Android Raptor wants you to know how much she hates conservative Christians for the billionth time

[Abimelech]

For one Christian extremists in my state legislation deciding...

Being told [...] in school...

But neither of those things has anything to do with Christianity.

If you don't like what your government is doing, vote for someone else, move to a place where the politics better align with your views or start a revolution. Probably the first two options are a lot more realistic than the third. I'm sure California would be happy to have you.

And are you in school? Do you have kids who are in school? No? So why does this even matter?

This still boils down to you having certain very specific problems with certain very specific people.

 

[Android raptor]

Meaning? It's still unacceptable. As in considered murder.

Murder is a very effective problem solver. It's also illegal.

Good thing yeeting an embryo isn't murder, because embryos aren't people.

Unfortunately actual child murder rates are probably going to rise in abortion ban states. There's already a documented correlation between abortion restrictions and bans and an increase in kids being taken into foster care (which is in particular shit shape in red states, as in kids are getting housed in motels and shit because there aren't enough foster homes). As well an an increase in suicide rates of reproductive age females.

But neither of those things has anything to do with Christianity.

If you don't like what your government is doing, vote for someone else, move to a place where the politics better align with your views or start a revolution. Probably the first two options are a lot more realistic than the third. I'm sure California would be happy to have you.

I'm poor and don't have a vehicle

Evangelical Christian beliefs are the excuse being used to micromanage the bodies of girls and women and lie to kids about sexual and reproductive health. And they shouldn't be allowed any government control in a secular country.

 

[Black Man Underwear]

Good thing yeeting an embryo isn't murder, because embryos aren't people.

Unfortunately actual child murder rates are probably going to rise in abortion ban states. There's already a documented correlation between abortion restrictions and bans and an increase in kids being taken into foster care (which is in particular shit shape in red states, as in kids are getting housed in motels and shit because there aren't enough foster homes). As well an an increase in suicide rates of reproductive age females.

I'm poor and don't have a vehicle

Evangelical Christian beliefs are the excuse being used to micromanage the bodies of girls and women and lie to kids about sexual and reproductive health. And they shouldn't be allowed any government control in a secular country.

You just suggested that infanticide was ever acceptable.
It has never been.
Keep up.

 

[Android raptor]

You just suggested that infanticide was ever acceptable.
It is not.
Keep up.

I mean the Romans thought it was pretty acceptable to chuck unwanted babies in piles of manure

 

[Black Man Underwear]

I mean the Romans thought it was pretty acceptable to chuck unwanted babies in piles of manure

Comparing abandonment of deformed children to industrial quantities of child murder.

I'll remind you that Christianity was the reason this non-murderous practice was abolished.

 

[Shig O'nella]

Fun fact, infanticide was one of the go-to ways unwanted pregnancies were dealt with before modern medicine gave use safe and reliable contraception and abortion methods.

Yet there's still a need for, as your article states: "As this account shows, parents ease the killing of a newborn by persuading themselves that it is not yet a child. This idea of the pre-human infant is often formalised in ritual."

Abortion is fine, it's "only a bundle of cells," right? Ain't the Christians insisting on that bit of verbiage.

(I know, actually reading the cited article. Disgusting behaviour, unbecoming for this board.)

 

[Coldgrip]

But neither of those things has anything to do with Christianity.

If you don't like what your government is doing, vote for someone else, move to a place where the politics better align with your views or start a revolution. Probably the first two options are a lot more realistic than the third. I'm sure California would be happy to have you.

And are you in school? Do you have kids who are in school? No? So why does this even matter?

This still boils down to you having certain very specific problems with certain very specific people.

Something you need to understand about our little buck broken dyke is that anytime somebody manages to corner her she'll always try to either move the goalpost or pivot to something unrelated to what you were discussing.

 

[Abimelech]

I'm poor and don't have a vehicle

Evangelical Christian beliefs are the excuse being used to micromanage the bodies of girls and women and lie to kids about sexual and reproductive health. And they shouldn't be allowed any government control in a secular country.

