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[sum ting wong]

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I'm in the younger millennials/older genZ cutoff years and I was outside all the time as a kid. Cars were never something me or anyone I know worried about even when playing in the street. If you want to blame something for kids being inside it's the internet. If I didn't grow up with dial-up and a computer so bad it couldn't even play RuneScape I probably would've spent significantly more time inside.

 

[Another Char Clone]

Is he implying parents before the millennial generation allowed their kids to play on the road? Does the post author only think cars were invented after he was born?

 

[Xarpho's Return]

It took the bugmen long enough to find this thread. Did someone shine a light in their little hovel causing them to scatter and find us?

He claims he was looking for new urbanism topics when he found the thread. There's no shortage of other topics and articles to discuss, so his explanation sounds like "I was doing homework, and oops, I came across hardcore scat porn". More likely since he's a self-proclaimed furry he was in Animal Control for some reason and noticed this thread.

 

[quaawaa]

He claims he was looking for new urbanism topics when he found the thread. There's no shortage of other topics and articles to discuss, so his explanation sounds like "I was doing homework, and oops, I came across hardcore scat porn". More likely since he's a self-proclaimed furry he was in Animal Control for some reason and noticed this thread.

This thread is on the second page of Google for the query “fuckcars”, so it is possible that he found it organically.

 

[Ensok]

"Why would being able to walk to a park, grocery store, bar, an concert be a bad thing?"

It's not, but the thing is I can already do all that where I live aside from the concert and even then there are plenty of places with live music I can walk to from where I live. The thing is I can do even more and get to things even faster if I use a car. These people always conflate suburbs with bedroom towns and don't think about the larger variety of places that people actually live. Even those bedroom towns are places people still live in and move to for a reason, they made a choice to go there and they've accepted the need to drive for their things. Often those bedroom towns will still have some small parks at the very least too.

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Source (A)

I'm in the younger millennials/older genZ cutoff years and I was outside all the time as a kid. Cars were never something me or anyone I know worried about even when playing in the street. If you want to blame something for kids being inside it's the internet. If I didn't grow up with dial-up and a computer so bad it couldn't even play RuneScape I probably would've spent significantly more time inside.

And this is just patently false. This is a bald-faced lie.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

It's not, but the thing is I can already do all that where I live aside from the concert and even then there are plenty of places with live music I can walk to from where I live. The thing is I can do even more and get to things even faster if I use a car. These people always conflate suburbs with bedroom towns and don't think about the larger variety of places that people actually live. Even those bedroom towns are places people still live in and move to for a reason, they made a choice to go there and they've accepted the need to drive for their things. Often those bedroom towns will still have some small parks at the very least too.

Living near where concerts are is going to suck. (The frat house a block away is often noisy). Usually in large cities, concerts are an outdoor venue and you'd hear it often if you lived nearby. (Bars/nightclubs also have noise issues, though they often wave away noise issues with "but cars are noisier", even if it's false).

 

[blue gopher snakes]

I love the total blind-guessing about parenting from extremely online urbanists who will likely not ever have any children of their own. Frankly, I don’t really see that they’re ever going to be likely to get many parents on their side.

Suburban parents enjoy how their children can play outside in suburban areas where traffic is generally made up of their neighbors who likely also have children, the occasional mow and blow landscaping company doing their morning route, and the occasional Amazon driver. I know many parents that love to sit outside in the afternoons while their children play with the neighbor kids. At least, in my neck of the woods, that is alive and well regardless of what extremely online autists seem to believe. Kids ride their bikes, make up games involving sprinting across everyone’s lawn, and generally do normal outdoor kids stuff. All summer long, the sidewalks and streets are covered in sidewalk chalk petroglyphs as evidence that children were there and were having fun. And every parent I know is less concerned about their neighbor’s SUV than they are about their children being “culturally enriched” by some unwanted creep. Telling parents that their desire to give their children a good life in a safe neighborhood is wrong or bad, and that they should be forced to rub elbows with homeless people or drug addicts is never going to have much success.

 

[Jarolleon]

Urbanists dominate on Xitter now, even their spiteful takes like this get thousands of likes and little coherent opposition. It's impossible to oppose red light cameras on the site without getting the kind of reception typically reserved for game journalists. Who would have thought that they would be the biggest winners of the so-called "far-right takeover"?

 

[quaawaa]

Urbanists dominate on Xitter now, even their spiteful takes like this get thousands of likes and little coherent opposition. It's impossible to oppose red light cameras on the site without getting the kind of reception typically reserved for game journalists. Who would have thought that they would be the biggest winners of the so-called "far-right takeover"?
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There definitely are a lot of urbanists there, but keep in mind that even without the bots that Twitter is full of bubbles. Unless a tweet is shared and mocked by a larger account, the replies will mostly reflect the opinions of the original poster.

