From Pizzagate to the 2020 Election: Forcing Liars to Pay or Apologize - Michael J. Gottlieb is part of a cadre of lawyers deploying defamation, one of the oldest areas of the law, against a tide of political disinformation.


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From Pizzagate to the 2020 Election: Forcing Liars to Pay or Apologize

Michael J. Gottlieb is part of a cadre of lawyers deploying defamation, one of the oldest areas of the law, against a tide of political disinformation.

From Pizzagate to the 2020 Election: Forcing Liars to Pay or Apologize

Michael J. Gottlieb is part of a cadre of lawyers deploying defamation, one of the oldest areas of the law, against a tide of political disinformation.

“I’ve always despised bullies that pick on defenseless or seemingly defenseless people,” said Michael J. Gottlieb, who has represented clients targeted by political disinformation.

Elizabeth Williamson has covered the Sandy Hook families’ long court battle against Alex Jones for The Times and her book. She reported from Washington.

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Michael J. Gottlieb can never remember the exact amount — it’s $148,169,000— that a jury ordered Rudolph W. Giuliani to pay the Georgia election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss. But Ms. Freeman’s words after the December 2023 victory are indelible to him.

“Don’t waste your time being angry at those who did this to me and my daughter,” said Ms. Freeman, 65, who with her daughter Ms. Moss, 39, was falsely accused by Mr. Giuliani of aiding an imagined plot to steal the 2020 presidential election.

“We are more than conquerors.”

Less than a decade ago, the two women would have struggled to find a lawyer. But Mr. Gottlieb, a partner at the firm Willkie Farr & Gallagher and a former associate counsel in the Obama White House, represented them for free. Convinced that viral lies threaten public discourse and democracy, he is at the forefront of a small but growing cadre of lawyers deploying defamation, one of the oldest areas of the law, as a weapon against a tide of political disinformation.

Mr. Gottlieb has also represented the owner of the Washington pizzeria targeted by “Pizzagate” conspiracy theorists as well as the brother of Seth Rich, a young Democratic National Committee staff member whose 2016 murder ignited bogus theories implicating his family. In the Giuliani case, Mr. Gottlieb, his law partner Meryl Governski and other members of his team worked with Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan group that pushes for laws and policies to counter what it sees as authoritarian threats.

Before the Trump era and the explosion of social media, though, such cases were virtually nonexistent.

“The new information landscape we’re in is a little bit like the Wild West — a lawless space,” said Ian Bassin, a co-founder of Protect Democracy. Lawyers, he said, have turned to defamation, which is legally defined as any false information, either published, broadcast or spoken, that harms the reputation of a person, business or organization. “It’s one of the most effective and only strategies for dealing with these out-and-out falsehoods,” Mr. Bassin said.

In the past few years, more than a dozen high-profile defamation cases have made their way through the courts. A majority have been brought against defendants on the right, but the right brings lawsuits too, often against media organizations.

In 2020 and 2021, The Washington Post, CNN and NBC settled a defamation case brought by Nick Sandmann, a Kentucky high school student, who said the outlets had wrongly described his encounter with a Native American elder as a racially tinged confrontation. Mr. Sandmann’s suit against other outlets, including The New York Times, ended last week when the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

Payouts have been particularly large for defamation cases against the right. In January the lawyer Roberta Kaplan defeated former President Donald J. Trump in court when a jury ordered him to pay $83 million for defaming her client, E. Jean Carroll, a writer he sexually abused. Last year lawyers from the firm Susman Godfrey secured a $787.5 million settlement for Dominion Voting Systems from Fox News, one of the biggest ever in a defamation case, after Fox aired bogus theories falsely linking the company to election fraud. In late 2022 Sandy Hook families defamed by the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones won a total of nearly $1.5 billion from juries in Texas and Connecticut, though Mr. Jones has yet to pay them anything.

In other cases, the people harmed, like Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss, cannot afford lawyers or struggle to find firms willing to pursue defendants unable or resistant to paying big damages, like Mr. Giuliani. Mr. Gottlieb has tried to fill that gap.

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Shaye Moss, center, being comforted by her mother, Ruby Freeman, as she testified in a House committee hearing in 2022. Rudolph W. Giuliani was ordered to pay Ms. Moss and Ms. Freeman $148 million late last year.Credit...Shuran Huang for The New York Times

“The cost of bringing a defamation suit to trial can be enormous, often exceeding a quarter-million dollars’ worth of expenses, to say nothing of the value of attorney time,” said Mark Bankston, a lawyer for some of the Sandy Hook families defamed by Mr. Jones.