Illegal immigrants are poor and don't have vehicles, yet they make it to California without a problem.

"Evangelical Christian beliefs" are probably used to create public policy where you live because those are the beliefs held by the majority of the people who live there. Makes perfect sense to me.

And our government was never meant to be "secular" in the way you are using that term. The people who founded this nation were overwhelmingly Christian believers, although they came from various backgrounds and denominations. They established the first amendment to the constitution to enshrine freedom of speech and religion, but the purpose of that was to ensure that the government couldn't control religion, not so that edgy atheists could demand that all religious morality be abolished from the public square.

Again, these all seem like personal problems, not problems with Christianity. You are salty that a majority of people around you holds different beliefs than you do. But I don't think you are going to fix that issue by ranting about Bill Gothard on Kiwi Farms.

 

[Black Man Underwear]

Yet there's still a need for, as your article states: "As this account shows, parents ease the killing of a newborn by persuading themselves that it is not yet a child. This idea of the pre-human infant is often formalised in ritual."

Abortion is fine, it's "only a bundle of cells," right? Ain't the Christians insisting on that bit of verbiage.

(I know, actually reading the cited article. Disgusting behaviour, unbecoming for this board.)

I've tried arguing the points given in articles but it descends into a card game of source citations.

Clump of cells clump of cells clump of cells clump of cells clump of cells................

And our government was never meant to be "secular" in the way you are using that term. The people who founded this nation were overwhelmingly Christian believers, although they came from various backgrounds and denominations. They established the first amendment to the constitution to enshrine freedom of speech and religion, but the purpose of that was to ensure that the government couldn't control religion, not so that edgy atheists could demand that all religious morality be abolished from the public square.

Freedom OF religion vs. freedom FROM religion. People have a right to pray in public. Infringement on this right is a violation of this law, not enforcement of it.

But alas, laws say anything you want them to if "interpretation" is law.

Fortunately for me, a Christian Fundamentalist, I believe my rights come from God, not the Government.

 

[Android raptor]

Comparing abandonment of deformed children to industrial quantities of child murder.

I'll remind you that Christianity was the reason this non-murderous practice was abolished.

It was any baby that wasn't wanted and infant abandonment was usually effectively infanticide since foundling had a poor survival rate.

Infanticide continued long after Christianity took over even if people weren't bragging in the streets about it. As the article stated, we only stopped killing our babies when we had less of them.

Abortion is fine, it's "only a bundle of cells," right? Ain't the Christians insisting on that bit of verbiage.

Yep, an embryo is a tiny blob of not much of anything that doesn't have a brain or any semblance of sentience or awareness. It has no capacity to suffer and gives no fucks if it's aborted.

It's a lot more humane to abort an embryo before it develops the capacity to suffer than force it to grow into a kid destined for a life of suffering.

Plus there's the fact that pregnancy can kill you or cause serious, permanent issues and red states lead the nation in maternal mortality.

 

[vomitusdeux]

Good thing yeeting an embryo isn't murder, because embryos aren't people.

Unfortunately actual child murder rates are probably going to rise in abortion ban states. There's already a documented correlation between abortion restrictions and bans and an increase in kids being taken into foster care (which is in particular shit shape in red states, as in kids are getting housed in motels and shit because there aren't enough foster homes). As well an an increase in suicide rates of reproductive age females.

What about crossing state lines? There's entire groups of women dedicated to helping other women take "camping trips" why can't the state decide what it wants at it's core and women go on a "camping trip" or move state entirely though? They help with transportation and everything, so having a car or not doesn't matter. A homeless woman could literally go to a public library and arrange a "trip"

Also if abortion rights were so important to the left as a human right why didn't they at minimal at least attempt to codify it decades before this happened? Like there's a lot of right wing outrage here but the left themselves are the ones who failed to make abortion a human right in the literal decades they had the chance to. Obama era would have actually been the right time to pull that off. But they didn't. Because they don't actually for real care.

