Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[SpinelessArtist]

How do you guys feel knowing that trannies specifically chose Easter as the date of celebration of their degeneracy and sodomy, making disgusting "art" of Jesus with zippertits and holding the pedo flag, just to dunk on Christians?

It makes me sad.

 

[Aunt Carol]

How do you guys feel knowing that trannies specifically chose Easter as the date of celebration

Not really; they had this calendar date chosen for a while, but this year it lined up with Easter.

With complete sincerity, I don't know why they don't take all the "queer" holidays and put them during Pride Month. Wouldn't that make the most sense? The whole month is Pride but the first Saturday it's lesbians, the second Saturday it's gays, etc?

 

[SpinelessArtist]

Not really; they had this calendar date chosen for a while, but this year it lined up with Easter.

With complete sincerity, I don't know why they don't take all the "queer" holidays and put them during Pride Month. Wouldn't that make the most sense? The whole month is Pride but the first Saturday it's lesbians, the second Saturday it's gays, etc?

Idk. I saw someone compare Veterans' day, which is just one; to Pride, which is a whole ass month. And it also made me sad. And on the month of my birthday, no less.

This year should be over with already. Seeing Jesus with zippertits took all the hope of a better year out of me.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

Maybe this is just me, but honestly, I'm feeling quietly optimistic that we're going to win this thing and I rather suspect it'll be soon. It won't be without cost, and I have no doubt that they'll be a whole generation of fucked up, pissed off people, but generally? I think normality is going to return. I think in maybe twenty years, popular consensus will be to look back at this with a sort of quietly embarrassed "Huh, that was pretty weird, right?", if it's even looked back on and remembered at all.

Perhaps it's a bad comparison, but I've been thinking a lot, recently, about bronies. Chris (PBUH) getting banned from that brony convention had something to do with it, but I was, I must confess, musing on it before that happened. I've spoken before about how, about ten years ago and for quite some time, bronies used to be completely ubiquitous on the Internet and that you'd see them everywhere you went. Such was their prominence online that, to this day, I know an embarrassing amount of information about My Little Pony and none of it, I hasten to add, was learned by choice.

But look at the state of the Internet now. You don't see bronies any more. The fad's over. The fandom's dead. There are some people that are still into it, true enough, but they're fringe and they were kind of into weird shit like furfaggotry and rule 34 and other creepy, fringe shit to begin with. You don't see anyone proclaiming themselves 'proud to be a brony' any more, like they used to, there aren't people making presentations to their classes about what My Little Pony means to them, it doesn't happen any more. The moment's gone, your average brony from back in the day has moved onto other things (including, I suspect, for a large number of them, being a trans woman).

The one vital difference, admittedly, is that bronies didn't have establishment backing. I mean, yeah, the bronies had corporate support, what with Hasbro appeasing them to try and milk them for their money, but it wasn't on a governmental level - the police wouldn't come knocking for you if you called one of them a horsefucker online, and I think that's going to be a real sticking point in years to come. That's where things will get nasty. But ultimately, I think the appetite for this trans shit will just dissipate among the general population. Troons are narcissists and narcissists always push people too far. The pendulum is already on the backswing. People are, certainly in my country, starting to look at this stuff and go, "Yeah, nah, fuck off, mate."

I dunno, maybe I'm being naive, but I feel strangely hopeful, really.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

Maybe this is just me, but honestly, I'm feeling quietly optimistic that we're going to win this thing and I rather suspect it'll be soon.

100% you are right on the ball. It's when, not if.

That institutional support is entirely why troons alongside a lot of your woke-PC-SJW crap in general is still going well after normies are tired of it and minority normies realized they're being really poorly pandered to. These people realize the 'oppressed' are in fact the ones trying to lord over them in mind as well as action and in turn the 'oppressed' are recognizing the institutions are all they have left and clinging to them for dear life as their latest round of screaming "-IST!" is suddenly not working the way they expect it to.

The smarter trannies are already hand-wringing over the fact that in a lot of one-on-one or small group interactions, people are increasingly calling out their shit and not getting as much flak as they used to... or at all, and no doubt plotting what to do to save whatever lives they have left after trooning out.

