From Pizzagate to the 2020 Election: Forcing Liars to Pay or Apologize - Michael J. Gottlieb is part of a cadre of lawyers deploying defamation, one of the oldest areas of the law, against a tide of political disinformation.


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From Pizzagate to the 2020 Election: Forcing Liars to Pay or Apologize

Michael J. Gottlieb is part of a cadre of lawyers deploying defamation, one of the oldest areas of the law, against a tide of political disinformation.

From Pizzagate to the 2020 Election: Forcing Liars to Pay or Apologize

Michael J. Gottlieb is part of a cadre of lawyers deploying defamation, one of the oldest areas of the law, against a tide of political disinformation.

“I’ve always despised bullies that pick on defenseless or seemingly defenseless people,” said Michael J. Gottlieb, who has represented clients targeted by political disinformation.

Elizabeth Williamson has covered the Sandy Hook families’ long court battle against Alex Jones for The Times and her book. She reported from Washington.

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Michael J. Gottlieb can never remember the exact amount — it’s $148,169,000— that a jury ordered Rudolph W. Giuliani to pay the Georgia election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss. But Ms. Freeman’s words after the December 2023 victory are indelible to him.

“Don’t waste your time being angry at those who did this to me and my daughter,” said Ms. Freeman, 65, who with her daughter Ms. Moss, 39, was falsely accused by Mr. Giuliani of aiding an imagined plot to steal the 2020 presidential election.

“We are more than conquerors.”

Less than a decade ago, the two women would have struggled to find a lawyer. But Mr. Gottlieb, a partner at the firm Willkie Farr & Gallagher and a former associate counsel in the Obama White House, represented them for free. Convinced that viral lies threaten public discourse and democracy, he is at the forefront of a small but growing cadre of lawyers deploying defamation, one of the oldest areas of the law, as a weapon against a tide of political disinformation.

Mr. Gottlieb has also represented the owner of the Washington pizzeria targeted by “Pizzagate” conspiracy theorists as well as the brother of Seth Rich, a young Democratic National Committee staff member whose 2016 murder ignited bogus theories implicating his family. In the Giuliani case, Mr. Gottlieb, his law partner Meryl Governski and other members of his team worked with Protect Democracy, a nonpartisan group that pushes for laws and policies to counter what it sees as authoritarian threats.

Before the Trump era and the explosion of social media, though, such cases were virtually nonexistent.

“The new information landscape we’re in is a little bit like the Wild West — a lawless space,” said Ian Bassin, a co-founder of Protect Democracy. Lawyers, he said, have turned to defamation, which is legally defined as any false information, either published, broadcast or spoken, that harms the reputation of a person, business or organization. “It’s one of the most effective and only strategies for dealing with these out-and-out falsehoods,” Mr. Bassin said.

In the past few years, more than a dozen high-profile defamation cases have made their way through the courts. A majority have been brought against defendants on the right, but the right brings lawsuits too, often against media organizations.

In 2020 and 2021, The Washington Post, CNN and NBC settled a defamation case brought by Nick Sandmann, a Kentucky high school student, who said the outlets had wrongly described his encounter with a Native American elder as a racially tinged confrontation. Mr. Sandmann’s suit against other outlets, including The New York Times, ended last week when the Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

Payouts have been particularly large for defamation cases against the right. In January the lawyer Roberta Kaplan defeated former President Donald J. Trump in court when a jury ordered him to pay $83 million for defaming her client, E. Jean Carroll, a writer he sexually abused. Last year lawyers from the firm Susman Godfrey secured a $787.5 million settlement for Dominion Voting Systems from Fox News, one of the biggest ever in a defamation case, after Fox aired bogus theories falsely linking the company to election fraud. In late 2022 Sandy Hook families defamed by the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones won a total of nearly $1.5 billion from juries in Texas and Connecticut, though Mr. Jones has yet to pay them anything.

In other cases, the people harmed, like Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss, cannot afford lawyers or struggle to find firms willing to pursue defendants unable or resistant to paying big damages, like Mr. Giuliani. Mr. Gottlieb has tried to fill that gap.

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Shaye Moss, center, being comforted by her mother, Ruby Freeman, as she testified in a House committee hearing in 2022. Rudolph W. Giuliani was ordered to pay Ms. Moss and Ms. Freeman $148 million late last year.Credit...Shuran Huang for The New York Times

“The cost of bringing a defamation suit to trial can be enormous, often exceeding a quarter-million dollars’ worth of expenses, to say nothing of the value of attorney time,” said Mark Bankston, a lawyer for some of the Sandy Hook families defamed by Mr. Jones.

