Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Grievous has always had a great design and backstory, but the only time I felt he ever lived up to his potential was in the original clone wars cartoon. It's a shame that Filoni (and Lucas to a much lesser extent) turned him into such a joke.

At least with Lucas, it made sense because the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon ends with Mace Windu permanently crippling General Grievous with a Force Crush aimed at the general's chest. Hence why Grievous is coughing during EP3. Goober that he is, Filoni forgot that and just added the cough anyways, not knowing that Grievous didn't have space asthma until after he met Windu during the Battle of Coruscant.

 

[Mac Monster]

At least with Lucas, it made sense because the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon ends with Mace Windu permanently crippling General Grievous with a Force Crush aimed at the general's chest. Hence why Grievous is coughing during EP3. Goober that he is, Filoni forgot that and just added the cough anyways, not knowing that Grievous didn't have space asthma until after he met Windu during the Battle of Coruscant.

His cough is never given any explanation in the Filoni cartoon, so we are just left to assume that his cybernetics fucked up his lungs.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

His cough is never given any explanation in the Filoni cartoon, so we are just left to assume that his cybernetics fucked up his lungs.

At least when you watch the 2003 cartoon along with the Revenge of the Sith film, you understand why his fighting style is underpowered and why he has that cough.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

At least with Lucas, it made sense because the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon ends with Mace Windu permanently crippling General Grievous with a Force Crush aimed at the general's chest. Hence why Grievous is coughing during EP3. Goober that he is, Filoni forgot that and just added the cough anyways, not knowing that Grievous didn't have space asthma until after he met Windu during the Battle of Coruscant.

To be fair even that felt kind of like trying to slap a band-aid on a festering wound. Grievous was supposed to be pretty clever and not very chatty according to the 2003 series but in the movie he's kind of just a generic goon even ignoring the cough. Mace Windu crushing his chest was apparently Gennady trying to tie it into the movie after learning a bit late what Grievous would be like in the movie (because for some fucking reason Lucas absolutely refused to share any details on the character with Tartakovsky which bit him in the ass when Gennady's version turned out to be WAY better than what Lucas envisioned).

(Come to think of it, that's probably why Grievous has gotten such a bad rap since then, Lucas was probably just salty that he got outdone and tries to humiliate Grievous' character at every given opportunity.)

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

To be fair even that felt kind of like trying to slap a band-aid on a festering wound. Grievous was supposed to be pretty clever and not very chatty according to the 2003 series but in the movie he's kind of just a generic goon even ignoring the cough. Mace Windu crushing his chest was apparently Gennady trying to tie it into the movie after learning a bit late what Grievous would be like in the movie (because for some fucking reason Lucas absolutely refused to share any details on the character with Tartakovsky which bit him in the ass when Gennady's version turned out to be WAY better than what Lucas envisioned).

There doesn't seem to be any proof that Tartakovsky knew what Lucas' Grievous was like. The film came out after the 2003 cartoon. That, and in the actual film, Grievous fought better without lightsabers than with lightsabers. If you look at his fight with Kenobi, the actual lightsaber duel ended quickly, but the later goose chase and the fisticuffs was where Kenobi truly struggled. If it wasn't for that convenient blaster left on the floor, Kenobi would be dead, and Grievous would be laughing.

(Come to think of it, that's probably why Grievous has gotten such a bad rap since then, Lucas was probably just salty that he got outdone and tries to humiliate Grievous' character at every given opportunity.)

Then why did Lucas let the SWEU writers write Grievous as this ultra-badass in the comics and novels? Even outside of the Tartakovsky cartoon, everyone knew that Grievous was a Jedi-killing monster. Lucas' Grievous sucked at the saber-dueling part, but at the fisticuffs and strength part, he was an absolute beast, tanking kicks and electrostaff hits, throwing Kenobi around like a ragdoll, and his strength was established to be far higher than what Kenobi could handle, and the latter lost his lightsaber. Once again, if it wasn't for that gun on the floor, Kenobi would've been just another one of Grievous' Jedi victims.

 

[The handsome tard]

Maturity is accepting Anakin truly wasnt ready for the rank of master. Mf is told no and a few days later the entire order is destroyed by him. Anyone that looks at this sociopathic behavior and still think he was ready is insane.

I mean, Heinrich Himmler once started off as a goodboy Catholic kid who would never commit war crimes, but then, as the years went by and he grew more jaded as a result, he eventually became an occultist war criminal who was Hitler's right-hand man.

You mean that he wasnt born as an evil laughing thunder in the background baby villain? Tell me it aint so, Imperator.

