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[Aegir]

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Idk what schools are on this guy's commute but the stopped traffic from public schools is just as bad if not worse than the private schools. Also as someone who went to private schools in elementary school, they absolutely have bussing. Either they work something out with the city to do a quick pickup for students on the way, or the school just runs their own busses. Obviously not all can do that, but ours was really small and still made that work.

Urbanists cheered on restrictive policies like Wales’ 20 mph speed limit and Amsterdam’s 30 kph speed limit for cars.

They’re not happy about their preferred mode of transportation being slowed down as well:

They are absolutely correct that this will do nothing for most ebikers. As a former ebiker myself, my bike was hella illegal and most of my mates were as well. Aliexpress motor controllers that DIYers like myself love don't give a single shit about local laws, and most commercial ebike manufacturers know that it's suicide to gimp their bikes. Limiting to 15mph basically kills the utility of these things since you can do 15mph on most gravel and commuter bikes without breaking too much of a sweat, and don't have the extra weight.

I don't even know how you'd even implement this on a technical level. You'd need some form of connection to the bikes controller, which would either require a tether to a smartphone to work (if your phone dies you're not riding home from work I guess), an expensive data plan for every single bike (bike subscription lmao), or communications infrastructure be rolled out to the entire city and also implemented or retrofitted in bike controllers (expensive).

I understand why they want it tho. Unrestricted ebike riders are some of the most reckless people on the road, they'll even put most 17 year old sportbike squids to shame. Blasting through traffic control devices, splitting lanes at 4x the rate of traffic, jumping in and out of sidewalks and pedestrian walkways as they see fit. They're literally your average cyclist stereotype but with even less saftey gear and much more speed. I've seen them get super fucked up doing it too. and naturally none of it is ever their fault. Regulation doesn't help tho, since that lot knows they can just order a Bafang 1000w mid drive controller and motor kit off Aliexpress for $500, a cheap used commuter bike for $300 on Facebook market, and the cheapest no name China battery they can find, and be ripping through streets at 45mph in no time. Anyone else will just buy commercial ebikes outside the city that won't be subject to restrictions. Only way to curb it is for cops to fine bikers for not following restrictions, but in my city those fines are absolutely toothless (like $50 per infraction) and cops don't find it worth their time to prosecute.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

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In a way the private school is an issue only for rich liberals who vote in all the bad policies that make the local public school district a massive shithole.

However, he's missing the point--school buses fucking SUCK. They have some of the district's worst students, arrive very early, and drop off very late, basically creating a literal 2+ hour commute every single day.

This dude was ALWAYS dropped off and picked up in a car, nor gave a SHIT about bus riders through his grade school education.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

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This reads like a rebellious teenager whose parents work themselves to the bone to put him in a private school so he can get a proper education, and he resents them because he has no friends and thinks if only he went to a public school people would tolerate his bullshit more.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

However, he's missing the point--school buses fucking SUCK. They have some of the district's worst students, arrive very early, and drop off very late, basically creating a literal 2+ hour commute every single day.

I swear this is by design, because pubic schools are just daycares so the parents can slave away for their masters and the state. The busses take a fuck long time to do anything (literally around here they'll be dropping kids off more than an hour and a half after school is over, and school is a 20 minute walk away) so that at least one parent can get home from work.

That doesn't even get into the whole "private schools and cars subsidize the pubic ones and the bussing" - because people who live in an area pay the taxes, but send their kids to private schools, which reduces the pressure and costs on the public schools.

Also you fucking retard if going past the school is always a fuck, stop driving down it!

Note, he's driving, he's the problem lol.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I swear this is by design, because pubic schools are just daycares so the parents can slave away for their masters and the state. The busses take a fuck long time to do anything (literally around here they'll be dropping kids off more than an hour and a half after school is over, and school is a 20 minute walk away) so that at least one parent can get home from work.

