Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

>Comes back to check on thread...
>See the self-professed "good guys" celebrate a terrorist attack
>See the "good guys" clutch their pearls about the "torture" of the terrorists
>See the "good guys" finally point out Nazi patches worn on uniforms

Lol, lmao even.

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>Goes to check the containment thread for news on the attack…
>How could Ukraine/US/Israel do this?!
>Ignore the fact they’re muslim and IS claimed responsibility while providing video.
>People who have spent years unironically crowing about “denazification” cheering on their black sun’d strongman torturers.
>The usual unhinged suspects using the muslim attack to loudly and repeatedly demand killing all Ukrainians and glassing Kyiv.

Sure there are one or two people here posting about a boner for dead Russian civvies, but the containment thread is like 80% absolute loonies who have been posting total Ukrainian death for going on three years now.

If they could just admit they picked a side based solely on russophilia or their hate for the west that’d be fine, instead they cry about muh nazis or muh Ukrainian corruption, muh Russian minority.

Cope, seethe, mald, etc.
 
>See the "good guys" finally point out Nazi patches worn on uniforms

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The guy that posted the video and pictures is a nazi named Topaz who fights for Rusich. This not a case of someone wearing an edgy patch.

"When you kill a pig (ukrainian soldier) You take pleasure in knowing you made woman a widow. You take pleasure in knowing that you made his family cry. You get an erection." - Topaz




This is Alexey Milchakov he is the leader of Rusich. Here he is telling an interviewer that he is a Nazi.
Alexey filmed himself torturing and decapitating a puppy in 2011, and called for the killing of homeless people, puppies and children. He recently posted a picture of himself holding the severed head of a Syrian women he beheaded when he was fighting in Syria. In Ukraine he has cut the ears off of Ukrainians, carved swastikas onto their corpses and his men have beheaded Ukrainian POWs on camera.
 
MOSCOW, March 25 (Reuters) - France on Monday joined the United States in saying intelligence indicated Islamic State was responsible for an attack on a concert hall outside Moscow that killed 137 people, while Russia continued to suggest that Ukraine was to blame.
In the deadliest attack inside Russia for two decades, four men burst into the Crocus City Hall on Friday night, spraying bullets during a concert by the Soviet-era rock group Picnic. Alongside the dead, 182 people were wounded.

Four men of Tajik origin were remanded in custody on terrorism charges at Moscow's Basmanny district court on suspicion of carrying out the attack. Three others, also of Tajik origin, were remanded in custody on suspicion of complicity.
Islamic State has said it was responsible for the attack, a claim that the United States has publicly said it believes. The hardline Islamist militant group has released what it says is footage from the massacre. U.S. officials said they had warned Russia this month of intelligence about an imminent attack.

French President Emmanuel Macron told reporters: "The information available to us ... as well as to our main partners, indicates indeed that it was an entity of the Islamic State that instigated this attack."
"This group also tried to commit several actions on our own soil," he said during a visit to French Guiana.
U.S. officials say their intelligence indicates that an Afghan affiliate, Islamic State Khorasan (ISIS-K), was responsible.

PUTIN HAS NOT MENTIONED ISLAMIC STATE​

President Vladimir Putin has not publicly mentioned Islamic State in connection with the assailants, who he said had been trying to flee to Ukraine with help from "the Ukrainian side".
Ukraine has denied any role and President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has accused Putin of seeking to divert blame.
Macron said that France had offered cooperation to help find the culprits, adding: "I think it would be both cynical and counterproductive for Russia itself and the security of its citizens to use this context to try and turn it against Ukraine."

The White House also dismissed Russian suggestions that the attack was linked to Ukraine. "This is just more Kremlin propaganda," White House spokesman John Kirby said in Washington.
Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova earlier questioned the U.S. assertions.
Writing in the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper, she said the United States was evoking the "bogeyman" of Islamic State to cover its "wards" in Kyiv, and reminded readers that Washington had supported the mujahideen fighters who fought Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s.






Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russia could not comment on the Islamic State claim while the investigation continued, and would not comment on the U.S. intelligence, saying it was sensitive information.
Since the attack, hundreds of Russians have laid flowers outside the Crocus City Hall to remember the victims.
Picnic, the band who had been due to perform on Friday, will stage a memorial concert in St. Petersburg on Wednesday together with a symphony orchestra in aid of the victims, the city's Oktyabrskiy concert hall announced.

