Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[booklover]

Yesterday (3/21 - get it?) was World Down Syndrome Day.

 

[Chandelier]

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Okay, this makes me MATI because this bitch is lying about the case.
1. Kate took her case to a lower court. Female court allowed the abortion.
2. Texas Supreme Court, under the direction of Ken Paxton, said no, she doesn't have that right because she's not actively dying.
3. Texas has no exemptions for lethal anomalies.
4. No doctor would perform the abortion unless she was actively dying, and even then they must consult hospital lawyers to get permission.
5. The ENTIRE REASON she went to a court WAS BECAUSE SHE LEGALLY WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN ABORTION.
6. She had repeat C-sections and another would jeopardize her life.

If there were clear exceptions she would not have needed to leave the state.

Here's a moid calling her a straight up murderer:

Again, she WENT TO COURT to get permission. Her health WAS at risk. But of course she's a murderer.
Archive here.

 

[Seedling]

Okay, this makes me MATI because this bitch is lying about the case.
1. Kate took her case to a lower court. Female court allowed the abortion.
2. Texas Supreme Court, under the direction of Ken Paxton, said no, she doesn't have that right because she's not actively dying.
3. Texas has no exemptions for lethal anomalies.
4. No doctor would perform the abortion unless she was actively dying, and even then they must consult hospital lawyers to get permission.
5. The ENTIRE REASON she went to a court WAS BECAUSE SHE LEGALLY WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN ABORTION.
6. She had repeat C-sections and another would jeopardize her life.

If there were clear exceptions she would not have needed to leave the state.

Here's a moid calling her a straight up murderer:
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Again, she WENT TO COURT to get permission. Her health WAS at risk. But of course she's a murderer.
Archive here.

Not terminating clear life detrimental anomalies is one retarded (hah) hill to die on.
You're just bringing that baby to a life of suffering not to mention the rest of the family. As painful as it might be the alternative is just a life long worsening of life conditions to everyone involved

 

[Android raptor]

Not terminating clear life detrimental anomalies is one retarded (hah) hill to die on.
You're just bringing that baby to a life of suffering not to mention the rest of the family. As painful as it might be the alternative is just a life long worsening of life conditions to everyone involved

The life of someone with T18 usually isn't very long either. Something like 90% of cases or more die before their first birthday. Longterm survivors are the exception, not the rule.

 

[Seedling]

The life of someone with T18 usually isn't very long either. Something like 90% of cases or more die before their first birthday. Longterm survivors are the exception, not the rule.

That's even more retarded. just doing the whole song and dance of birthing the baby to have it die next month, unnecesary cruelty

 

[Even more 8008135]

That's even more retarded. just doing the whole song and dance of birthing the baby to have it die next month, unnecesary cruelty

The cruelty is the point.

 

[CorvidFag]

I don't know, it sounds like a decision society should make for at least the very worst trisomies. These idiots often inflict enormous costs on society with even a single absolutely useless, not even sentient tard thing that will never even experience life. How many kids who could be saved don't get saved to spend millions of dollars giving heroic medical care to a fucking potato?

Pharmaceuticals make so much money off these people like folks wouldn’t believe. PL, but I had access to support plans and these people were on pages of medications: medications, medications for the side effects of those medications, and then more for those, and most of it goes to Medicaid. Every extremely disabled person on med waiver becomes a pharma slush fund for tax dollars.

 

[Super An Hero]

The life of someone with T18 usually isn't very long either. Something like 90% of cases or more die before their first birthday. Longterm survivors are the exception, not the rule.

Rather than aborting the thing and being done with it, the family would then have to go through the heartache of caring for the child knowing that it's doomed, and then having to bury it afterward. Abortion isn't a picnic but it's better than the alternative.

 

[Android raptor]

Rather than aborting the thing and being done with it, the family would then have to go through the heartache of caring for the child knowing that it's doomed, and then having to bury it afterward. Abortion isn't a picnic but it's better than the alternative.