That kind of person would've never been trained as a Jedi. Yoda would've never allowed it.

My autistic/artistic mind already sort of imagined that what if scenario, with Anakin being like this abused animal who seems destined for the dark side but Qui Gon knows that there is light in him and that he just needs to see that the galaxy isnt the wretched place that Tatooine convinced him it was. A darker Anakin with a golden heart underneath. Instead of a good man with darkness inside, he is a bad looking man with goodness inside.

Darth Vader is basically held up like an iconic slasher villain where the mystery of the character is more terrifying. Some took Anakin in the PT like the backstory Rob Zombie gave for Michael Myers in his Halloween remake. Vader's portrayal in Rogue One and Obi-Wan seemed to be not just for the memberberries but to also bring back the mystique of the character.

The difference comes from intent. G.L always meant for Vader's backstory to eventually be explored and built upon. Micheal Myers just was never meant to be truly understood beyond "He is simply, purely, evil", terrifying in his simplicity (and any attempts at expanding on that, remake or sequel, was just a recipe for disaster).

LOL Vader went from the biggest badass in space in ESB to the Emperor's little bitch dog in ROTJ.

He literally bowed down to Sidious in Ep 5. And before you say that Vader was just doing it for image, you arent wrong, Vader hates Sidious with all of his being but he also knows that he cant kill him in a direct fight. Its one thing to act tough and dominant with your underlings but its difficult to do the same with the guy that can smite you by just lifting his finger tips.

Besides, its implied Vader's behavior in Ep 5 wasnt necessarily the norm, he felt much more invested and aggressive in it because it related to his son and their mistakes were possibly making the fateful meeting between them more distant. Normally Vader doesnt fatally force choke people that fail, its usually mostly to make the point across where he is standing in the hierarchy and they better not cross the line again.

A practice dummy for Luke to smack around and for Sidious to manipulate

Vader could never destroy Luke, he just couldnt. He constantly tried to convince himself he would if it came down to it but fighting Luke was a battle he already lost.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Maturity is accepting Anakin truly wasnt ready for the rank of master. Mf is told no and a few days later the entire order is destroyed by him. Anyone that looks at this sociopathic behavior and still think he was ready is insane.

False. Anakin turned because the Jedi tried to kill his best friend, and he wound up accidentally killing a high council master just to save said best friend. If the rest of the Jedi found that out, his goose will get cooked by them, so he had no other recourse but to join Sidious.

Maturity is accepting that none of the Council members save for Windu were ready for the rank of master. They decide to have Anakin, the Chancellor's best friend, spy on the guy. Only an idiot would come up with such a plan. Then later, during the battle with Sidious, anyone not named Windu or Yoda goes down like a stack of bricks. They weren't Jedi Masters, they were a fucking joke. At least Windu knew what a shit idea it was putting Palpatine and Anakin together.

If it were me, we'd promote Anakin to master, then assign him to some dipshit post in the ass end of the galaxy while WE spied on Sidious. Get him out of the way while we kept a stern eye on the old man. Maybe throw Anakin at Grievous or the Wookiees. Throw him somewhere where he won't be able to interfere with us spying on Sidious. Then we'd be able to deal with Sidious rather smoothly once his protector is on the other side of the galaxy, happy with the Jedi Council now that he's a Jedi Master with a seat on said council.

Worst comes to worst, Anakin might hear about Palpatine's death in the hands of the Jedi, but the Jedi can just send Padme to calm Anakin down, and he'll keep his head on the game.

At this point, the criteria for what makes a Jedi Council master is so vague and inconsistent, the Sith Dark Council has better standards. Hey, at least if you spot a Darth who sits on the Dark Council, he was one of millions of Sith who managed to claw his way up to one of the top 12 seats in the Sith Empire, so at least he had to kill someone for that seat. Most of the Jedi Council masters were absolute passengers; none of them could stand up to a Sith save for Yoda, Mace, and Kenobi, and one of them even died to Jango Fett. So at this point, Anakin not being made a master was a crime-especially since right before that, he defeated the mighty Count Dooku, a feat not even Yoda is capable of.

My autistic/artistic mind already sort of imagined that what if scenario, with Anakin being like this abused animal who seems destined for the dark side but Qui Gon knows that there is light in him and that he just needs to see that the galaxy isnt the wretched place that Tatooine convinced him it was. A darker Anakin with a golden heart underneath. Instead of a good man with darkness inside, he is a bad looking man with goodness inside.