VIDEO SHOWS PART OF SUSPECT'S EAR BEING CUT OFF​

Putin said 11 people had been detained, including the four suspected gunmen, opens new tab, who he said had made their way to the Bryansk region, about 340 km (210 miles) southwest of Moscow, to try to slip into Ukraine.
Unverified videos of their interrogations circulated on social media. One was shown having part of his ear cut off and stuffed into his mouth.
One man, Dalerdzhon Mirzoyev, leaned against the glass cage as the terrorism charge was read out. Saidakrami Rachabalizoda, his ear in bandages, remained sitting.
Muhammadsobir Fayzov appeared in hospital clothes in a wheelchair, his face covered in cuts. Shamsiddin Fariduni stood, his face bruised.
Peskov declined to answer a journalist's question about whether they had been tortured.
The same court also remanded in custody two more Tajik natives - father and son Isroil and Aminchon Islomov - and another son, Dilovar, who has Russian citizenship, the Interfax news agency reported.
The federal Investigative Committee said it believed Aminchon and Dilovar had been recruited by Fariduni.
Russian media reported that Dilovar had owned a car used by the attackers. Aminchon asserted his innocence, Interfax said.
Putin ordered a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, triggering a major war after eight years of conflict in eastern Ukraine between Ukrainian forces on one side and pro-Russian Ukrainians and Russian proxies on the other.
The U.S. and its European allies have supported Ukraine, extending billions of dollars of money, weapons and intelligence in a bid to defeat Russian forces.

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The nudge wink blaming of Ukraine for this seems deeply stupid and even more devoid of credibility, even by Russian standards. Filling the information space with nonsense is the basic idea, so the Russian patently don't sweat making nonsense claims.
 
Torture as it is doesn't work for information. The best way to get info is to either bribe or gaslight with the threat of torture for incorrect information. I'm of the same opinion of torture as I am for the death penalty. If you have someone on camera clearly and presently doing heinous shit feel free to torture/kill them as punishment. If there is even a micron of a doubt that shit should be off the table. Problem with this is government workers will obfuscate things. Solution to this is strap 24/7 live streaming cameras into all government workers. Government employees should have zero privacy at all. People with power do not deserve the same rights as those without power.
 
The nudge wink blaming of Ukraine for this seems deeply stupid and even more devoid of credibility, even by Russian standards. Filling the information space with nonsense is the basic idea, so the Russian patently don't sweat making nonsense claims.
no worse than westoid state media putting out shit like this
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yes that thumbnail is real, a western government institution unironically decided to publish that
 
To be believe in things that are obviously contradicted by facts is how the zigger mind operates. Otherwise they wouldn't be ziggers.

Also, having your domestic police be sadistic psychopaths who have government license to torture suspects prior to any kind of investigation is obviously a good thing, and if you think otherwise you are probably a "parent A/parent B" kind of person.

The nudge wink blaming of Ukraine for this seems deeply stupid and even more devoid of credibility, even by Russian standards. Filling the information space with nonsense is the basic idea, so the Russian patently don't sweat making nonsense claims.
All you need to ask is "how do you know". That they planned to escape through BOTH Russian and Ukrainian lines and minefields (funny how the Russian ones are never mentioned) through the frontline of an active war was something Russian authorities just said. It's not claimed to be stated by the suspects and not attributed to any other source. It just appeared out of nowhere. Despite somehow knowing that that was the plan, there's apparently no information on where or how this supposed infiltration through the lines was supposed to occur. How can that be when suspects were captured on their way there and have already confessed to their crimes?
The claim that it's a Russian false flag is far more credible than this bullshit theory, if only because suffiently advanced incompetence can be indistinguishable from malice.

In a normal country it would be an outrage for the president to blow off warnings of a terror attack as enemy propaganda, only to have one of the biggest terror attacks in the country's history occur right after, so why is nobody in the schizo thread mad at Putin? Instead they trawl the web for random Ukrainians who say "lol fuck Russians" and bullshit about how ISIS is an arm of the United States government and also ISIS didn't do it anyway(????).
 
Elon Musk and Pim Tool are a far greater issue than Fuentes and other very low-impact cheesy far right people. And Glenn will never be able to reach so many as Elol does.
I am not cutting these centrists any slack. I don't care they dislike Biden. What, you think I like Dems and Biden? lmao.
I just have priorities.

Stay your hand and read the post I was responding to


If anyone wants to sink any zigger arguments about Zelensky being a zio-globohomo stooge this is pretty effective


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Zelensky standing for Trump against an impeachment isn't exactly what a uniparty-nato puppet would do is it?
 
Stay your hand and read the post I was responding to


If anyone wants to sink any zigger arguments about Zelensky being a zio-globohomo stooge this is pretty effective


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Zelensky standing for Trump against an impeachment isn't exactly what a uniparty-nato puppet would do is it?
Yeah its not like Trump may return to office in 2024 or something and might hold a grudge against Zelensky if he spoke out against him.
 
Yeah its not like Trump may return to office in 2024 or something and might hold a grudge against Zelensky if he spoke out against him.
Ah yes, I'm sure that was totally on Zelsenky's mind in 2019, long before Trump lost the election, and years before Zelensky knew that Trump might be back in office, or that he might need him so much if he was.
 
People who cheer on a place where police openly and unashamedly torture in sordid ways are not exactly reflective. Countries that can only administer justice barbarously are generally making insecure assertions of state power when cold, careful professionalism does so better. No tears for jihad killers, but those with experience of being held by Russian like Shaun Pinner, British soldier turned Ukrainian naval infantryman, justifiably sees public sadism as the usual Russian modus operandi. Given context like a nearby security forces (OMON) base, him seeing it as a 'false flag' is not unreasonable. Bad police worldwide are known for provoking marks into committing crime they solve quickly. Anyhow, sadism is bad and only fools and deviants cheer for it.