 

[Jacques1194]

Maybe this is just me, but honestly, I'm feeling quietly optimistic that we're going to win this thing and I rather suspect it'll be soon. It won't be without cost, and I have no doubt that they'll be a whole generation of fucked up, pissed off people, but generally? I think normality is going to return. I think in maybe twenty years, popular consensus will be to look back at this with a sort of quietly embarrassed "Huh, that was pretty weird, right?", if it's even looked back on and remembered at all.

This is just my opinion, but I think it will really depend on the election outcome of this year.If democrats lose then I could see quite a handful of them wondering "Is appealing to a very tiny minority of mentally ill people worth it in the end?"Hell in 2028 does anyone even think trans crap will even be talked about at all by that point?Obviously I'm not saying these people will ever go away, but the influence and power they have over the political left,msm,and major organizations will probably die down by that point.On the other hand if Biden wins then I can see the left doubling down on trans propaganda, and push for bills similar to Scotland's current one nationwide.Even with Biden's and the left's handmaiden ways, has this ever actually increased "trans acceptance?"It seems like more people are afraid to misgender due to not wanting to lose their jobs,etc than actually believing in the whole "Trans women are women!" line.Either way I dont see trans stuff surviving unless they some how manage to brainwash everyone into believing their dogma.

 

[Susanna]

It seems like more people are afraid to misgender due to not wanting to lose their jobs,etc than actually believing in the whole "Trans women are women!" line.

I still can’t believe anyone genuinely believes they’re women. I have some very nerdy interests, so naturally a few of my online friends either turned out to be trannies, or trooned out after I befriended them. And while they’re nice people (else they wouldn’t still be my friends), they’re certainly not women. Nothing about my interactions with them suggests anything particularly feminine, even when they do things like ask me for hair or skin care advice. They’re gay men, and I think they’d be happier if they just admitted that, rather than trying to turn themselves into something they are not and never will be.

 

[SIMIΔN]

But look at the state of the Internet now. You don't see bronies any more. The fad's over. The fandom's dead. There are some people that are still into it, true enough, but they're fringe and they were kind of into weird shit like furfaggotry and rule 34 and other creepy, fringe shit to begin with. You don't see anyone proclaiming themselves 'proud to be a brony' any more, like they used to, there aren't people making presentations to their classes about what My Little Pony means to them, it doesn't happen any more. The moment's gone, your average brony from back in the day has moved onto other things (including, I suspect, for a large number of them, being a trans woman).

I outgrew the show after season 3 and others have told me the show was a shadow of its former self. It's natural for a fandom to dwindle after 11 years since its peak and 4 years since the show ended. Who ever remembers Game Of Thrones or Avatar? and would go to a convention about them.

 

[Obama phone]

I think transgender ideology will fall out of favor too, but for different reasons. Look at all the stupid shit the medical industry once believed in that would be considered blatant psuedoscience today. Phrenology was disproven, lobotomies were somehow a good idea to people, and eventually people will look back on the entire concept of being transgender the same way. I don't know how anyone can claim puberty blockers don't leave permanent damage or that sex reassignment surgery is anything but genital mutilation when there's mounting evidence to the contrary.

 

[Susanna]

Who ever remembers Game Of Thrones? and would go to a convention about them.

I’d go… So I could whine at GRRM in person.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Aesthetics is thre parts: one, advertising. As in, smaller artist can use a label to tag themselves on social media and a potential audience will form around it. The same with people who repost things.

The second part is forming a small tribal group identity. You gave the example with Nu Metal genre fights, it's people giving an identity to something or saying "X is similar to Y" with a neat little package inside a bigger package. Either way, it's giving a structure to something and letting someone declare what they are and how it makes them (and or everyone who identifies with it) unique. You can look upon discarded art, music, culinary, and dance movements of the past and all see a similar pattern of a genre getting popular, then it splitting, then it splitting further into basically atomization, then the genre quiets down in popularity and the original genre plus a few subgenres are still used to this day. See this website catagorizing electronic music alllll the way back in 1999-2001. There's likely books about genres of things written before their time about niche genres in genres but it would be harder to run across them if you're not searching for them or they went out of print because nobody gave a shit about how some art students in an obscure part of California called themselves a new niche genre of cubism. You can check out trans flag tumblrs to see what narrow personal label maybe 1-4 people used for a few years then grew up and never thought about again.