Yeah abortion of a wanted pregnancy due to severe fetal anomaly is the least shitty option in a completely shit situation, as I've seen one woman who had an abortion for fetal anomaly say.

Even fundies who carry to term to show everyone how life-affirming they are still admit most of their T18 kids died shortly after birth (if they even made it that far, since a lot are stillborn). LifeNews and other prolife propaganda sites will hold up the exceptions that managed to survive longterm but those are a tiny handful of T18 cases (and even the longterm survivors still have serious issues).

T18 is some serious shit, and its considered the most survivable trisomy after Downs too. Too many chromosomes doesn't just make you a tard, it usually kills you.

 

[booklover]

This program appears to have been made about 10 years ago, but just appeared on YouTube. It was made for Australian television.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-loj_zzIuYg

 

[Allo Vera]

Here's a video from a woman with normal facies and intelligence who discovered that she had 3% mosaicism for Down syndrome herself. She's had 4 pregnancies and 3 of them, one of which miscarried, had full Down's. I had no idea this was even possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxzK7bfNcuU

I find mosaicism kind of hard to get my head around, but isn’t it interesting that only 3% of her body’s cells have T21, and yet she’s had so many T21 pregnancies? Or is it a case of the particular genetic test they performed only found 3% in that particular sample?

Watched a Tiktok that explains she’s actually had seven pregnancies, and has three living children. 2/3 of those have Downs. One miscarriage confirmed to be T21.

As of now she’s pregnant AGAIN (she has a pattern of getting knocked up very soon after giving birth each time) with a baby without DS. But considering how young, how fertile and how irresponsible she is, she could roll that genetic dice another half dozen times or more she stops popping out kids. Imagine being on your eighth pregnancy at 24.

 

[Oracular Slug]

I find mosaicism kind of hard to get my head around, but isn’t it interesting that only 3% of her body’s cells have T21, and yet she’s had so many T21 pregnancies? Or is it a case of the particular genetic test they performed only found 3% in that particular sample?

It was 3% of the sample and/or her ovaries are part of that 3%. Stranger things have happened.

 

[AnOminous]

I find mosaicism kind of hard to get my head around, but isn’t it interesting that only 3% of her body’s cells have T21, and yet she’s had so many T21 pregnancies? Or is it a case of the particular genetic test they performed only found 3% in that particular sample?

Maybe the germline cells are all or mostly T21. Sometimes mosaicism affects only one or a few systems.

 

[booklover]

The 3% woman said in the video I posted earlier that she had a heart problem and an identified learning disability, although she has normal intelligence and did not need surgery.

Maybe the germline cells are all or mostly T21. Sometimes mosaicism affects only one or a few systems.

Correct, and these or those cells may go only to the placenta, which probably explains quite a few "wrong" genetic tests, and not just for trisomies.

For example, someone on another board said she had a child with intrauterine growth retardation, and an amnio showed a universally fatal mosaic trisomy. They decided to continue the pregnancy, and were glad they did because the trisomy cells went to the placenta, not the baby. Their daughter was a full-term baby that weighed something like 5 pounds, and had some health issues that resolved after birth now that she didn't have to rely on an insufficient placenta.

 

[Android raptor]

Mosaic trisomy is interesting but I'd imagine the exact prognosis varies with where the effected cells are. You're in a lot less danger if they're in your reproductive organs than heart and lungs, for example.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Maybe I'm heatless but if you have two babies with downs, a statistical abnormality that should make you think something is very wrong, and instead of seeking genetic testing you decide to have another disabled kid you are a fucking disgrace.

Downs is a severe illness in the best of cases and a living nightmare at worst. They're not cute happy childlike people.

>maybe I'm heartless

Bruh I'd fucking brain my kid with a brick if they popped out with downs (that is, if it didn't show up on tests for some reason and was an unwanted surprise, would get abortion otherwise.)
It isn't for fear or hatred, it's a mercy. There are a lot of downies near me that meander around because there aren't many halfway homes for them, only people leaving prison. So it isn't uncommon to see them wander the streets since not wveryone can afford a full time care giver and need a break from their retard.
It's fucking sad, especially the ones that have enough intellegence to work and recognize they will never be normal, and will always be viewed as something disgusting/shameful, even if people deny it, you are programmed to feel that way towards things that are not healthy, and being downs isn't.