Mr. Gottlieb and his team refer to their cases as a “hobby” in service to those whose lives and reputations have been damaged by people with power and large online followings. “I’ve always despised bullies that pick on defenseless or seemingly defenseless people,” Mr. Gottlieb, 47, said in an interview in his K Street office in Washington. “There are so many ways to make your political points without endangering individual people’s lives.”

Mr. Gottlieb’s day job is filled with the powerful client list more typical of big Washington law firms. He has represented Venezuela’s Citgo petroleum company; helped the billionaire Steven A. Cohen beat a potential lifetime ban on managing client money after accusations of insider trading at Mr. Cohen’s former hedge fund; and worked with President Biden’s son Hunter on behalf of a Romanian real estate tycoon whose seven-year prison sentence for corruption was later vacated by a Romanian court.

“I understand there are definitely people who would say, ‘Wait a minute — litigation for Citgo is not the same as the litigation you’re doing for Ruby and Shaye,’” he said. “I feel fortunate to have had a career where I’ve had a wide variety of cases and have a practice that works different skill sets and different parts of my brain.”

“However people want to think about it and look at it is sort of fine with me.”
The Post-Truth World

Mr. Gottlieb, who was a clerk for Justice John Paul Stevens and served on an Obama administration anti-corruption task force in Afghanistan, had his first foray into the post-truth world in 2016. That was when Mr. Jones and his Infowars outlet spread the lie that Hillary Clinton and Democratic Party operatives were running a child sex trafficking ring out of Comet Ping Pong, a Washington pizzeria owned by James Alefantis.

In December of that year, a man who had been binging on Infowars “Pizzagate” episodes fired a rifle inside the restaurant. No one was injured, but the gunman’s trip to Washington to avenge an imagined crime foreshadowed a series of violent attacks by conspiracy theorists, including the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.

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Mr. Gottlieb represented the owner of Comet Ping Pong in Washington who was targeted by “Pizzagate” conspiracy theorists.Credit...Justin T. Gellerson for The New York Times

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In another defamation case, Alex Jones was ordered by juries in Texas and Connecticut to pay almost $1.5 billion to the Sandy Hook families he defamed.Credit...Kirsten Luce for The New York Times

Mr. Jones insisted that the First Amendment protected the lies he had broadcast, like most defendants in these cases. But threatened with a lawsuit, he made an on-air retraction and removed all Pizzagate content from Infowars’ website and social media channels. The full settlement remains confidential.

Soon after the Pizzagate case, Mr. Gottlieb represented Aaron Rich, whose brother Seth Rich, 27, worked for the Democratic National Committee and was gunned down in a botched robbery in 2016. The case remains unsolved, and wild theories that Seth Rich was killed by Democrats spread from online fever swamps to Fox News. Aaron Rich and his parents were implicated in the plots, doxxed and harassed.

“If this had happened to me or my brother or sister and somebody was doing this to my parents, I would go ballistic,” Mr. Gottlieb said. “And no one was helping them.”

In 2018 Mr. Gottlieb and Aaron Rich sued The Washington Times as well as an internet provocateur, Matt Couch, and a businessman, Ed Butowsky, for spreading falsehoods that the two brothers had sold D.N.C. documents in a plot that resulted in Seth Rich’s murder. Mr. Rich eventually received a confidential settlement that included a retraction of the falsehoods spread by both men and the newspaper, as well as an apology to the Rich family. Mr. Rich’s parents retained Susman Godfrey and sued Fox News. They obtained a confidential cash settlement, but no apology.

The Rich case had taken years. At one point Mr. Gottlieb was named in a sweeping defamation lawsuit filed by one of the defendants, which was later dropped.

The aftermath of the 2020 election brought more calls from potential clients. Mr. Gottlieb appealed for help to Mr. Bassin who had served with Mr. Gottlieb in the Obama White House Counsel’s Office.
The Georgia Case

Less than two months later, Mr. Gottlieb and his team were writing the complaint in Ruby Freeman, et al., v. Rudolph Giuliani.

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In December, a jury in federal court in Washington ordered Mr. Giuliani to pay Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss $148 million.Credit...Jim Lo Scalzo/EPA, via Shutterstock

In his frenzied public scramble to make his case that the 2020 election was stolen from Mr. Trump, Mr. Giuliani, the former president’s lawyer, had spread the false story that Ms. Freeman and her daughter Ms. Moss had colluded to falsify results while counting ballots in Georgia. He falsely claimed that a video showing Ms. Freeman handing a small item to her daughter — a ginger mint — was the two women exchanging USB thumb drives “as if they’re vials of heroin and cocaine.”

Mr. Trump echoed the bogus allegations. In an infamous taped phone call with Georgia election officials, Mr. Trump named Ms. Freeman again and again, calling her a “professional vote scammer” and “hustler.”

