I’m getting a strong impression of this possible intervention not being especially popular.

Giving Paris a dose of portable sunshine would solve a lot of France's otherwise unsolvable problems

 

[Mr Komo]

Not really.

Not in the legal sense anyways.

They haven’t declared war and they’re on foreign territory where there is a military operation.

The French are free to escalate, however they’d be on their own, along with the tiny army they have.

The French military establishment certainly knows that the only thing their troops are good for, is to shoot at poorly armed Nogs, while they evacuate some French business interests, and that they’d get seriously whooped by an army like the Russian. They’re just hoping that it won’t come to that because the respect the Russian have for baguettes or whatever.

Not French, but I’m getting a strong impression of this possible intervention not being especially popular.

No, no, that's all understandable, but what I mean is with the rules clearly being bent and misinterpreted whatever which way would it not present a more substantial escalation if the troops were there on whatever raison d'etre the French will cook up as a justification when they get hit with a cruise missile? Let's say Elensky invites them over the same way Assad invited the Russians over to Syria back in the day before the 31st of March, when the elections were meant to be held.

Thus my juxtaposition of "dead mercenaries that technically shouldn't exist" and "dead actual French ground forces" and the suggestion that these two are not the same.

I am likewise not French, and likewise I am confident that Russia would have no problem annihilating some frenchmen, and I am likewise sure that this is not going to be popular with the French populace, but I am worried that this could be used as a justification to draw in participants even further into the war.

 

[Slur Generator]

What equipment if any do nato countries even have? Not enough for any serious conflict.

 

[Pаzuzu]

They still got plenty of shit for their own use I'm sure, not too much probably.

 

[Uncle Holter]

I love how this has fuck all to do with either system. Great video

It does, but not in a definitional way, more in a downstream symptomatic way.
You can't deny that the trends pointed out are true. Only in liberal democracy do people not get harsh punishments for really heinous crimes, only in liberal democracy can shame be turned in to pride, only in liberal democracy can anti-nationalism be allowed to become mainstream.

The connection with all this with what you consider democracy and dictatorship is their fundamental essence. Democracy is all about divide and conquer, the population is easiest to control and manipulate when they are fractured in to small interest groups that can be played against each other. Thus unity is impossible under democracy because people will always see their fellow people as opposition, thus their volksgemeinschaft is eliminated and with it goes the basis of all morals. Why act in the common good if the common are full of ignorant and bad people? It's all against all, so just look out for yourself(contrast this with the one for all, all for one mantra of collectivist societies). Thus we arrive at the essence of democracy, nihilism and selfishness draped in highfalutin individualist rhetoric that amounts to nothing more than a glorification of anti-social behavior! The rest follows from this, the very weak resistance towards evil and the tacit acceptance of it, this is all symptoms of individualism.

Contrast this with a dictatorship witch gets it's strength from unity, the dictator does not get more powerful by robbing or exploiting his people, he just gets weaker because his power comes from the people(unless we are talking a banana republic where robbing the people in order to pay your warlords to be loyal to you is the name of the game, that's more like how democracy operates).
Thus the incentives are reversed. Dictatorships(and absolute monarchies) forge strong bonds between people and create entire heroic mythoses to bind a people together. I think the rest is self explanatory if you think about it. It creates all the different attitudes you see in dictatorships.

TL;DR ethos is downstream from form of government

Edit: added a topical video