That doesn't even get into the whole "private schools and cars subsidize the pubic ones and the bussing" - because people who live in an area pay the taxes, but send their kids to private schools, which reduces the pressure and costs on the public schools.

Also you fucking retard if going past the school is always a fuck, stop driving down it!

Note, he's driving, he's the problem lol.

I did look into his Reddit history: hates right-wingers, hates Christianity (though not on extensive atheist rants), hates capitalism most of all, weed smoker, frequents r/antiwork (so either he doesn't have a job or works at fast food, I'm guessing), deeply in debt (probably college--said to have attended c. 2006), around age 40 (lines up with college), lives in or around Dallas, Texas... there's a few plausible candidates but it wouldn't be useful information.

His rant on private schools specifically isn't really about traffic or economics, there's obviously some bitterness underneath.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

deeply in debt (probably college--said to have attended c. 2006), around age 40 (lines up with college), lives in or around Dallas, Texas

I hope it isn’t college debt, you should have that shit paid off by 40 ….

 

[LaxerBRO]

hates capitalism most of all

I suppose he supports socialism or democratic socialism where workers have either seized the means of production or have votes on conditions / wages.

I wonder what his opinion would be in a mostly (democratic) socialist existence. How would the deal with these workplace democracies that already exist thanks to unions?




Each of these unions can cause the US to grind to a halt and have significant effects on industry. As such, each workplace collective either need to agree to the higher costs or STFU. But if they believe in the labor theory of value how will it be done?

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I hope it isn’t college debt, you should have that shit paid off by 40 ….

I don't know but he mentioned being $300k in the hole, which is well over college debt.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

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My US public high school had cars lined up all down the street too, and when leaving for Uni, I had to avoid the street with the public elementary on it because it is backed up too.
Meanwhile in the private schools I worked at in Asia had their own busses and vans to carpool kids and shit still gets backed up.
It is an unavoidable consequence of having hundreds of people arrive and leave at the same time.

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I'm in the younger millennials/older genZ cutoff years and I was outside all the time as a kid. Cars were never something me or anyone I know worried about even when playing in the street. If you want to blame something for kids being inside it's the internet. If I didn't grow up with dial-up and a computer so bad it couldn't even play RuneScape I probably would've spent significantly more time inside.

Growing up in the early 2000s we went over stranger danger and stuff like don't get into cars with people you don't know. Which actually came in handy, because someone tried the "come help me find my dog" trick on me. But I still played outside and walked freely in the suburbs going to friends houses, parks, school, and stores, I just got to let my parents know first.
But the big concern I was taught growing up was basically opsec, don't use your real name or picture online, don't talk to strangers online (my mom didn't even like me chatting in game lobbies), everything online is permanent, people lie on there, ect. Also online use was strictly monitored.
With how many kidnappings start with online chats than straight up white van style snatchings I think my parents were right to be weary of the internet more than cars.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Growing up in the early 2000s we went over stranger danger and stuff like don't get into cars with people you don't know. Which actually came in handy, because someone tried the "come help me find my dog" trick on me. But I still played outside and walked freely in the suburbs going to friends houses, parks, school, and stores, I just got to let my parents know first.

The whole /r/fuckcars of "why don't kids play outside" like some old boomer only works if you acknowledge two things:
1. "Muh stroads" have been a thing since at least the 1960s.
2. If suburbs are bad for a kid to grow up in, don't suggest denser areas as a better alternative.
3. A bunch of unsupervised kids running around the city isn't good for anyone (actual kids, not just """youths"""), nor is realistic (in all of the Amsterdam fawning, are there ANY children visible?)

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The whole /r/fuckcars of "why don't kids play outside" like some old boomer only works if you acknowledge two things:
1. "Muh stroads" have been a thing since at least the 1960s.
2. If suburbs are bad for a kid to grow up in, don't suggest denser areas as a better alternative.
3. A bunch of unsupervised kids running around the city isn't good for anyone (actual kids, not just """youths"""), nor is realistic (in all of the Amsterdam fawning, are there ANY children visible?)