Yoda would've kicked his ass out the front door. Luke was overflowing with kindness and goodness, Yoda barely let him in. A darker Anakin with a speck of good underneath, Yoda would've thrown him out the front door.

Also, it is better that we got the Anakin we got. Idealistic about the galaxy around him and happy to help, but he grows frustrated later-WITH THE JEDI. Which explains why he takes his anger out on them later on. If he's just angry with the world, it makes no sense why he'd go extra in killing the Jedi, but if he's frustrated with the Jedi and his master specifically, well, that explains why he goes extra in killing them all.

He literally bowed down to Sidious in Ep 5. And before you say that Vader was just doing it for image, you arent wrong, Vader hates Sidious with all of his being but he also knows that he cant kill him in a direct fight. Its one thing to act tough and dominant with your underlings but its difficult to do the same with the guy that can smite you by just lifting his finger tips.

False. Vader was bowing to Sidious under false pretenses. They were talking nice to each other, but Vader's real plan in ESB is to finish Luke's training, so that he can, and I quote, ''rule the galaxy as father and son.'' Dude was going to go rebel and topple his boss with his son at his side. Where the hell did that plan go in ROTJ?

Besides, its implied Vader's behavior in Ep 5 wasnt necessarily the norm, he felt much more invested and aggressive in it because it related to his son and their mistakes were possibly making the fateful meeting between them more distant. Normally Vader doesnt fatally force choke people that fail, its usually mostly to make the point across where he is standing in the hierarchy and they better not cross the line again.

Implied where? The only reason he wasn't choking people left and right in ANH is because some people outranked him in the Death Star conference room. The moment they were all atomized, he started choking people left and right.

Vader could never destroy Luke, he just couldnt. He constantly tried to convince himself he would if it came down to it but fighting Luke was a battle he already lost.

Then the right move would've been to join the brat and kill the old man. Even Lego Star Wars got this right.

 

[Cheeseknife]

By the way, can guarantee that some of the same people who will complain about characters constantly surviving lightsaber stabbings won't have a single problem with "that character you remember" being miraculously brought back to life. The franchise essentially turns every character nto a Schrodinger's Cat of whether or not the writers decide to use some magic bullshit to bring them back later.

Star War is a complete and utter joke.

 

[TV's Adam West]

I just want Dash back. The real unsung hero of the war.

 

[Male Idiot]

To be fair, people today do act like 9/11 was a lifetime ago. If you tried to act like someone from that time, you'd be seen as crazy or backwards, as if you were a boomer from the 50s.

Some kid born on that day would be a man or a woman now. They could even have kids of their own who never saw the pre-9/11 America and all of its power and decadence. 90s 'Murica was a magical place. A time when people could afford to be naive hippies because their global order ruled the world.

So the OT characters acting like the Clone Wars/Jedi are ancient history is rather accurate to reality. Events from 20 years ago feels like ancient history to most people today, if they actually lived to see 9/11 happen in their life.

I guess that is hard to understand for Europeans. We seethe about centuries old wars like it was yesterday.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I guess that is hard to understand for Europeans. We seethe about centuries old wars like it was yesterday.

Meanwhile, your average Yank sees 9/11 in the same way they see the Fall of Rome or the Renaissance. A distant memory nobody gives a fuck about.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

I recall that book line and the clusterfuck of retcons and inconsistencies were. It was Horus Heresy before Horus Heresy.

Is Doctor Disaster a youtuber that copies Doomcock, or a Doomcock more based sock?

Looks like a copy but I e only come across him recently.

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

I just want Dash back. The real unsung hero of the war.

You spelled Kyle Katarn wrong, bud. A Chad White bearded guy with a cute Asian girl friend who helped destroy the Death Star, single handedly destroyed the Dark Trooper program, and became a Jedi. Disney refuses to include him in their canon because he's way too based.

 

[TV's Adam West]

You spelled Kyle Katarn wrong, bud. A Chad White bearded guy with a cute Asian girl friend who helped destroy the Death Star, single handedly destroyed the Dark Trooper program, and became a Jedi. Disney refuses to include him in their canon because he's way too based.

Civvie 11, what are you doing here?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You spelled Kyle Katarn wrong, bud. A Chad White bearded guy with a cute Asian girl friend who helped destroy the Death Star, single handedly destroyed the Dark Trooper program, and became a Jedi. Disney refuses to include him in their canon because he's way too based.

He's basically Space Chuck Norris. Too manly for the ''Force is Female'' crowd.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I just want Dash back. The real unsung hero of the war.