Thank you for the info. While people have been categorizing things for a looong time, most of the granular, niche specifications didn't spread to the mass because nobody gave a shit in the most part - like the electronic music example. Then it returns back to part one - the internet, hashtag, the advertising, social media profile, you can signal and promote yourself as part of an identity tribe without having o do anything - so something that would've existed in a hole it belonged to ended up spreading to the mass. but I digress about this because it's probably been talked to death.

The one vital difference, admittedly, is that bronies didn't have establishment backing.

Another difference is that transgenderism is a much older thing that bronies - the legal apparatus that backed them up has been around since the 1970s, If you believe in Lindy Effect - then troonism has already outlived lobotomy, and it hasn't peaked yet, so there's a high chance it'll be around for a long time.

Kiwifarms can be a bit of an echo chamber, most people outside this website take a moderate position on troons, even if they're at least skeptical of the madness of TIMs in women sport and child transitioning they might still think that there are people with 'real and honest dysphoria' that they need to support... because to be honest, most want to be kind, and we're told that supporting transgender people is a kind thing to do... but most people don't realise how deep things can go.

I mean... I want to believe that the tide is turning too... but I don't have a lot of hope that it'll be anytime soon.

 

[Stupid Lisa Garbageface]

I'm inclined to agree with the above. I think the current social wave will fall out of favor, like most social waves do, and I'm even optimistic that we'll stop transing children. Hell while I'm being hopeful, maybe it'll even be socially acceptable someday to say "hey this guy with a visible erection doesn't belong in this prenatal yoga class."

But I don't think "transgender" as a concept will ever truly go away. There's too much financial interest in keeping it afloat, too many people who won't ever be able to admit that they were snowed, and then when they all die off, too many men who will always get their kicks from wearing women's underwear.

 

[AMHOLIO]

But I don't think "transgender" as a concept will ever truly go away. There's too much financial interest in keeping it afloat, too many people who won't ever be able to admit that they were snowed, and then when they all die off, too many men who will always get their kicks from wearing women's underwear.

And too many men and women who hate their bodies and their lot in life to ever stop being mad at themselves. Or self-misogynistic/self-midandrynistic. I just hope it turns into more of a fringe movement again, removing most of its power. The luckiest would be dropping the T from LGBT, but there will always be homos trying to become the other gender to cope with failing to be heterosexual (which is only a cultural failing, something they need to not beat themselves up over).

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

Do any of you have any theories if this current "gender mania" among the youth has any relation to the "shame" and "guilt" based societies theory?

I noticed that when it comes to online debates about gender identity in "guilt based" societies, there's this argument that not respecting someone's gender identity could induce them to suicide. Which seems to be pretty in line with "guilt", because if someone commits suicide, it's your fault.
In guilt based societies, trans people often say that they're the same thing as non-trans people, that MTFs have periods just like non-trans women, and that the neovagina is the same as a regular vagina. Even if it isn't.
I also noticed that when I see similar online debates about trans people in "shame based" societies, I don't see trans people using such arguments for some curious reason, they have their own arguments that seem more in line with their cultural standards... Why is that?

In "shame based" societies, most people only tend to care about trans people when they openly call themselves as such.
Some people might notice, comment, but you don't see trans people in shame based societies claiming to be biological equals to non-trans people like you see trans people in "guilt based" societies.
It almost feels that people who live in "shame based" societies treat trans people as their own thing, a third thing, as opposed to guilt societies where someone who transitions to the opposite sex, is the same as the opposite sex, and you cannot deny or argue.

TLDR - Trans people in the west are more aggressive and impose their own beliefs by using guilt, for example, making you feel guilty for causing someone to commit suicide.
Trans people outside of the west are more submissive and impose their beliefs by presenting themselves as victims, they then change the collective mind, and the collective mind exclude those who do not conform through shame.

Spoiler: My personal theories

Perhaps, guilt based societies tend to place themselves more on individual rights, self actualization, and support to their own internal "moral codes". Shame based cultures appear to be more collective, these societies prioritize conforming to what society deems as acceptable in order to avoid shame.
That could explain why in one society you have trans people openly advocating for puberty blockers to minors, because that's what their OWN moral code tells them is right, and others should accept their moral code or face consequences through guilt. You're supposed to feel guilty for not doing the "right thing".
And why in the other, you don't see them saying the same thing. Because they may fear what their society might think about them if they say that out in the open. So instead, they buy time by conforming to society, and then change the definition of "what's culturally acceptable" from there, so the collective ends up accepting them, and those who do not conform with the collective are automatically excluded, and most people are not aware of this.

