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TVB said:
He didn't produce the Cleveland Show, he co-created it with Mike Henry, and it wasn't that bad. It's not great, but it's very decent for what it was, even if it was afraid to step out of Family Guy's shadows, especially being a spinoff series. Plus, it gave us moments like this
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It still failed though and wasn't well liked even in its day mainly because it's was afraid to step out of family guys shadow.

I wasn't saying it was bad just that it was Seth's folly to undertake it.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
It still failed though and wasn't well liked even in its day mainly because it's was afraid to step out of family guys shadow.
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I literally just said the same thing you said. Also
>failed
>lasted 4 seasons with a total of 88 episodes
Dude, have you not paid attention to the season or episode count? Are you just listening to whatever type of projection your fellow e-celebs have said about the show? If anything, 4 seasons is actually successful. Yes, Seth may have regretted that decision, but it's one of his most overhated which honestly doesn't deserve that much flack
 
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TVB said:
I literally just said the same thing you said. Also
>failed
>lasted 4 seasons with a total of 88 episodes
Dude, have you not paid attention to the season or episode count? Are you just listening to whatever type of projection your fellow e-celebs have said about the show? If anything, 4 seasons is actually successful. Yes, Seth may have regretted that decision, but it's one of his most overhated which honestly doesn't deserve that much flack
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Partly I was misremembering the cleaveland show as lasting that long and though it ended much sooner than 4 seasons and 88 episodes, and also yes to some extent I was remembering public opinion of it not being in its favor. Which while there was some negative feedback, it was indeed overhated upon further thought.


That was a mistake and incorrect judgment on my part, Sorry for that tvb. And yes looking back the cleaveland show wasn't a bad show it's just like you said, too afraid to step out of family guys shadow.


But despite that can we all agree this good times reboot is destin to be another name in a long list of Netflix animated failure? I doubt it'll last longer than the initial number of episodes Netflix ordered. Oh and one last interesting note. Norman Lear is listed as am executive producer, the guy behind the original good times way back when....he's dead. And he died last year at the age of 101 and was most likely retired from television by then. And yes I know animation is in production a year or two before release so it was in production while he was watching the last of his sand tick away. It just seems like desperation to dig a hundred year old man out of retirement just to slap his name on a reboot of something he made in his prime half a century ago.
 
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A Grey Cat said:
But despite that can we all agree this good times reboot is destin to be another name in a long list of Netflix animated failure?
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Yes.
A Grey Cat said:
I doubt it'll last longer than the initial number of episodes Netflix ordered.
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I mean Bordertown only lasted a season and was cancelled, just like how The Winner, Dads and Blunt Talk also lasted a full season and got cancelled, and these were also executive produced by Seth himself
 
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TVB said:
Yes, Seth may have regretted that decision, but it's one of his most overhated which honestly doesn't deserve that much flack
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I think a lot of the flack was due to FOX supposedly cancelling King of The Hill to make room for it. In hindsight, KOTH was already on a downwards trajectory and was likely saved due to the decision, but it was a big sting in the early 2010s.
 
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Basic Blond Boy said:
I think a lot of the flack was due to FOX supposedly cancelling King of The Hill to make room for it. In hindsight, KOTH was already on a downwards trajectory and was likely saved due to the decision, but it was a big sting in the early 2010s.
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Don't forget the fact that sports broadcasting was going overtime on the network making the whole Animation Domination block very difficult to air on Sunday nights. It also didn't matter as the remaining last four episodes would end up on syndication, especially on Adult Swim in which KoTH had aired reruns on following its cancellation. I mean, you can easily make more money by rebroadcasting the show as oppose to airing new episodes on the network that used to air the show on.

By that point, Mike Judge revived Beavis & Butthead for a very short while in 2011, while most of the KoTH writers and crew went on to work with Loren Bouchard for Bob's Burgers, which ended up dominating over the Cleveland Show on the Animation Domination block, causing Cleveland to return to Family Guy (and in addition, cancelled American Dad before TBS shortly took over the series).

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A Grey Cat said:
I'm honestly amazed fox still does an animation domination block on Sundays. You'd think it would have gone the way of cartoon cartoon Friday's what with blocks and marathons being rendered redundant thanks to streaming and or the high seas.
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I think it is mostly still around for merchandise purposes. Simpsons and Family Guy are too big to ever let go and playing them after football keeps them in general circulation much better, so products will still move.
 
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I'm honestly amazed fox still does an animation domination block on Sundays. You'd think it would have gone the way of cartoon cartoon Friday's what with blocks and marathons being rendered redundant thanks to streaming and or the high seas.
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They sorta are. FXX has aired reruns of Fox animated shows both cancelled and current, especially those that don't air on separate networks (i.e. Adult Swim, TBS, Comedy Central, Syfy, etc.)
Basic Blond Boy said:
I think it is mostly still around for merchandise purposes. Simpsons and Family Guy are too big to ever let go and playing them after football keeps them in general circulation much better, so products will still move.
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But the time Fox had American Dad, Futurama, King of the Hill and even the lesser known the PJs was still a memorable time for the network's own animation. Sure, it had a number of flaws, see also horrible shit like Allen Gregory, but even then nobody's perfect. That said, although KoTH was, for a while, very successful during the late-90s through mid-2000s (especially when they even managed to beat the Simpsons in ratings a dozen or more times), and both American Dad and Futurama also happened to be successful during their Fox runs, respectively, those shows didn't give Fox much legroom unlike Family Guy, Bob's Burgers and especially Simpsons as those the were the shows they've been paying more attention to
 
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Trollblade69 said:
Are there any good cartoons anymore? The /co/nsensus seems to be that there's no good shows anymore and people are just worshipping mediocrity because it never has the chance of falling as far as Adventure Time or Steven Universe did and people feel safe in that reassuring nothing.
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Reject modernity, return to 4:3
 
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