You spelled Kyle Katarn wrong, bud. A Chad White bearded guy with a cute Asian girl friend who helped destroy the Death Star, single handedly destroyed the Dark Trooper program, and became a Jedi. Disney refuses to include him in their canon because he's way too based.

The way Disney Wars is, dead is better.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Looking through the SWTOR encyclopedia, it's so fun to learn about the Sith Empire and the way they ran things. The Sith show a surprising amount of generosity in how they run their Empire. They keep the masses in line through military discipline and sharing the spoils; every citizen of the Empire is expected to serve in the army, and every citizen gets a piece of the action from conquered worlds; the Sith shower their citizens with treasure seized from conquered worlds, and conquered slave species are parceled out to Imperial households. It's basically a bandit kingdom run by Psychic Space Hitlers. Also, the armor of the Sith troopers is similar to the armor worn by Republic Commandos during the Clone Wars; both are made from a material called duraplast, which can resist energy attacks to a good extent.

Just watched the recent BB episodes, and it tugs on emotional strings by having the Empire experiment on Force-sensitive kids that they're having bounty hunters round up for Project Necromancer. But it begs the question, why doesn't the Empire brainwash these kids to become spies? That was the plan Palpatine was trying to pull off in TCW when he hired Cad Bane to kidnap potential Jedi kids. These kids seem to be slated to be exterminated once the Empire has finished with experimenting on them, since Doctor Hemlock advises a female doctor working with him to not be emotionally attached with the kids, and of course, Filoni can't pass up another chance to make the Empire look evil. But not only is that a massive waste, it also contradicts TCW's plotline where Sidious was trying to get any Force-sensitive kid he can lay his hands on to create a spy corps with Force-sensitives using their powers to be his eyes and ears.

If anything, they should've stuck with the plot started by TCW. If I were writing the episode, Sidious himself would visit the imprisoned kids, periodically handing out treats like candies, toys, and video games, talking to the kids about making the galaxy better, gaining the kids' trust, and once they've gotten enough genetic samples from the kids, he begins their formal training in the Force, teaching them certain tricks, like small-scale telekinesis, reading minds with telepathy, sensing life-forms with the Force, and finally, he starts taking them on trips around the jungles of Mount Tantiss to train them as spies, using the Force to peer through the jungle and find things that he's hidden in the woods.

Then in later episodes, these kids would be using their special sight to find the enemies of the Emperor, and they start giving orders to the clones, the TK troopers, and even Hemlock's clone operatives, since Force-sensitive spooks in the Imperial hierarchy will always take precedence over muggle goons who can't touch the Force, especially if said Force-sensitive spooks take orders directly from the Emperor. When one of the operatives questions why he's taking orders from kids, one of the kids reveal that they have the Emperor's seal, and that his authority supersedes that of Hemlock's or any other Imperial's, and if anyone questions the Emperor's authority, they're in for a world of hurt. Then one of the kids starts to use the Force to choke the questioning operative, only to let him go with a warning, saying that those who wield such powers are the true rulers of the Empire.

It's just that the Palpatine I know is more of a corruptor rather than someone who would waste such valuable resources.

 

[Male Idiot]

The Sith system reminds me of Starship troopers. Except its mandatory.

Sith act like sort of nobles, and they drsin the resources of conquered planets, while their citizens prosper but need to serve, a bit like Roman legionaries.

Go, fight, if you survive you retire with slaves. Praise Caesar Wowram or who.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Sith system reminds me of Starship troopers. Except its mandatory.

Sith act like sort of nobles, and they drsin the resources of conquered planets, while their citizens prosper but need to serve, a bit like Roman legionaries.

Go, fight, if you survive you retire with slaves. Praise Caesar Wowram or who.

Basically, yes. It is practically Starship Troopers but with magic nobles at the top.

 

[The handsome tard]

I like how after The Acolyte, there seems to be this acceptance phase most of the non shill fanbase is going through where they accept that old Star Wars is never coming back and this is it for now on. Nearly all of them are done holding out hope that Star Wars will do some sort of miraculous recovery and I know nearly all of us already went through this with TLJ but dont lie and act like a small part of you werent hoping that the franchise would somehow pull it through?

Either way, seems like non shills are just done trying to pretend they still enjoy this corporate fanfiction. The media can spin the dislikes on the trailers how much they want, we know its because actual fans that somehow stuck around have finally reached their limit.

I can almost feel the cultural pendulum is threatening to finally start to swing the other way, tho we are still a long way before that happens, what simply happened is that its finally slowing down so it can stop and then swing right back to the other side.