Threats poured in to the two women. People called them traitors and, using racial slurs, demanded they be lynched or shot. Others banged on Ms. Freeman’s front door and lurked outside her home, forcing her into hiding. Ms. Moss had to give up her job as an election worker and struggled to find work.

Mr. Giuliani said he would prove his innocence. But he failed to submit court-ordered documents, testify or call witnesses. In the courtroom, he fiddled with his phone and rolled his eyes while the two women described their terror.

In December, a jury in federal court in Washington ordered Mr. Giuliani to pay Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss the $148 million. The case was put on hold after Mr. Giuliani declared bankruptcy, and Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss are now suing Mr. Giuliani again, for his continued false statements about them.

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“Don’t waste your time being angry at those who did this to me and my daughter,” said Ms. Freeman. “We are more than conquerors.”Credit...Jim Lo Scalzo/EPA, via Shutterstock

Law for Truth, part of Protect Democracy, has in the meantime filed defamation suits against the makers of the election conspiracy theory film “20,000 Mules”; James O’Keefe, the former leader of Project Veritas, a right-wing group known for its sting operations; and Kari Lake, a candidate for U.S. Senate in Arizona, on behalf of people smeared by lies Ms. Lake told about the 2020 election.

Despite the activity, lawyers who see themselves as crusaders against lies are not declaring victory. Their cases are high profile and target key disinformation spreaders, but they acknowledge that they do not put a dent in more general widespread disinformation, like false statements about Covid vaccines.

“I think these lawsuits may be effective in stemming some of the worst viral disinformation,” said Katie Fallow, a senior counsel at the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University. “But there may be limits to how effective these lawsuits can be when there are other incentives, particularly political ones, to keep spreading it.”
 
You ever notice how overly enthusiastically these people are to tell you about how the shit they are exposing is false? "The false claims that the 2020 election was fraudulent" "spread the false story" "He falsely claimed that a video"? Can you remember a time before Trump broke the mind of these people when this ever happened? It used to be that the claims would just be presented and their status as false was shown or argued normally. But now they feel the need to make EXTRA SUPER SURE you don't even consider it a possibility. No one did this when talking about conspiracy theories before 2015 or so, no one would be this over the top on ensuring you remember it is ALL FALSEHOOD OK?!?!?!? before then. From Moon Landing Hoax to antisemitism to holocaust denial to bigfoot you didn't have people this insecure about it.

Really makes you think.
Yet, they never tell you why it is false. They cannot inform, persuade, or convince, only browbeat and humiliate.
 
The best way to combat disinformation are lawsuits that simply call it "fake, false, Russian bot etc". That will show it to all those conspiracy theorists! How about some nice, clear cut inmformation? Too simple? Or rather too close to thr truth?
 
I'll be sure to be super psy-opped into an easily euthanizable hate criminal next time lmao.
👮‍♂️: "A lot of bears are active in the park right now, so make sure you keep food out of your tents and vehicles for safety. They can be very dangerous!"
🤡: "What do you mean? Yogi Bear is very friendly and all the media bears made tell me they are my cuddly friends!"
👮‍♂️: "Thats just media, in reality they are very unpredictable and potentially highly dangerous. Be careful."
🤡: "So you're saying I should make some spears and charge into a bear's den to commit federal crimes by assaulting wildlife?"

Nobody is telling you to commit a crime, retard. Just be aware of threats arrayed against you.
Do these high level powerful kikes really see themselves as the victim or is it just part of the grift? They're such awesome liars it's really hard to tell.
Would you be surprised to learn that several mental disorders, including paranoid delusions, schizophrenia, and BPD are gene linked to the Jewish population? It raises the risk for any given Jew you meet to have one of these by orders of magnitude. In this case, due to their insular culture its manifested in a tribalistic way complete with contradictory, self-reinforcing beliefs.

To the Jew, they are Chosen, superior, and destined to rule over all non-Jews, which they call cattle. The cattle are somehow aware of, and resistant to this, hence the 'oppression'. Except sometimes, the Jew is demonstrated to be inferior in business, science, or athletics, at which point they must use other means of power to humiliate and humble the arrogant goy. This humbling leads to backlash, which is just the goy rebelling against their righteous rule and so they must all be humbled, and so on until finally all the Jews get expelled.

This tiresome abused spouse/persecution/messiah complex situation delusion is so deeply ingrained that they are they are desperate to manifest in reality to 'prove' their beliefs are correct. So even when it is demonstrated that their mental model is incongruent with reality, or you try to explain how maladaptive it is, they seek to recreate it consciously or subconsciously. Which is a shame, because if the Jews just stopped hating Christians so much and desiring to take over the world and tyrannize everybody then everybody could enjoy the contributions of their people. (Except they keep insisting on lacing everything that could possibly benefiting mankind with barbs and hooks to harm civilization.)