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It is endlessly funny to me that they were in hysterics, pearl clutching, struck by agonizing paroxysms over the death of Coach Red Pill in Ukrainian custody because "HE WAS MURDERED AND TORTURED!!!!" even though catching fucking pneumonia in a [most likely] overcrowded prison is not uncommon, yet when the FSB is uploading videos of themselves putting alligator clips on some durka-durka's ballsack and electrocuting him, it's suddenly "THIS IS REAL JUSTICE THE DECADENT WEST COULD NEVER!"

What kind of fucking command structure exists when you have presumably higher-up people in your DHS equivalent openly broadcasting torture of captives? What kind of disarray exists at every level within those ranks for this to occur?

And I'm not going to pearl-clutch myself over these goatfuckers getting their shit fucked up, frankly they deserve it, but most civilized countries that are not Haiti but with snow do this shit behind closed doors and don't send inmates into public court proceedings looking like they got thrown into a fucking blender. But the juxtaposition of: "GONZALO LIRA WAS AN INNOCENT MAN TORTURED TO DEATH BY THE CORRUPT BANDERITES IN UKRAINE" --> "YEAH FEED THAT GOATFUCKER HIS OWN EAR, THIS IS GREAT!" is just way too fucking funny to me.
 
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I don't get hardcore Russia supporters, especially if they're from the West. I kinda get it if you're Russian, rebuilding the empire and all that.
It's terminal contrarinism. You NEED to be against current thing or else you also share an opinion with troons and that's just unacceptable.
It is unacceptable because the terminal contrarinism is being done by the nonmarixist-noncommunist right. While it is entirely second nature for marxist-communist left to automatically opposed whomever the noncommunist right is supporting and allying up with whomever the United States is against. And when a democrat becomes POTUS most to all of the good little communists leftist democrat NPCs get their new marching orders to flipped their positions and memory-holed their previous positions.
 
During and throughout the war on terror countless interrogations were done by both the FBI, CIA, and other government agencies. After years of torture techniques and countless bogus results from said torture many of the interrogators concluded the best way to get results was to enter the room with a hot drink and something for the target to eat. This was for a few reasons:

With Al Qaeda in particular they trained members in resisting torture techniques (waterboarding and beatings) so when they were in the moment they were already resistant to these techniques.

The men were told by their leaders that the american dogs would torture them and do unspeakable things and that is part of the reason why you shouldn't talk.

When the interrogators did the things jihadists said they would do to their prisoners it simply reinforced their teaching that American=Bad and would make them less likely to talk.

As many others have mentioned the typical information you got was faulty because under enough duress you will get someone to confess to anything.

The times they had the most success was defying the expectations of the prisoner. All of a sudden they'd be saying "holy shit these american dogs gave me a meal and gave me a drink and there's no waterboarding. was i lied to?"

None of this matters tho since Russia is not interested in the truth but rather the narrative and you don't need a cooperative prisoner to make one of those.
 
What kind of fucking command structure exists when you have presumably higher-up people in your DHS equivalent openly broadcasting torture of captives? What kind of disarray exists at every level within those ranks for this to occur?
Perhaps the release was authorized by the command structure? Punitive torture has traditionally been a public affair due to its supposed deterrent effect. Putin can't do that now, but he can allow "leaks" to send a message while keeping up the facade of a reasonable leader who would never torture and murder his opponents. He doesn't even have to give an order, he just has to create the environment where it's permissible.
 
After years of torture techniques and countless bogus results from said torture many of the interrogators concluded the best way to get results was to enter the room with a hot drink and something for the target to eat.

The times they had the most success was defying the expectations of the prisoner. All of a sudden they'd be saying "holy shit these american dogs gave me a meal and gave me a drink and there's no waterboarding. was i lied to?"
Basically this from a century ago:
WW1's secret weapon: a friendly chat
'The British expected to be beaten and shot, but this very rarely happened. Instead the initial questioning was very mild and persuasive. The Germans were interested in building up a picture of what made the British tick. They asked some initial questions, then gave the prisoner a coffee and cigar, then turned the conversation to militarily irrelevant details. In this relaxed stage, a lot of military information did leak out.'

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Earlier this year; Russia to begin repairs of damaged Minsk landing ship in 2024
Russia will begin repairs of the Minsk big amphibious assault ship of project 775 of the Baltic fleet damaged by a Ukrainian strike in 2024

"The moored Minsk has damaged superstructure. The repairs will begin this year. The decision has been made," the source said.

Another Crimean source earlier told TASS the Minsk was likely to get the superstructure of the Konstantin Olshansky former big landing ship of the Ukrainian Navy. In 2014, she was abandoned together with 20 other warships in Crimea. Project 775 has a superstructure made of aluminum-magnesium alloy.
 
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