Wait, there are spergs who paradoxically believe that "kids should play outside more" while also believing that suburbs are evil and people should be backed tightly into dense bughives?

 

[Midwit]

The people who went to college and got useless degrees, having the lightest workload and the most fun, graduate and get dumped out into the real world

I am of the opinion that the amount of school leavers going into university is about 4 times larger than it really should be, if everyone has a degree then those degrees have no value.

Idk what schools are on this guy's commute but the stopped traffic from public schools is just as bad if not worse than the private schools.

And that doesn't account for private boarding schools which don't need daily transport since all the students are on-site most of the time.

around here they'll be dropping kids off more than an hour and a half after school is over, and school is a 20 minute walk away

If it's only a twenty minute walk then what's the point in having a bus? When I had to take one it's because I lived in a village 8 miles out of town and pretty much everyone who lived in town walked.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

If it's only a twenty minute walk then what's the point in having a bus?

Exactly. Because you can dump your spawn an hour before school starts - on the bus. And they don’t get dropped off until you’re home.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Exactly. Because you can dump your spawn an hour before school starts - on the bus. And they don’t get dropped off until you’re home.

I suspect one reason why school buses are bad is they're run horribly inefficiently. I rode the bus home (not to) in kindergarten and one girl lived way out in the country, requiring an 8-mile round trip to drop her off. Granted, this was basically traveling on highways but the idea for a single student to add about 15 minutes to the route is just obscene. I don't think the district had any issues with number of buses or bus drivers but if the district was obliged to transport her no matter how far (because of the rural areas the school encompassed, some students lived quite a distance away), should've used another vehicle.

However, this sort of thing exists everywhere. Years later, when I lived in suburban Austin, the buses would be pulling out of the parking lot of the apartment complex just before 7 am...DESPITE the fact that there were schools within a mile radius and no attendance zoning fuckery going on.

I suspect that in both cases (and many others) that the bus routes were drawn up decades ago by tracing along maps, and then "patched" over time with new addresses and splits, and no one has EVER sat down with modern GPS tools and looked at how and where the buses actually went.

 

[FrigginWeeb]

Well, since they have found the thread, may as well ask a question while I'm kinda stoned.

Spoiler: Rambling

Yeah, I get that you want to ride a bike, you don't like cars, big truck scary, engines make loud noises that trigger your adult age waking night terrors.....that's all fun and good. Do your bike thing. You do you.

Where does your issue start involving others, and why? "oh the environment" fuck off with that, read your own forum, 98% of it is bitching about PEOPLE not the environment, you're using the eco warrior card to cover.
So why does this stop being a personal thing and start being an "involve the government to force changes to infrastructure"?
Why does it stop being "well I can just take public transport" and start being destruction of a stranger's stuff?
When does it stop being an elevate you thing and start being a lower others thing?

Let's put this in perspective with a hypothetical. The chinese have committed atrocities. Some activist people are very angry about this. So they grab your smartphone and bounce it off the pavement, making it no longer function. This hypothetical activist was a massive dick and busted something you own and paid for.

Same with damaging cars. You are some activist very angry about.....big trucks? the environment? not being able to walk down the street (never mind the streets are packed full of tents and trash). Well whatever. You're mad. You're frustrated. You look constipated. You see someone's car or truck parked, and you slash or deflate the tires, causing at best hundreds, at worst thousands of dollars in damage to someone you don't know, who has done nothing to you.

The fuck? How does that help the environment? Now you have a fresh set of tires and rims that's trash, you have the diesel from the towtruck and their air compressor going into the atmosphere, and nothing has changed. It's like a fruit fly ripping ass in a hurricane, it changed absolutely fuck all, but you still do it.

But why?

 

[TowinKarz]

Wait, there are spergs who paradoxically believe that "kids should play outside more" while also believing that suburbs are evil and people should be backed tightly into dense bughives?