Mr. Gottlieb and his team refer to their cases as a “hobby” in service to those whose lives and reputations have been damaged by people with power and large online followings. “I’ve always despised bullies that pick on defenseless or seemingly defenseless people,” Mr. Gottlieb, 47, said in an interview in his K Street office in Washington. “There are so many ways to make your political points without endangering individual people’s lives.”

Mr. Gottlieb’s day job is filled with the powerful client list more typical of big Washington law firms. He has represented Venezuela’s Citgo petroleum company; helped the billionaire Steven A. Cohen beat a potential lifetime ban on managing client money after accusations of insider trading at Mr. Cohen’s former hedge fund; and worked with President Biden’s son Hunter on behalf of a Romanian real estate tycoon whose seven-year prison sentence for corruption was later vacated by a Romanian court.

“I understand there are definitely people who would say, ‘Wait a minute — litigation for Citgo is not the same as the litigation you’re doing for Ruby and Shaye,’” he said. “I feel fortunate to have had a career where I’ve had a wide variety of cases and have a practice that works different skill sets and different parts of my brain.”

“However people want to think about it and look at it is sort of fine with me.”
The Post-Truth World

Mr. Gottlieb, who was a clerk for Justice John Paul Stevens and served on an Obama administration anti-corruption task force in Afghanistan, had his first foray into the post-truth world in 2016. That was when Mr. Jones and his Infowars outlet spread the lie that Hillary Clinton and Democratic Party operatives were running a child sex trafficking ring out of Comet Ping Pong, a Washington pizzeria owned by James Alefantis.

In December of that year, a man who had been binging on Infowars “Pizzagate” episodes fired a rifle inside the restaurant. No one was injured, but the gunman’s trip to Washington to avenge an imagined crime foreshadowed a series of violent attacks by conspiracy theorists, including the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol insurrection.

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Mr. Gottlieb represented the owner of Comet Ping Pong in Washington who was targeted by “Pizzagate” conspiracy theorists.Credit...Justin T. Gellerson for The New York Times

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In another defamation case, Alex Jones was ordered by juries in Texas and Connecticut to pay almost $1.5 billion to the Sandy Hook families he defamed.Credit...Kirsten Luce for The New York Times

Mr. Jones insisted that the First Amendment protected the lies he had broadcast, like most defendants in these cases. But threatened with a lawsuit, he made an on-air retraction and removed all Pizzagate content from Infowars’ website and social media channels. The full settlement remains confidential.

Soon after the Pizzagate case, Mr. Gottlieb represented Aaron Rich, whose brother Seth Rich, 27, worked for the Democratic National Committee and was gunned down in a botched robbery in 2016. The case remains unsolved, and wild theories that Seth Rich was killed by Democrats spread from online fever swamps to Fox News. Aaron Rich and his parents were implicated in the plots, doxxed and harassed.

“If this had happened to me or my brother or sister and somebody was doing this to my parents, I would go ballistic,” Mr. Gottlieb said. “And no one was helping them.”

In 2018 Mr. Gottlieb and Aaron Rich sued The Washington Times as well as an internet provocateur, Matt Couch, and a businessman, Ed Butowsky, for spreading falsehoods that the two brothers had sold D.N.C. documents in a plot that resulted in Seth Rich’s murder. Mr. Rich eventually received a confidential settlement that included a retraction of the falsehoods spread by both men and the newspaper, as well as an apology to the Rich family. Mr. Rich’s parents retained Susman Godfrey and sued Fox News. They obtained a confidential cash settlement, but no apology.

The Rich case had taken years. At one point Mr. Gottlieb was named in a sweeping defamation lawsuit filed by one of the defendants, which was later dropped.

The aftermath of the 2020 election brought more calls from potential clients. Mr. Gottlieb appealed for help to Mr. Bassin who had served with Mr. Gottlieb in the Obama White House Counsel’s Office.
The Georgia Case

Less than two months later, Mr. Gottlieb and his team were writing the complaint in Ruby Freeman, et al., v. Rudolph Giuliani.

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Rudy Giuliani walking between people gathered outside on the street.
In December, a jury in federal court in Washington ordered Mr. Giuliani to pay Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss $148 million.Credit...Jim Lo Scalzo/EPA, via Shutterstock

In his frenzied public scramble to make his case that the 2020 election was stolen from Mr. Trump, Mr. Giuliani, the former president’s lawyer, had spread the false story that Ms. Freeman and her daughter Ms. Moss had colluded to falsify results while counting ballots in Georgia. He falsely claimed that a video showing Ms. Freeman handing a small item to her daughter — a ginger mint — was the two women exchanging USB thumb drives “as if they’re vials of heroin and cocaine.”