 

[Black Man Underwear]

It was any baby that wasn't wanted and infant abandonment was usually effectively infanticide since foundling had a poor survival rate.

Infanticide continued long after Christianity took over even if people weren't bragging in the streets about it. As the article stated, we only stopped killing our babies when we had less of them.

Yep, an embryo is a tiny blob of not much of anything that doesn't have a brain or any semblance of sentience or awareness. It has no capacity to suffer and gives no fucks if it's aborted.

It's a lot more humane to abort an embryo before it develops the capacity to suffer than force it to grow into a kid destined for a life of suffering.

Tell me what you think of curbstomping infants next time you get pregnant.

I'll wait.

Also if abortion rights were so important to the left as a human right why didn't they at minimal at least attempt to codify it decades before this happened? Like there's a lot of right wing outrage here but the left themselves are the ones who failed to make abortion a human right in the literal decades they had the chance to. Obama era would have actually been the right time to pull that off. But they didn't. Because they don't actually for real care.

No left, no right, only Jews.

 

[Android raptor]

What about crossing state lines? There's entire groups of women dedicated to helping other women take "camping trips" why can't the state decide what it wants at it's core and women go on a "camping trip" or move state entirely though? They help with transportation and everything, so having a car or not doesn't matter. A homeless woman could literally go to a public library and arrange a "trip"

Unfortunately those charities don't have unlimited funds and plenty of girls and women are unable to get across state lines. It's not just the cost of the procedure and transportation, it's also having to take time off work, fund childcare, and a whole bunch of other expenses that can be impossible for poor women and girls especially.

I've talked to people who help run those kinds of charities in my state, they've told me these things directly. The state shouldn't be regulating female reproductive organs and no charity is able to provide help to all girls and women.

Btw a Dr I talked said the youngest patient they dealt with effected by my states abortion laws was 11 years old.

Tell me what you think of curbstomping infants next time you get pregnant.

I mean that's what I'm gonna be doing if I get pregnant and can't abort that shit as an embryo lmao

I would think someone like you would prefer an embryo being aborted to actual baby murder (AWWWWWWRIGHTTT!!!!)

 

[Shig O'nella]

Also if abortion rights were so important to the left as a human right why didn't they at minimal at least attempt to codify it decades before this happened? Like there's a lot of right wing outrage here but the left themselves are the ones who failed to make abortion a human right in the literal decades they had the chance to. Obama era would have actually been the right time to pull that off. But they didn't. Because they don't actually for real care.

To be completely fair, it's not just the left that does this with their pet causes.

The political problem with actually solving a problem is you can no longer fundraise/ vote grab off it. It's dead and done. No politician wants that. Their wallet and influence is the thing they hold most dear.

 

[Android raptor]

To be completely fair, it's not just the left that does this with their pet causes.

The political problem with actually solving a problem is you can no longer fundraise/ vote grab off it. It's dead and done. No politician wants that. Their wallet and influence is the thing they hold most dear.

I've never said I was a fan of the democratic party and their antics.

 

[Black Man Underwear]

I'd like to wish you all a happy Easter. May you find Christ's love from heaven.

 

[Android raptor]

I'd like to wish you all a happy Easter. May you find Christ's love from heaven.

But according to Christians around here me and all my friends are going to hell

I should have a penthouse awaiting me in hell at this point if Evangelical whackjobs are right.

 

[Shig O'nella]

But according to Christians around here me and all my friends are going to hell

I doubt it. Purgatory at most.

Hell is reserved for idiots who tell the Lord what to do.

 

[DiggieSmalls]

But according to Christians around here me and all my friends are going to hell

I should have a penthouse awaiting me in hell at this point if Evangelical whackjobs are right.

your existence is already hell, what do you have to fear?

 

[Enoch Emery]

Fun fact, infanticide was one of the go-to ways unwanted pregnancies were dealt with before modern medicine gave use safe and reliable contraception and abortion methods.

Sounds like we need cameras monitoring women 24/7 to stop them from murdering