34k likes is also nothing for a video with 27 million views, so something fishy is up with that tweet. Tucker Carlson’s most recent video tweet has 2.7 million views and 55k likes, for comparison.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Suburban parents enjoy how their children can play outside in suburban areas where traffic is generally made up of their neighbors who likely also have children, the occasional mow and blow landscaping company doing their morning route, and the occasional Amazon driver. I know many parents that love to sit outside in the afternoons while their children play with the neighbor kids. At least, in my neck of the woods, that is alive and well regardless of what extremely online autists seem to believe. Kids ride their bikes, make up games involving sprinting across everyone’s lawn, and generally do normal outdoor kids stuff. All summer long, the sidewalks and streets are covered in sidewalk chalk petroglyphs as evidence that children were there and were having fun. And every parent I know is less concerned about their neighbor’s SUV than they are about their children being “culturally enriched” by some unwanted creep. Telling parents that their desire to give their children a good life in a safe neighborhood is wrong or bad, and that they should be forced to rub elbows with homeless people or drug addicts is never going to have much success.

Remember these are people who think kids will lie down in front of SUVs to get crushed, suburbanites take an hour round trip commute to get groceries, and highways will just sprout cars out of the vapor, so reality is not their strong suit.

Frankly, I'm not sure that true urbanites have a good idea of who their neighbors actually are, not any more than suburb-dwellers do, and they have a lot more to keep track of. They complain about low-trust environments, but blame "car culture" for it and remain blissfully unaware of the reality until it hits them, sometimes quite literally.

 

[F-14 Tomcat]

"if shitty people hate you that means you're one of the good guys"

you said it pal

 

[Misericordia]

The urbanists I think are really a consequence of the "College Experience" industry. You take these late adolescents, put them in an environment where they are surrounded by other young, motivated, enthusiastic people who are socially and sexually available, mostly segregated from the great mass of losers and predators and fuckups, give them a line of credit so they don't even have to work, and allow them to basically do whatever they want for 4 years with limited obligations. It sets their expectations for adulthood, but it's completely unsustainable. The people who went to college and got useless degrees, having the lightest workload and the most fun, graduate and get dumped out into the real world where they have to get a job and there are all kinds of old and ugly people you have to deal with. For the rest of their lives, they believe that "socialism" will give them back the campus lifestyle which was propped-up with other people's money. I actually think it might be intentional. Give the children of the middle class a taste of the high life, then take it away and blame "capitalism". What better way could there be to disempower them and convert them into left-wing footsoldiers?

 

[Irene and 22 others]

The urbanists I think are really a consequence of the "College Experience" industry. You take these late adolescents, put them in an environment where they are surrounded by other young, motivated, enthusiastic people who are socially and sexually available, mostly segregated from the great mass of losers and predators and fuckups, give them a line of credit so they don't even have to work, and allow them to basically do whatever they want for 4 years with limited obligations. It sets their expectations for adulthood, but it's completely unsustainable. The people who went to college and got useless degrees, having the lightest workload and the most fun, graduate and get dumped out into the real world where they have to get a job and there are all kinds of old and ugly people you have to deal with. For the rest of their lives, they believe that "socialism" will give them back the campus lifestyle which was propped-up with other people's money. I actually think it might be intentional. Give the children of the middle class a taste of the high life, then take it away and blame "capitalism". What better way could there be to disempower them and convert them into left-wing footsoldiers?

A lot of young idealists figure it out in time. Thomas Sowell has said that when he was college-aged he was a socialist. Even one of my high school friends, at the ripe old age of 16, realized how bullshit the government was the first paycheck he earned after seeing how much was taken out of it. These groups seem larger than they really are because they're the perpetually online sort that generate more than ten times the tweets as anyone with anything better to do with their time.

Here's a video that perfectly illustrates why they'll never achieve anything. You would swear that this was well-crafted satire, but they're just that ridiculous. If they actually ever did manage to kick off a revolution, they would all wind up dead or in a gulag within five years. The urbanists will just pave a bike path to hell instead of a road.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The urbanists I think are really a consequence of the "College Experience" industry. You take these late adolescents, put them in an environment where they are surrounded by other young, motivated, enthusiastic people who are socially and sexually available, mostly segregated from the great mass of losers and predators and fuckups, give them a line of credit so they don't even have to work, and allow them to basically do whatever they want for 4 years with limited obligations. It sets their expectations for adulthood, but it's completely unsustainable. The people who went to college and got useless degrees, having the lightest workload and the most fun, graduate and get dumped out into the real world where they have to get a job and there are all kinds of old and ugly people you have to deal with. For the rest of their lives, they believe that "socialism" will give them back the campus lifestyle which was propped-up with other people's money. I actually think it might be intentional. Give the children of the middle class a taste of the high life, then take it away and blame "capitalism". What better way could there be to disempower them and convert them into left-wing footsoldiers?