Mr. Trump echoed the bogus allegations. In an infamous taped phone call with Georgia election officials, Mr. Trump named Ms. Freeman again and again, calling her a “professional vote scammer” and “hustler.”

Threats poured in to the two women. People called them traitors and, using racial slurs, demanded they be lynched or shot. Others banged on Ms. Freeman’s front door and lurked outside her home, forcing her into hiding. Ms. Moss had to give up her job as an election worker and struggled to find work.

Mr. Giuliani said he would prove his innocence. But he failed to submit court-ordered documents, testify or call witnesses. In the courtroom, he fiddled with his phone and rolled his eyes while the two women described their terror.

In December, a jury in federal court in Washington ordered Mr. Giuliani to pay Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss the $148 million. The case was put on hold after Mr. Giuliani declared bankruptcy, and Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss are now suing Mr. Giuliani again, for his continued false statements about them.

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“Don’t waste your time being angry at those who did this to me and my daughter,” said Ms. Freeman. “We are more than conquerors.”Credit...Jim Lo Scalzo/EPA, via Shutterstock

Law for Truth, part of Protect Democracy, has in the meantime filed defamation suits against the makers of the election conspiracy theory film “20,000 Mules”; James O’Keefe, the former leader of Project Veritas, a right-wing group known for its sting operations; and Kari Lake, a candidate for U.S. Senate in Arizona, on behalf of people smeared by lies Ms. Lake told about the 2020 election.

Despite the activity, lawyers who see themselves as crusaders against lies are not declaring victory. Their cases are high profile and target key disinformation spreaders, but they acknowledge that they do not put a dent in more general widespread disinformation, like false statements about Covid vaccines.

“I think these lawsuits may be effective in stemming some of the worst viral disinformation,” said Katie Fallow, a senior counsel at the Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia University. “But there may be limits to how effective these lawsuits can be when there are other incentives, particularly political ones, to keep spreading it.”
 
“I’ve always despised bullies that pick on defenseless or seemingly defenseless people,” said Michael J. Gottlieb
They'll call themselves a ragtag band of scrappy rebels fighting the evil empire while the entire might of the system crushes their enemies without question. And what's even more fucked, a lot of them believe it.
 
They'll call themselves a ragtag band of scrappy rebels fighting the evil empire while the entire might of the system crushes their enemies without question. And what's even more fucked, a lot of them believe it.
Nothing says a ragtag band of scrappy rebels than having the establishment's legal backing and the sympathy of the establishment's judicial system. You go, #Resistance!
 
They really tried to bury it hard. There is no way there isn't any truth to it, unfortunately the ones involved have gotten away with it by now.
the core of it is true. The elites using human trafficking to have sex with kids. Not all of them. Just some. But the whole comet pizza thing might not be true. It is suspect imho.
 
I hope the right is watching and taking notes.

The Left don't give a single shit about justice or legal neutrality. They gone ahead a weaponized the US justice system to punish and harm their enemies. This is just one of HUNDREDS of cases the Democrat NGO's have filed against any public figure, lawyer or politician who dared to openly support Trump.

Take notes folks and when the tables turn be sure to use the exact same policies and newly established statues to drive out and jail the Democrats who speak out about "not my president" and "stolen elections".

Fair is fair and the wheel always turns. It's about time the Left learns that history is not on their side.
 
You think it's ok to demand someone produce "discovery materials" they do not have legal custody over, like the judge demanded that Guilianni produce a phone that is in the FBI's possession?!

I had never heard this, holy shit:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...g-produce-records-defamation-case-2023-06-23/

Howell found that Giuliani “arbitrarily limited” his search of a database that contained messages and documents in his possession prior to April 2021, when federal authorities seized his electronic devices, and conducted an “imprecise” manual search of messages from after April 2021.

Giuliani’s lawyers maintained this his searches were adequate and argued that it would cost more than $320,000 for him to access the database containing messages from before the seizure of his devices.

What the hell kind of database costs that much just to access?
 
No.
These are democrat machine judges.
Their MO is to demand "discovery" materials that defendants don't have, then declare "default" to prevent them offering a defense.
They brazenly disallow the defendants to present evidence.
They stack the jury with TDS-addled BLM rioters.