Basically...
Guilt: "Here's what I believe, and what you should follow, otherwise you're guilty of whatever happens to me and my community. You have blood in your hands, you might cause your trans child to commit suicide, do you want a dead daughter or a happy son?""
Shame: "I'm just like you, I followed the bare minimum of what society deems as acceptable, so you probably should accept me and my community. Don't you feel ashamed of not being accepting like everybody else? Everybody sees us just like any other person, if you don't, then you're probably anti-social and sexist to non-trans people."

We all know that there's the good ol' "American Individualism", and that guilt based societies are more individualistic, and that each person sees themselves as independent entities.
In western nations you see people adopting weird "identities", no matter how absurd, or nonsensical they might seem to the public, because they see it as a personal choice. If they identify with "bun/bunself", "neo-sapphic" with "trans-transreligioustraumacore" then, it's okay, they're individualistic and they only care about what's good for them as a person. They can entrench themselves with people just like them as a replacement for social acceptance.

In shame based societies, people are more "collectivistic" , they see themselves as part of a larger group. It could be society, friend groups, or even family.
So, they still need to "conform" even if they don't want to, which could explain why you only see them identifying themselves as "transmasc" or "transfem". Because their collective society can only understand someone wanting to be a man, or a woman. Anything other than that is too "overwhelming" and makes no sense, so they're either met with apathy or ridicule. So, that's why they identify with the bare minimum so they're not "kicked out" of society.

Could it be religion? Shame based societies seem to be based on religion and tradition, even if the society itself is secularized and the majority people don't pray or read religious books as much. I don't know what relation this could have with western nations and irreligion. But, western nations seem to have a decline when it comes to religion, and that could be influencing the way society itself works.

Spoiler: quick edit: something else I noticed

I noticed that in guilt based societies, there's these "CISHET ALLY" groups.
Perhaps they identify as a cisgender heterosexual ally because they feel guilty of being privileged and not suffering like their genderspecial/non-straight peers, so they support, defend them, and fly their flags as a way to make them feel like they're following their moral code correctly.
In shame based societies, you don't see "CISHET ALLY" as much because to them, not discriminating is enough.
They don't identify as cisgender heterosexual allies because they might feel shame that the collective might perceive them as not straight or even trans. So they're like, "oh shit, I will not identify as an ally because people might think I'm one of them, I will not discriminate them instead so the message is understood by all sides."

 

[Argos]

If anyone's curious about how old-school slashers' mindset compares to the current-day TIF obsession with (putatively) gay fanfic, check out Joanna Russ' essay "Pornography By Women For Women, With Love" in her book Magic Mommas, Trembling Sisters, Puritans and Perverts.

 

[Aunt Carol]

most people outside this website take a moderate position on troons, even if they're at least skeptical of the madness of TIMs in women sport and child transitioning they might still think that there are people with 'real and honest dysphoria' that they need to support... because to be honest, most want to be kind, and we're told that supporting transgender people is a kind thing to do... but most people don't realise how deep things can go.

I think that the average person not wanting to think about "trans" is only helpful to their cause. Up until recently, in a big town someone might be aware of one or two of them, dressed weird but being reasonable in public, and maybe a handful of celebrities and historical cases. It's like that pair of female conjoined twins in the news recently, when 1/2 of them got married. Weird, interesting to briefly think about, doesn't really affect you and of course nobody is changing hundreds of laws to accommodate a very tiny statistical anomaly. If it's just one or two people in a small city, it doesn't change status quo.

In recent years, the definition of "trans" has slowly expanded, and at first the only people who were aware were the ones clued in to the latest discourse by being a beneficiary themselves, or being extremely online, or being a normie impacted negatively and suddenly realizing what has been going on this whole time around them.

Unfortunately, laws are made by people who didn't want to think deeply about "trans" either, so when written they were thinking about the one or two High Autists or bulldykes who also wanted to go along to get along. Instead of changing the laws, they changed the meaning of "trans," which is much easier because it can mean different things to different people, and by now if you bring it up in public everyone knows you're a target.

When a normal person says "trans rights," they assume it just means not being hate crimed or evicted, and maybe something about being able to change the name on their driver's license. When a trans activist says it, it means a whole lot more, but they won't put an asterisk on the protest sign when they hand it to a normie. It's like how people will talk down to you about how "defund the police" doesn't actually mean "defund the police," how stupid could you be to assume a slogan means what it says?