False. Anakin turned because the Jedi tried to kill his best friend, and he wound up accidentally killing a high council master just to save said best friend. If the rest of the Jedi found that out, his goose will get cooked by them, so he had no other recourse but to join Sidious.

Are we just ignoring context here or what?

Said BFF was a Sith Lord with too much control in politics to ever be properly tried fairly. The Jedi Order was fucked if he lived or died but at least the sith would be gone.

Accidentally ? You can say Anakin did an impulsive move but what was his plan assuming Palpatine didnt turn Mace into Kentucky Fried Windu? Be like "Opps, my bad, but uhhh, I had to!". Anakin was impulsive but its clearly he knew what he was doing. If you want to argue he regretted it, thats another story.

And if he would get "cooked" by them, I dont think so. The Jedi only kill active threats (and before you say Palpatine wasnt an active threat anymore, just because he wasnt blasting lightning anymore, doesnt mean he wasnt still a threat on the greater scheme) and if Anakin showed legit regret, they would certain banish him from the order but not kill him.

I just want Dash back. The real unsung hero of the war.

You spelled Kyle Katarn wrong, bud. A Chad White bearded guy with a cute Asian girl friend who helped destroy the Death Star, single handedly destroyed the Dark Trooper program, and became a Jedi. Disney refuses to include him in their canon because he's way too based.

Dash and Kyle are two awesome characters that I want Disney to stay as far away as humanly possible from. I remember how we used to be excited to see Legends characters appearing in Disney canon but its at the point we just legit dread when that happens because we know they are in for character assassination lane.

Just watched the recent BB episodes, and it tugs on emotional strings by having the Empire experiment on Force-sensitive kids that they're having bounty hunters round up for Project Necromancer. But it begs the question, why doesn't the Empire brainwash these kids to become spies? That was the plan Palpatine was trying to pull off in TCW when he hired Cad Bane to kidnap potential Jedi kids. These kids seem to be slated to be exterminated once the Empire has finished with experimenting on them, since Doctor Hemlock advises a female doctor working with him to not be emotionally attached with the kids, and of course, Filoni can't pass up another chance to make the Empire look evil. But not only is that a massive waste, it also contradicts TCW's plotline where Sidious was trying to get any Force-sensitive kid he can lay his hands on to create a spy corps with Force-sensitives using their powers to be his eyes and ears.

If anything, they should've stuck with the plot started by TCW. If I were writing the episode, Sidious himself would visit the imprisoned kids, periodically handing out treats like candies, toys, and video games, talking to the kids about making the galaxy better, gaining the kids' trust, and once they've gotten enough genetic samples from the kids, he begins their formal training in the Force, teaching them certain tricks, like small-scale telekinesis, reading minds with telepathy, sensing life-forms with the Force, and finally, he starts taking them on trips around the jungles of Mount Tantiss to train them as spies, using the Force to peer through the jungle and find things that he's hidden in the woods.

Then in later episodes, these kids would be using their special sight to find the enemies of the Emperor, and they start giving orders to the clones, the TK troopers, and even Hemlock's clone operatives, since Force-sensitive spooks in the Imperial hierarchy will always take precedence over muggle goons who can't touch the Force, especially if said Force-sensitive spooks take orders directly from the Emperor. When one of the operatives questions why he's taking orders from kids, one of the kids reveal that they have the Emperor's seal, and that his authority supersedes that of Hemlock's or any other Imperial's, and if anyone questions the Emperor's authority, they're in for a world of hurt. Then one of the kids starts to use the Force to choke the questioning operative, only to let him go with a warning, saying that those who wield such powers are the true rulers of the Empire.

It's just that the Palpatine I know is more of a corruptor rather than someone who would waste such valuable resources.

Ah yes, the classic "Why didnt they do X or Y?" when talking about Disney's star wars...

The answer, my friend, is rather very simple...They are just very incompetent writers and trying to imagine a better version of their moronic plots is a waste of creative juices because you know they are not sending their best to handle this franchise and they never will anymore.

The Sith system reminds me of Starship troopers. Except its mandatory.

Sith act like sort of nobles, and they drsin the resources of conquered planets, while their citizens prosper but need to serve, a bit like Roman legionaries.

Go, fight, if you survive you retire with slaves. Praise Caesar Wowram or who.

Sith arent cartoon villains, they crave power and control but many of them can be "reasonable" when it comes to creating a functional political system. Sith are more dangerous towards each other rather than civilians because, well, why would they bother? They arent competition.