In the Jones and Guilianni cases they demanded "discovery" materials that were not legally in their custody, then punished them with "default" when they predictably could not produce it.
(in the Jones case, it was videos in GOOGLE's possession)
(in the Guilianni case, it was phones that were in the FBI's possession)

The point is to bankrupt you so you have no capacity to appeal.
Welcome to the end of the republic, and retards like 30+GameOvers clap over it like horking seals.
You know it's fucking bad when actual politicians are spouting internet drama and meme terms with the meanings warped unironically the last 3 years of this shit. Now you The "alt right" as their usual fearmongering tactic has been going on for a while but then you got the republican guys that are going "THE WOKE MOB" and all shit seems to be skirting over or outright omitting the term "woke" before the sarcastic internet usage of it was keeping true to yourself and being aware of malicious authority manipulation. The reason this is happening is so they can have 2 boogeymen to eternally keep each side of the public in fear of eternally and deflect all criticism, turning to litigation struggle sessions if people don't step in line.
It's all just fucking subversion and corruption to keep the same fuckers' families well paid and in power forever while the lower rungs go "oh no, the guy that said thing was secretly one of the BAD GUY!?"

👮‍♂️: "A lot of bears are active in the park right now, so make sure you keep food out of your tents and vehicles for safety. They can be very dangerous!"
🤡: "What do you mean? Yogi Bear is very friendly and all the media bears made tell me they are my cuddly friends!"
👮‍♂️: "Thats just media, in reality they are very unpredictable and potentially highly dangerous. Be careful."
🤡: "So you're saying I should make some spears and charge into a bear's den to commit federal crimes by assaulting wildlife?"
get a jewwier bear next time for your example this is fucking unrealistic.
 
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the core of it is true. The elites using human trafficking to have sex with kids. Not all of them. Just some. But the whole comet pizza thing might not be true. It is suspect imho.
I think there was sufficient evidence that something fucky was going on in the pizzeria itself. Unfortunately, I don't have the pictures or the info that was passed around on 8/pol/ back in the day, so that proof might be lost. Lesson here about archiving absolutely everything.
 
You ever notice how overly enthusiastically these people are to tell you about how the shit they are exposing is false? "The false claims that the 2020 election was fraudulent" "spread the false story" "He falsely claimed that a video"? Can you remember a time before Trump broke the mind of these people when this ever happened? It used to be that the claims would just be presented and their status as false was shown or argued normally. But now they feel the need to make EXTRA SUPER SURE you don't even consider it a possibility. No one did this when talking about conspiracy theories before 2015 or so, no one would be this over the top on ensuring you remember it is ALL FALSEHOOD OK?!?!?!? before then. From Moon Landing Hoax to antisemitism to holocaust denial to bigfoot you didn't have people this insecure about it.

Really makes you think.
They've even continually tried to meme "The big lie" into being, the title to refer to anything related to claiming there was election interference (from the left) in 2020, while at the same time saying the right is capable of it and that they've done it before. It's just childish.
 
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I think there was sufficient evidence that something fucky was going on in the pizzeria itself. Unfortunately, I don't have the pictures or the info that was passed around on 8/pol/ back in the day, so that proof might be lost. Lesson here about archiving absolutely everything.
There was definitely something very fucky going arund that time but the fact the initial shitpost jokey conspiracy theories of Obama pizza/hotdog order= CHILD SLAVES thing that got people noticing the real weird shit really muddies the waters and makes it feel like that specific pizza place might have been made into a "fall guy" of sorts because the muddying of truth and shitpost can easily allow powers that be to dismiss it all as "extremist conspiracy theories".
A lot of those images and emails are still in youtube videos talking about the shit from around the time that was happening but it's all secondhand shit now which yeah not as helpful.


Nothing says a ragtag band of scrappy rebels than having the establishment's legal backing and the sympathy of the establishment's judicial system. You go, #Resistance!
This shit keeps happening, I pointed this out but it's something that's been happening in media in general the last few years too. The sequel star wars trilogy's protagonist faction is called "the resistance" but they're literally supposed to be the "new" republic's army made up of the rebel alliance pilots and shit. The rebels were republic guys too, but the key difference is the actual republic had turned into an empire due to corruption via palpatine. They wanted to undo that, which makes rebel alliance make sense instead of LITERALLY CALLING YOUR GOVERNMENT MILITARY FORCE THE FUCKING RESISTANCE.
 