Do any of you have any theories if this current "gender mania" among the youth has any relation to the "shame" and "guilt" based societies theory?

This is an interesting take, and the fact that you have colored maps means it'll be a much easier sell to autists. Is shame-based society kind of the same thing as the Scandinavian phenomenon of Janteloven?

1. Spoiler: Law of Jante

   You're not to think you are anything special.
   [*]You're not to think you are as good as we are.
   [*]You're not to think you are smarter than we are.
   [*]You're not to imagine yourself better than we are.
   [*]You're not to think you know more than we do.
   [*]You're not to think you are more important than we are.
   [*]You're not to think you are good at anything.
   [*]You're not to laugh at us.
   [*]You're not to think anyone cares about you.
   [*]You're not to think you can teach us anything.

Which, honestly, at this point I'd vote for.

 

[Sneedot]

I can't stop thinking how funny it is that TiFs have managed to adopt a typing style that actually comes off as feminine due to sort of sites they spend all day on. I've seen people saying as if it's a sex difference but no, not if you type normally, these True and honest men just all use the dialects of female-dominated Twitter/Tumblr spaces even on other sites like Reddit. For the same reason they also love to blogpost about their feelings.


It's especially jarring and funny juxtaposed to the Reddit/Discord/whatever user TiMs who have no social awareness and just bluntly post about their feti- sorry I mean dysphoria. You'll notice this if you visit r/FtM, even mild sexual topics are usually given massive warnings, then r/MtF, where they slap on the nsfw tag and tell us more about their penis than we ever wanted to know.

 

[Abella]

One of the funniest copes I see from troons and their advocates is that if you don’t like them then it means women don’t want to have sex with you. It really goes to show how pornsick and poisoned their brains are.

 

[LimeRikki]

Today I finally removed it. I am sick of gender being shoehorned into everything, but by going along to get along that's exactly what I enable. I also don't want to be associated with these lunatics, especially in a professional correspondence. It's a microscopic gesture,

Good. Small steps of defiance will still move you forward.

"our identities aren't inherently political!"

Then stop screaming about all these so called "rights" you need the government to give you.

Stop trying to push trans shit via legislation. If you want your identities to stop being political, then you need to stop being political and screaming at other people who are political in ways you disagree with.

Forgiving myself and narrowing my timewindow to consistently making tomorrow marginally better than today helped me escape without being crushed by the illusion that I was to deep to escape the hole I had dug myself into.

Tunnel vision on making tomorrow better is such a poweful tool when you learn how to use it. I know it's helped me, and I'm glad to hear that it has helped someone else.

Troons are narcissists and narcissists always push people too far. The pendulum is already on the backswing

Yes. A narcissist will always tell on themselves and reveal their true colors eventually, it just takes time.

Freaks like Dylan Mulvaney, whose entire social media presence is an ode to narcissism, are helping push things back in the proper direction.

I still can’t believe anyone genuinely believes they’re women. I have some very nerdy interests,

No one does. It might take literal torture for some of them to admit it, but there's not a single person who truly believes that these individuals are actually adult human females.
The urge to be nice to fit in is very strong and can be difficult to overcome, even in non collectivist societies.

I think transgender ideology will fall out of favor too, but for different reasons. Look at all the stupid shit the medical industry once believed in that would be considered blatant psuedoscience today.

Both. It will be both. This movement is going to fall apart for multiple reasons. And that's what's gonna get normal people on board. Not everyone is gonna be against this for the same reason, but as long as people are against it that's what matters.

But I don't think "transgender" as a concept will ever truly go away.

Correct, But I think eventually it will no longer be this mainstream political/cultural thing that it is now.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Both. It will be both. This movement is going to fall apart for multiple reasons. And that's what's gonna get normal people on board. Not everyone is gonna be against this for the same reason, but as long as people are against it that's what matters.

Optimistic as I am that it will fall apart, the real problem is that we are now deep into the legal codification of the initial grievances that drove the entire panic. Laws have been enacted to enforce the new moral framework of troonism, while troons themselves are deeply embedded into core social and economic institutions. What I fear is that, as their movement collapses, their response will be the sabotage and destruction of everything they even tangentially control.