Mega Rad Gun Thread

[8mm Cunningham]

The same gun but with a reflex suppressor that doesn't appear to have a borehole(?)

It's a wipe. They reduce the sound even further (some up to 5db) but wear out.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

Pretty sure I see the slightest hint of a bore hole, but that's a pretty low res picture. You wouldn't put a wipe on anything shooting further than 50m, and probably not anything supersonic since they're loud regardless. Wipes do best on subsonics that are either FMJ, poly tip, or external HP like Lehigh bullets

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

@AGPinochet
Apart from everything else, that SVD all-wood bullpup is pretty sick. Too bad it's probably already buried in a trench or burned up somewhere.

Edit:

-Milled AK receiver
-AK Safety selector
-SKS takedown lever
-Lack of a short strike piston.

Looks like an SKS receiver too (or at least part of one), tacked on the bottom half of a milled AK receiver.

 

[ChampFantana]

Perhaps a bit off topic but does anybody know a game with realistic/the most realistic guns? It seems every vidya changes the rate of fire, magazine capacity, design, or some other thing. Does anyone know a game with a completely accurate depiction of its firearms?

Hunt: Showdown has a genuinely autistic level of detail put into it's late-19th century arsenal. The game ain't for everyone, but it's the only multiplayer game I play at all nowadays.

 

[Rekeita's Kidneys]

I do not know why I cannot respond, but regarding the freedom follower, if I was competent at all with CAD there's no reason you couldn't 3d print it. Hell, there's 5.56 followers for 5.45 AK mags you can print that function pretty damned well.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Hunt: Showdown has a genuinely autistic level of detail put into it's late-19th century arsenal. The game ain't for everyone, but it's the only multiplayer game I play at all nowadays.

Ohh yes.

The best part is that all of those guns are WAAAYYY out of copyright so they actually name them their real names.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

Ohh yes.

The best part is that all of those guns are WAAAYYY out of copyright so they actually name them their real names.

none of them are use their real names except the Mosin, Lebel, Berthier and krag-jorgensen. the rest all have the gay video game name syndrome.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

none of them are use their real names except the Mosin, Lebel, Berthier and krag-jorgensen. the rest all have the gay video game name syndrome.

Yes, it's weird that some are normal and others get the "AKA-47" or similar treatment when the manufacturer doesn't EXIST anymore...

Beyond that their gun details are lovely.

I'll give newer Resident Evil titles (RE7, the remakes and RE have pretty good gun details although they'll sometimes change certain things for copyright or the airsoft guns they use as design references have quirks.

Hell, RE:4 Remake actually portrays a "limp wrist " jam on a H&K USP

 

[Buttigieg2020]

The Taurux TX22 sucks. It gets loads of praise but Ive broken them, not very accurate, the grip is nice though. Mine never comes out of the safe.

Ruger MkIV rules. Can get new shooters hitting a can, standing, with irons, at 100 yards in no time with one. Stick to standard velocity ammo (CCI Standard is my goto, local shop stocks it) and you'll be splitting cunts hairs in half. Pick the variation that gets your jollies off the most. I went with the 22/45 with the blued bull barrel, but the stainless hunter models look sick.

The Taurus is the best .22 pistol I’ve owned.

I’ve also had the exact opposite experience with the ruger mk IV.

Maybe it’s a product of shitty quality control, or maybe it’s all a factor of ammunition.

Even Glock couldn’t make a great .22 pistol, so maybe it’s just an impossible concept.

 

[AGPinochet]

Winchester White Box is officially over the fence raid into Pre-SMO Russia approved (although the previous owners of these rounds might not have been captured like their ammunition was so who knows if it got them kilt in da streetz liquidated in the forests of Belgorod)


The S in SVD Stands for Sureshot


One of a kind SVD Modernization with a Beryl style top rail, possibly handmade by a Ukrainian Unit Armorer


"Gee Ivan, your mom lets you have TWO Suppressed rifles!?"


Jihad is much easier when your GPMG is light, compact and maneuverable


The Jews have not only thrust this upon the world

But also this (Recover Tactical CC3 MAX) (Something something John Shekelinger)


Disguised shotgun seized many a year ago in Sweden


US Coast Guard M110/M110A2 Hybrids (Uppers are new A2's but lowers are originals)




A very poor resolution photo of what is apparently Mikhail Kalashnikov holding an F2000 Prototype


Ah yes, take the Shittiest adjustable gas block mechanism and put it on the BCG

A Canadian is making custom wood furniture for Type 81 rifles

SCARify your FAL Mag

 

[Mikoyan]

That KP-15 is... an idea.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Hey fellas.

A while ago I asked if any of you knew how exactly it was that the anlgo was able to make a black powder muzzle loaded sniper rifle accurate to upwards of a kilometer in the 1860s and while people had a few ideas no one knew for sure. One of you PM'd me and we talked a bit and I promised to send a update if I found anything, but the group chat drama happened (or the conversation was auto deleted, not sure which) and I can't remember which one of you it was so just gonna post it here publicly.

I eventually decided to just say "fuck it" and ask the anglos directly. I got one of my many e-mails up and I sent a e-mail directly to the Royal Armouries since I figured that the only place in the UK full of guns who keeps track of the things and has a collection of all the guns they have ever used might have the best chance to telling me if the info exists.

I am sad to report that Whitworth's original manufacturing process is pretty much lost technology.

This is my original e-mail

Hello.

I am an enthusiast of muzzle loading firearms and currently I have found myself in something of a dead end regarding a particularly rifle from the 1800s and its specific nature. I have had no luck finding anything about my questions and doubts on usual resources I would normally consult for such things and I am reaching out to the Royal Armouries for help as I believe the Armouries and it's museum might, if not provide a direct answer, at least be able to point me in the right direction.