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There was definitely something very fucky going arund that time but the fact the initial shitpost jokey conspiracy theories of Obama pizza/hotdog order= CHILD SLAVES thing that got people noticing the real weird shit really muddies the waters and makes it feel like that specific pizza place might have been made into a "fall guy" of sorts because the muddying of truth and shitpost can easily allow powers that be to dismiss it all as "extremist conspiracy theories".
A lot of those images and emails are still in youtube videos talking about the shit from around the time that was happening but it's all secondhand shit now which yeah not as helpful.
I think that was the start of the Qtard cancer infesting /pol/ and eventually taking down the entire site with it. Retarded MIGA boomers were spouting retarded shit and making everyone involved look insane, of course the journos ran with the conspiracy angle.
Trump supporters making fools of themselves is hardly anything new, but of course I can't point that out without looking like a "democrat shill".
 
eventually taking down the entire site with it.
Wasn't the reason the site got taken down the useful idiot NZ facebook shooter edgelord advertising his stream on 8chan, not the retarded Q shit? I mean yeah they used that to frame it like the Q shit was tied to it despite it not being even linked at all, yeah. The guy literally admitting he just wanted to make life worse for everyone and further accelerate censorship shit of the internet later on and them still running with the initial claims till current year long after 8chan was dead and buried really fucking cements how fucked everything is.
 
Wasn't the reason the site got taken down the useful idiot NZ facebook shooter edgelord advertising his stream on 8chan, not the retarded Q shit? I mean yeah they used that to frame it like the Q shit was tied to it despite it not being even linked at all, yeah. The guy literally admitting he just wanted to make life worse for everyone and further accelerate censorship shit of the internet later on and them still running with the initial claims till current year long after 8chan was dead and buried really fucking cements how fucked everything is.
There was a massive influx of Qtard users to 8chan back around the time of Pizzagate, even tho the movement started on 4chan and r/donald. The Qtards ruined 8chan by invading it and boomerifying the entire site, heck when the pig farmer rebooted the site as 8kun he made it tailor made for them(they're the only active board on the site right now, when it works that is). They weren't responsible for the site shutting down, but even if it didn't they would have ruined the site in the future by squatting on it. In a sense, it was a merciful death, but they did show up around the time Pizzagate research was being done and made life worse for everyone involved by doing typical Qtard shit. The 2020 election fraud proceedings were also filled with conspiraboomers in similar vein to Q, making everyone involved look stupid by making unfound claims with no evidence once again, and that might be one of the reasons why Pizzagate and 2020 election fraud is in the same category right now. Of course, the migatards will cope that it's da deep state keeping them down to save face, not just them being retarded in the court of law and judges throwing out their cases on having nearly no grounds. Remember the "2 more weeks" meme? That's from some Q conspira boomer saying she has "secret evidence" that will prove election fraud within 2 weeks.
Never go full Qtard. The moment you let them in, any credibility you or your movement will have is gone.
 
Are we talking about American people? Left leaning ones specifically?
No, nothing will change their minds
Shockingly, yes, a lot will. Half of A&H are lefties who got burned. And the sons and daughters of lefties are realizing just how badly their parents fucked up.
Like Benadryl, those blackpills you're taking are deliriants. You feel like shit, you're tripping balls, and you don't even realize it.

I think that was the start of the Qtard cancer infesting /pol/ and eventually taking down the entire site with it. Retarded MIGA boomers were spouting retarded shit and making everyone involved look insane, of course the journos ran with the conspiracy angle.
The beginning of the end was long before this, with ImKamphy taking over as head Janny of /pol/, opening the floodgates to the r/thedonald crowd. In fact, I'm surprised it took that long for the rot to fully infest the site.
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not just them being retarded in the court of law and judges throwing out their cases on having nearly no grounds
You got it backwards, the prosecutors have no grounds, and the judges refuse to throw out the cases against Trump regardless.
 
You got it backwards, the prosecutors have no grounds, and the judges refuse to throw out the cases against Trump regardless.
I've seen plenty of these cases being dropped simply because the accusers had no proof. What I mean by that is real proof, one that is legally applicable, not some retarded /pol/ tier schizobabble or something you would find on r/donald. If there was anything solid to those claims, then something would have been done. I don't buy this line of bull that every single judge across the entire country got some secret glowie orders to keep the poor boomers down and that's the only reason we haven't heard the real deal.
Shockingly, yes, a lot will. Half of A&H are lefties who got burned. And the sons and daughters of lefties are realizing just how badly their parents fucked up.
Drop in the bucket. Most people are brain dead nigger cattle and there are many more lefties in areas of the country that matter(ie big cities) than right wingers. Nothing will happen and the urbanites will only realize they've been burned when it's too late. In the meantime, they will continue to believe anything the journos write like it's the holy word, as a substitute for actual religion. You cannot win against the system if you actively try to play their game.
 
Pizzagate was waaaay before Q so you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Digging into it was done for quite a while, long enough for the earliest Qtards to start making a scene about da demonrats being responsible. You clearly weren't there, I still remember boomer trump supporters shitting up those threads(as well as the catalog).
 
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