Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Carnavoyeur]

Men doing this are always either perverts or too autistic to understand the inappropriateness of the situation. There is no scenario in which an older non-family-member man needs to be a mentor or support system to a teen girl. There is no shared life experience or understanding there. No man I know would say that they would see it as their place to talk to some teen girl with advice. Teachers sometimes find themselves in that position since they are mandated reporters but a good teacher will quickly get the right resources involved and not play therapist to a student.

This goes for both genders. But women who come on to teen boys don't often deny it by saying they just wanted to be a friend or mentor etc.

@Lorne Armstrong is the only guy that a teen girl can reach out to. He's good to talk to.

I mostly agree with you but this doesn't seem to be a troubled young girl in need of emotional support or a friend like the scenarios you describe. There was obviously a power imbalance there, she was an aspiring artist and he was an established artist (never mind the fact that she was 17 and he was like 38 at the time). But just based off of my own experience--I wanted to be a comic book artist growing up and all of my mentors and connections were men in their 30s simply because it is a male-dominated field, and in any career you need connections to get ahead. Art especially.

Just based off of the messages she leaked, he did say some inappropriate shit (the "naughty girl" stuff is gross) but grooming? He told her that her art was good and she considered that "gassing her up". She claims he asked her to come over but in the DMs he said she could crash in a spare bedroom if she's ever in his state. That's the only evidence she provided. When he asks if she's 17 or 18 he appears to be asking in reference to art she showed him, and while that very well could have been nefarious (we'll never know because he's dead), let me tell you, the older I got it would blow my mind (still does) when teenagers are good at art. I am sure over the years I've said things like "I can't believe you're X years old, this is amazing" to younger artists.

She also says "he found me simply by me liking one of his pictures" that is... such a fucking weird thing to say. So when you get a like from a stranger on social media you don't go see who it was? Lol okay.

Ed was a maladjusted weirdo and a perv but this chick's claims of "grooming" and "he likes little highschool girls" just come off to me like a girl who grew up a little and realized he said some inappropriate shit but she blew it way out of proportion and people were quick to jump to ED IS A PEDOPHILE GROOMER, CUT ALL TIES WITH HIM IMMEDIATELY, LET'S GET A NEWS CREW AT HIS PARENT'S HOUSE. I dunno, maybe he really was and that's why he killed himself--as someone said earlier sometimes abusers will just do that as a big fuck you to everyone.

I will say the majority of the people I know who knew Ed well are mourning him, and not dancing on his grave or even saying anything about the allegations, even the lefty types who would otherwise be like "yeah it sucks he's dead but think of his victims!" Unless he was just really fucking good at hiding another side of himself, that's kind of telling to me.

 

[AngryAboutInternets]

Nah, a dude can legally marry a minor of pretty much any age with parent's permissions in California.

On the one hand I want to make a joke about California not qualifying as the first world, but on the other hand I wasn't actually aware the law there was that lenient and it's pretty shocking.
I'm wondering how many people now think that initial rant was an endorsement of child marriage or some shit because they didn't read the second half where I literally say the scenario 1 is contrived and explain the actual point. Really wish I had the ability to operate in 160 character posts to get my point across better but unfortunately my autism demands long-windedness.

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To be clear to everyone: That post is LITERALLY an argument about why using the law to determine right and wrong is stupid, and works better as an argument against degeneracy at all ages than it does as an argument for allowing 16 year olds to fuck. The entire point of the example is:

1. To grab attention
2. To illustrate a highly uncomfortable and morally grey (but still morally biased) situation where the law is black and white (and in near-perfect reverse to average morality)
3. To place modern sexual morals against those of a century ago

If you read the post and thought I was trying to say it was okay to fuck kids, delete your Twitter account please.

 

[Fapcop]

Not an argument. So you're cool with much older men isolating your daughter to 'teach her things'?

It may come as a surprise to you, but not every man is a predatory POS.

 

[mlanguishi]

It may come as a surprise to you, but not every man is a predatory POS.

Android Raptor would make you suicide yourself for that notion.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

Looking at this situation, it’s seemingly like an Twitter FAGGOTRY.

 

[CorvidFag]

A guy at his big age who knows internet drama getting dumpstered by an egirl leaking dms is natural selection.

 

[Chazzed Up]

@Jamila To be clear, I didn't say he groomed her. I just don't buy the 'I wanted to just be friends' line. Unless you're pretty severely neurodivergent, shall we say, 40 year olds don't have much to talk about with a 17 year old. That's why I said it'd be more honest for people to just argue for lower AoC than to invent disingenuous copes about how they want to be friends. Sex is about the only thing a middle-aged person has in common with a 17 year old.

If he wasn't a coward the suicide note would say he made a misjudgment and got sexual with a young person.

It may come as a surprise to you, but not every man is a predatory POS.