Think of it this way. Say you take the battered wife away from the husband, and she is so locked into her pattern of behavior/expectations that she doesn't believe you won't abuse her so she acts like a bitch to test you, ratcheting up until someone finally snaps and slaps her. Then she gets proved right, and her situation is back to 'normal'.

Same thing, but with a bunch of racists that want to justify White genocide and their own world domination.
 
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Mr. Trump echoed the bogus allegations. In an infamous taped phone call with Georgia election officials, Mr. Trump named Ms. Freeman again and again, calling her a “professional vote scammer” and “hustler.”
Okay.
Threats poured in to the two women. People called them traitors and, using racial slurs, demanded they be lynched or shot. Others banged on Ms. Freeman’s front door and lurked outside her home, forcing her into hiding. Ms. Moss had to give up her job as an election worker and struggled to find work.
Even if I accepted that any of the latter happened, what, if anything, does it have to do with the former?
 
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We lost the public debate so we're going to weaponize the machinery of the state in brazen violation of their first amendment rights.

Interesting take there.
Trump has gained 10 points in swing states due to people seeing this corrupt machinery in action and being angry about it.
 
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It's a shame that 8chan isn't around anymore(the real one). /pol/ had dug up quite a bit of info during Pizzagate that confirms it is anything but a hoax. Shame there wasn't much in a way of archiving that info, at least as far as I know. In fact, I would wager that was when the feds realized the site needed to be taken down, too dangerous when it cannot be controlled like 4chan.
The 2020 election I care less about because Trump asked for it: He and his supported acted like retards and gave media a blank check to write all the hitpieces they want on them. This is more of a humiliation ritual than anything, the MAGA movement died the moment they started locking them up after January 6th. 2024 will be a battle between two senile walking corpses, where as Pizzagate is more relevant today than before with how brazen pedophiles have gotten about being in the open since then.
 
Yeah, how dare voters expect a fair and legitimate election.
Show trials for all of them. None of that "presenting evidence in your favor" shit, and the anit-slapp laws be damned.

(fucking retard)
No actual evidence was ever presented in court and the MIGAs made themselves look like retards all the way thru, especially on January 6th.
What do you even expect will happen this time around? If they stole the election the first time around, why not this time? If they steal the election again, what are you going to do? Have another temper tantrum in the capitol and have even more people thrown in prison? Bitch and cry for 4 more years about it?
Trump and his supporters are retards, impotent ones too. It's not 2016 anymore and "meme magic" didn't end up accomplishing anything, deal with it. Trump is a grifter and whoever remains as his supporter base now is largely uneducated, retarded and full of conspiracy theorists, the media will have a field day demonizing them in the upcoming election.
All of this assuming Trump doesn't go bankrupt or goes to prison in the meantime, of course.
 
No actual evidence was ever presented in court
You can't present evidence if the corrupt judge doesn't let you.
In Guilianni's case there's a literal video showing these specific people stuffing the ballot boxes.
The judge just says "no you can't present it" and suddenly there is no fair trial.

You think it's ok to demand someone produce "discovery materials" they do not have legal custody over, like the judge demanded that Guilianni produce a phone that is in the FBI's possession?!

Judge: you must present this phone
Defendant: the FBI has this phone, do you expect me to take it in an armed raid of quantico?
Judge: DEFAULT JUDGMENT

Get it now, retard?
 
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So is truth still a defence?
This creates a selective pressure for better research and receipt keeping.
 
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So is truth still a defence?
No.
These are democrat machine judges.
Their MO is to demand "discovery" materials that defendants don't have, then declare "default" to prevent them offering a defense.
They brazenly disallow the defendants to present evidence.
They stack the jury with TDS-addled BLM rioters.


In the Jones and Guilianni cases they demanded "discovery" materials that were not legally in their custody, then punished them with "default" when they predictably could not produce it.
(in the Jones case, it was videos in GOOGLE's possession)
(in the Guilianni case, it was phones that were in the FBI's possession)

The point is to bankrupt you so you have no capacity to appeal.
Welcome to the end of the republic, and retards like 30+GameOvers clap over it like horking seals.
 
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You can't present evidence if the corrupt judge doesn't let you.
In Guilianni's case there's a literal video showing these specific people stuffing the ballot boxes.
The judge just says "no you can't present it" and suddenly there is no fair trial.

Get it now, retard?
That sounds like a lot of cope. You're just justifying the journos who already wrote the narrative that 2020 was won fair and square.
Victors get to write history. Get used to it, Trump lost and he will lose again, even if he gets the votes. That's just how this system works. You will never convince anyone that isn't already convinced that there was any voter fraud, it is officially considered a conspiracy theory. One that will have no impact even if proven right anyways, as Trump is never going to get a "redo" and get a new term even if they did steal it.
 
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