It's a circle they can't square, they want people to be like elves and commune with nature almost to the total exclusion of technology beyond stacked blocks and sharpened sticks, but, they also want nature off limits so that the "wrong" kind of people can't enjoy/defile it.

When you realize this is a paradox, you understand where they're coming from - they're miserable commies intent on enforcing total top-down order on society, as all of them have always been.

 

[Tootsie Bear]

Idk what schools are on this guy's commute but the stopped traffic from public schools is just as bad if not worse than the private schools. Also as someone who went to private schools in elementary school, they absolutely have bussing. Either they work something out with the city to do a quick pickup for students on the way, or the school just runs their own busses. Obviously not all can do that, but ours was really small and still made that work.

Believe me I have been behind long ass line of cars in traffic for public school. Not every public school student rides the bus to and from school. They're either dropped off or walk to school.

In a way the private school is an issue only for rich liberals who vote in all the bad policies that make the local public school district a massive shithole.

However, he's missing the point--school buses fucking SUCK. They have some of the district's worst students, arrive very early, and drop off very late, basically creating a literal 2+ hour commute every single day.

This dude was ALWAYS dropped off and picked up in a car, nor gave a SHIT about bus riders through his grade school education.

Right. You can easily find a video where something bad happens on a school bus. Does this mean they all suck? No. But if I was given my own ride why pass it up?

 

[Lemon-Lime Turpentine]

Wait, there are spergs who paradoxically believe that "kids should play outside more" while also believing that suburbs are evil and people should be backed tightly into dense bughives?

It's a circle they can't square, they want people to be like elves and commune with nature almost to the total exclusion of technology beyond stacked blocks and sharpened sticks, but, they also want nature off limits so that the "wrong" kind of people can't enjoy/defile it.

When you realize this is a paradox, you understand where they're coming from - they're miserable commies intent on enforcing total top-down order on society, as all of them have always been.

Another bugman enigma: They want to live in a densely packed community, but they also want everyone to keep their heads down and ignore each other. Brilliant. You want tons of neighbors, but you don't want anything to do with any of them.

At least there are gluten-free avocado paninis within walking distance. You have to DoorDash them anyway to avoid being stabbed by a homeless drug addict, but that's just part of bug life.

I did look into his Reddit history: hates right-wingers, hates Christianity (though not on extensive atheist rants), hates capitalism most of all, weed smoker, frequents r/antiwork (so either he doesn't have a job or works at fast food, I'm guessing), deeply in debt (probably college--said to have attended c. 2006), around age 40 (lines up with college), lives in or around Dallas, Texas... there's a few plausible candidates but it wouldn't be useful information.

His rant on private schools specifically isn't really about traffic or economics, there's obviously some bitterness underneath.

Yeah. Fortunately, no need to speculate. He admits in that thread that his actual grievance is white people having avenues to opt their kids out of cultural enrichment.

Don't be surprised if this guy is also against homeschooling, despite that being an even greater reduction in traffic.

 

[Free the Pedos]

And they don’t get dropped off until you’re home

Really not trying to be rude here, but do you know any parents in the US? “What to do with the kids between school getting out and us getting home from work” is a perennial problem. Most kids are out by 3:30, so they have to let themselves into the house or go to after care if they’re too young for that.

I don't think the district had any issues with number of buses or bus drivers but if the district was obliged to transport her no matter how far (because of the rural areas the school encompassed, some students lived quite a distance away), should've used another vehicle

Having a dedicated vehicle, driver, and insurance for one student is the opposite of efficiency.

 

[Angelic 2 the Core]

Because working hard enough to be able to afford to put your own kids in a safe private school for a good education instead of dysfunctional "diverse" public schools (where very actual learning gets done) shouldn't be allowed. Everyone's children should be forced to be put in a classroom full of poorly behaved, feral jogger and trailer trash students who make it impossible to actually learn anything.