People who want to tout those poor bastards as a badge of thou holiest need to be shot.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Here's a video from a woman with normal facies and intelligence who discovered that she had 3% mosaicism for Down syndrome herself. She's had 4 pregnancies and 3 of them, one of which miscarried, had full Down's. I had no idea this was even possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxzK7bfNcuU

Except for rare exceptions involving germline mutations, Down syndrome isn't inheritable unless it's caused by a translocation. I think this woman had to have a mosaic translocation of chromosome 21, which she passed on to her offspring. Basically, all of her chromosomes are present in the right number, but in some cells, the chromosomes aren't all in the right place.

Robertsonian translocation is by far the most common type of translocation resulting in inherited T21, although only about 2% of cases of Down syndrome are caused by a translocation. This type of translocation can also cause inherited trisomies of chromosomes 13 and 18.

People who have a child with any kind of diagnosed trisomy should have genetic testing, because some people are silent carriers. Of course, deciding whether to have more children is a decision only they can make.

It's rare to be a carrier of a trisomy. A true trisomy is a spontaneous occurrence that occurs during cell division (or during gametogenesis). Trisomies, like all aneuploidies, are the result of an event called nondisjunction.

In the case of a Robertsonian translocation, though, the chromosomal abnormality can be inherited. Because this is so rare, testing women who have had just one baby with a trisomy isn't really necessary. Almost all of them will have unaffected subsequent offspring.

Maybe the germline cells are all or mostly T21. Sometimes mosaicism affects only one or a few systems.

Yeah, this is also possible. Germline mosaicism is inheritable, because the mutation occurs in the gonads and affects the sperm or eggs prior to fertilization. It would also sort of make the "3%" thing make more sense, but if only 3% of the woman's eggs were affected, she has terrible luck to have conceived more than one baby with T21.

 

[booklover]

Mosaic trisomy is interesting but I'd imagine the exact prognosis varies with where the effected cells are. You're in a lot less danger if they're in your reproductive organs than heart and lungs, for example.

Until, in this woman's case, she is trying to reproduce.

 

[Android raptor]

7 Tennessee women and 2 doctors are going to court like the Texas women over the states abortion ban denying them abortions for nonviable pregnancies. Including a woman who had warning signs for pre-eclampsia and was forced to continue the pregnancy despite the fetus being diagnosed as nonviable at 15wks (it was ultimately stillborn at 7 months).

Also, some fundies and their dead t18 spudssuper special perfect jesus babies

 

[Dr. Nick Riviera]

7 Tennessee women and 2 doctors are going to court like the Texas women over the states abortion ban denying them abortions for nonviable pregnancies. Including a woman who had warning signs for pre-eclampsia and was forced to continue the pregnancy despite the fetus being diagnosed as nonviable at 15wks (it was ultimately stillborn at 7 months).

Also, some fundies and their dead t18 spudssuper special perfect jesus babies
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Bosco? Bosco is a dog name.

I will never, ever understand why these crazy fundies think that being born to suffer and die is somehow better or more comfortable than abortion, which can basically be euthanasia in utero. Shit, if I was pregnant with a fetus with a devastating diagnosis that would lead to suffering (and yes, more often than not, trisomy 21 is one of those diagnoses), I'd schedule myself for an abortion during a propofol nap. I'm unconscious and anesthetized, fetus is unconscious and anesthetized, it knows no pain. No suffering.

It used to be that certain diagnoses were considered "incompatible with life," and the only ethical treatment was comfort care. Now people are sticking G-tubes, central lines, and tracheostomies in kids who have no chance of a meaningful existence. It is one thing to put a tracheostomy in a kid who's suffered a catastrophic illness or injury from which they can recover. It is QUITE another to put one in a kid who never did and never will breathe on their own.