My question has to do with a British firearm and how it was originally built. I have found many a document and discussion on the how it was that it's designer came to the conclusion of how it should be built and the trials he went through, including a primary source written by the designer himself on how he arrived at the conclusions of how he should build the thing and the measurements that would be the most optimal, but nothing about the how it was actually done.

My question is: How exactly did Joseph Whitworth manufacture the twisted hexagonal bore for his Whitworth Rifle in 1854? I can think of a few modern techniques that might have made such a hexagonal spiral work but nothing that would have been available in 1854 comes to mind as being possible to allow for such a thing, not with any sort of precision (which obviously Whitworth had). I can find absolutely no records or testimonies or mentions or descriptions of what sort of arcane machinations Sir Whitworth is supposed to have used to manufacture his rifles anywhere.

As such I turn to this institution. Does the Royal Armouries know how the rifle was made originally? I believe you have a few of the guns in your collection and given the gun, designer and factory were all British this is the closest I have been able to get to the original source of the rifles (I have tried to look the original factory but seems like the Whitworth shop who made them closed long ago).

If you too have no idea, could you provide some pointers to people or places whom might know more?

Regards and awaiting a reply.

Took a few days but I got a reply from the meme man himself Jonathan Ferguson

Dear XXXXX,

My apologies for this slow reply – I’ve just seen your followup and realised that I didn’t hear back from the contact I tried last week – I would normally send a ‘holding’ reply but he is usually so quick that I thought I’d be able to respond quickly in turn.

Having taken a look myself, Whitworth’s original 1854 patent (No.2525) details hoop-and-stave manufacture as well as slits and wedges, both of which can only refer to artillery, I think. There’s nothing in there about how the rifle barrel was made; https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...s, Specifications" "whitworth" "1854"&f=false

Worse still, he mentions and depicts the outside of the rifle barrel being polygonal to match the inside, but doesn’t explain how or why. I don’t think this can possibly indicate heating and twisting – but why else would one fashion the outside in that way? It’s implicit (this source believes it, certainly - https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...="polygonal spiral shape" "whitworth"&f=false) that the rifle rifling is made the same way but isn’t *explicit*. I suspect (as does my contact having just replied whilst I was composing this) he doesn’t explain how it’s done because it was simply cut as per conventional or Metford polygonal rifling, albeit with a specialised tool, possibly reciprocating rather than rotating?

My apologies – a proverbial day late and dollar short, I’m afraid.

And a follow up reply with a little extra context

Just thought to check our sectioned example and I believe you can see the ‘toolmarks’ from cut rifling that has been smoothed out, as it were – certainly no sign of building up per the patent;

https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-9355
^you can zoom in of course.

The alternative is cold hammer forging – you could heat the barrel to remove the mandrel/form. But again, this looks ‘cut’ to me.

So yeah this is kind of a Damascus steel situation now, where we can replicate the result easy with modern tech but have only ideas and theories on how it was done originally and no real idea the fuck they were doing to achieve these results back in the day.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Here's something interesting for CZ-52 owners:

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

Why the fuck does this even exist, this shits so gay

 

[likeacrackado]

Why the fuck does this even exist, this shits so gay

Supposedly it was a passion project of a now deceased employee(owner?) of the company. POF never got around to putting resources into it until after he died, at least thats the story they tell people. Unfortunately its butt-ugly, not unlike POF's other guns, and runs like shit from everything I've heard.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

So yeah this is kind of a Damascus steel situation now, where we can replicate the result easy with modern tech but have only ideas and theories on how it was done originally and no real idea the fuck they were doing to achieve these results back in the day

Absolutely fascinating. It seems that the know how to make it like they did in the 1850s died with Mr. Whitworth and the people directly involved in the rifle's manufacture.

Hopefully some day someone will find some notes on it.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLdsE2cwVY
Y'all were talking all that good shit about your Ruger Marks, but I bet none of you carry like this.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Absolutely fascinating. It seems that the know how to make it like they did in the 1850s died with Mr. Whitworth and the people directly involved in the rifle's manufacture.

Hopefully some day someone will find some notes on it.

My theory, and the Royal Armouries research on it seem to give it some weight, is that Whitworth hard a system to use his engineering research and knowledge of how to make precise screw threads to machine the hexagonal bore out of high quality pressure forged steel barrels. From what Fergunson mentions and the look of the insides of the barrel it is possible too that Whitworth had a reciprocating systems to machine the insides of the barrel into shape and I believe he might has used a similar technique and machines to how he made his standardized screw threads to ensure that repeated passes of the machine would all go precisely on the exact following spot and work out a smooth, flat and precise surface out of the barrels.

Fucking archeotech.

Anyway, here is also some of the stuff Whitworth himself wrote on the subject about trials and ideas. He is however frustratingly vague about how he actually made the barrels.

https://www.google.com.br/books/edi...on_Mechanical_Subje/XMQ2vU3nFD4C?hl=en&gbpv=1 (Specifically the section "Rifled Firearms")

https://www.google.com.br/books/edi...strong_Whitworth_Co/TzRYAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 (Original trial of the rifle against the standard UK Infantry rifle of the time)

 

[Bassomatic]

Why the fuck does this even exist, this shits so gay

Wack laws, trolling and we live in a coomsumer market if it's made it will sell.

No one stops to ask should we.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuLdsE2cwVY
Y'all were talking all that good shit about your Ruger Marks, but I bet none of you carry like this.

That's actually pretty cool; except for the plethora of ammo pouches, and ticklehead production of the video. Otherwise it looks like something seen at a cosplay convention, or someone into steampunk cowboy action.

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TIL it's not a good idea to refinish Arisakas with an original finish....

I can understand it happening back in the first two decades after the war (or so) when original Arisakas were common, but they deserve what they get if someone does it now.