Of course. The whining about "why can't cities be more like college campuses" with a straight face is an indicator of that, citing density and cycling. I've been on one of the larger campuses out there, but I lived off campus and was fully aware that it was not sustainable as anything like a city. Traffic surrounds the area, unable to go through the complex. Huge parking garages everywhere. The traffic radiates out to other areas, such as supermarkets (there are none in or near campus), off-campus housing, other restaurants, and entertainment venues beyond the bars that cluster immediately near campus.

Even fundamentally (without the obvious logistics/cost problems) there are a few problems with that: first, they admit that to have a cohesive "neighborhood" your neighbors have to be like you--in the case of college, it's overwhelmingly left-wing but also young, moderately intelligent people who have similar interests to each other. As urbanism is an arm of the left-wing globohomo machine, that's against just shaking up a bunch of "multicultural" people with no common language, creed, or interests, and expecting them to co-exist as neighbors.

The second is that urbanists claim they love campuses, but what happens during the holidays like Spring Break and Christmas? It's a ghost town. There'll be some faculty/grad students milling around as well as students whose families are overseas, but no one wants to be there if they can avoid it...which also goes against their theories--there's nothing inherently good about cities other than jobs, in this case "jobs" are classes.

 

[Atypical Dog]

The people who went to college and got useless degrees, having the lightest workload and the most fun, graduate and get dumped out into the real world where they have to get a job and there are all kinds of old and ugly people you have to deal with. For the rest of their lives, they believe that "socialism" will give them back the campus lifestyle which was propped-up with other people's money. I actually think it might be intentional. Give the children of the middle class a taste of the high life, then take it away and blame "capitalism". What better way could there be to disempower them and convert them into left-wing footsoldiers?

Gotta get 'em with the golden chains of lifestyle inflation early. The few who are lucky enough to get cushy professor or high-level corporate jobs will get to keep living the dream, while everyone else is gonna have to come back down to reality.

Even fundamentally (without the obvious logistics/cost problems) there are a few problems with that: first, they admit that to have a cohesive "neighborhood" your neighbors have to be like you--in the case of college, it's overwhelmingly left-wing but also young, moderately intelligent people who have similar interests to each other. As urbanism is an arm of the left-wing globohomo machine, that's against just shaking up a bunch of "multicultural" people with no common language, creed, or interests, and expecting them to co-exist as neighbors.

Further proving that it's the people that make the community, not vice-versa. You would actually walk/drive/bike a mile to see beloved neighbors at their farmhouse, but you wouldn't dare knock on the apartment next to you to visit. To complain, sure, but visit? You'd have to know them pretty well.

TIL that the forum doesn't toggle italics on and off with ctrl+I. I turned it on just fine but I had to click to turn it off.

 

[Eurofighter Turbo 9000]

Just going to drop this here: https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/n...-restriction-to-be-trialled-in-amsterdam-5221
Archive: https://archive.is/RcLhN

Amsterdam is trialing automatic e-bike speed restriction with the ultimate goal of imposing it on all e-bikes. Every day, taking one more step towards more control.

 

[quaawaa]

Just going to drop this here: https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/n...-restriction-to-be-trialled-in-amsterdam-5221
Archive: https://archive.is/RcLhN

Amsterdam is trialing automatic e-bike speed restriction with the ultimate goal of imposing it on all e-bikes. Every day, taking one more step towards more control.

Urbanists cheered on restrictive policies like Wales’ 20 mph speed limit and Amsterdam’s 30 kph speed limit for cars.

They’re not happy about their preferred mode of transportation being slowed down as well:

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[Xarpho's Return]

They’re not happy about their preferred mode of transportation being slowed down as well:

"My biggest concern is that this will only keep the honest people honest".

On a technical level Jason's right but he probably mocks the same concept when applied to gun control.

 

[Chuck McGill]

The people who went to college and got useless degrees, having the lightest workload and the most fun, graduate and get dumped out into the real world where they have to get a job and there are all kinds of old and ugly people you have to deal with. For the rest of their lives, they believe that "socialism" will give them back the campus lifestyle which was propped-up with other people's money. I actually think it might be intentional. Give the children of the middle class a taste of the high life, then take it away and blame "capitalism". What better way could there be to disempower them and convert them into left-wing footsoldiers?

It honestly is insane how fast the transition is between high school/college surrounded by peers your own age and plenty of natural socialization opportunities to being dumped out into the workforce as a 22-year old working in an office of boomers. And the worst part is absolutely no one warns you just how lonely the 'real world' really is once you're no longer smack dab in the middle of a hub for young people. Incels like to use the cope of "it's so ogre if you missed teenage love!", and while they're mainly focusing on not having the teenage experience, they do kind of have a point insofar as once you exit high school/college, meeting anyone let alone an of-age female becomes significantly more difficult.

 

[Lemon-Lime Turpentine]

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