I agree with that. That's why I said most men aren't going to hang out one on one with a younger girl that they don't have sexual intentions toward. A coach or a music tutor or something, sure, they may spend some time one on one with a student. But that's not the same as acting like it's normal to be 41 and hang out with some stranger girl. I haven't met many men in that age range who would think a 17 year old girl is interesting to be around independent of sexuality.

 

[Marvin]

In most cases (including this case), it's shit to blame anyone for a suicide other than the person who did the flip.

An old dude flirting with a young adult is creepy and it's fair for her to make that public. He could deal with a bit of embarrassment. But he must've had something more going on, even considering him losing business deals, to have killed himself. It's sad he couldn't get help with whatever he was struggling with.

Everyone sperging about this is terrible.

 

[mlanguishi]

If he wasn't a coward the suicide note would say he made a misjudgment and got sexual with a young person.

Killing yourself this way isn't non-cowardly to me. He should've just said nothing and let it blow over or say 'I didn't break any laws' (if he didn't) and let it blow over.

 

[AmpleApricots]

What a pointless way to die. Why are so many men in their 40s acting like angsty teenagers these days?

 

[Kulee Baba]

@Jamila To be clear, I didn't say he groomed her. I just don't buy the 'I wanted to just be friends' line. Unless you're pretty severely neurodivergent, shall we say, 40 year olds don't have much to talk about with a 17 year old. That's why I said it'd be more honest for people to just argue for lower AoC than to invent disingenuous copes about how they want to be friends. Sex is about the only thing a middle-aged person has in common with a 17 year old.

If he wasn't a coward the suicide note would say he made a misjudgment and got sexual with a young person.

And for real, if you’re an accomplished artist, and now a new whole goal you have is want to help mentor the future well there’s a more professional way you can do that. You organize free teaching courses. You could do that online or I’m sure high schools would be interested as an extra curricular activity.

The only time you have strangers crash at your place and you’re not looking to fuck em is if they’re a starving musician/stand up comic who all are looking for couches to sleep on instead of sleeping in the van. And even then I think people only do that because they wanna snort coke with people they have a fondness towards.

 

[hairazor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPe6VcjlaCQ

This youtuber came across as a female Ed Piskor for the longest time, anyone else familiar with this channel?

 

[Chazzed Up]

Killing yourself this way isn't non-cowardly to me. He should've just said nothing and let it blow over or say 'I didn't break any laws' (if he didn't) and let it blow over.

Yeah I rethought that after I posted it. I guess what I meant was if he was dead set on offing himself because he felt his reputation would never recover no matter what he said. The friend thing is the typical milquetoast response sex pests/pedos give to save face. And I'm not suggesting that 17 is necessarily pedo range because I'm not interested in this turning into an AoC debate, just that the same thing is said by people who go after much younger teens.

 

[Kung Pow]

Just leaving this here, for luck.
Trying to pass your suicide as murder isn't that far away from falsely accusing someone of a crime, especially over internet bs.
Your mental health is your responsibility.

 

[Fleetwood]

How old was the girl? Was she legally able to drive? Was it something where she was passed around? Is EVS blaming Eric July?

Damn this escalated quickly first Ed was being accused of some sexually depraved shit. Next the man makes himself look guilty as shit by offing himself. I have so many questions like what exactly did Ed Piskor do?

What a pointless way to die. Why are so many men in their 40s acting like angsty teenagers these days?

 

[mlanguishi]

Yeah I rethought that after I posted it. I guess what I meant was if he was dead set on offing himself because he felt his reputation would never recover no matter what he said. The friend thing is the typical milquetoast response sex pests/pedos give to save face. And I'm not suggesting that 17 is necessarily pedo range because I'm not interested in this turning into an AoC debate, just that the same thing is said by people who go after much younger teens.

Roiland is fucked up over things. But he's rich enough not to care. Jonathan Majors, I think fucked up even worse and is ruined but also, rich from what he did. This guy was barely hanging on, maybe facing homelessness or who knows. Gotta be messed up to do this anyway.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Roiland is fucked up over things. But he's rich enough not to care. Jonathan Majors, I think fucked up even worse and is ruined but also, rich from what he did. This guy was barely hanging on, maybe facing homelessness or who knows. Gotta be messed up to do this anyway.

Holy fuck I forgot about Roiland. I guess he had to go for women in the only age group that finds his personality relatable.

 

[JennFerrousSS]

Anyone else think his story of Jim Rugg coming by and hugging him and saying he still loves him after publically cutting ties, is an attempt to tar Rugg with that as contreversy to try and hurt him as Rugg 'hurt' him by cutting ties?

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Of course the cancelers won't have this added to the kill count on their wikipedia page

 

[Vandy2]

That's really not the case this time. The comics industry is tiny and infected wall-to-wall with wokesters, so Piskor was 100% over and done in the field he loved and worked in for 20 years. 100%. Every limp dick publisher, editor, and anyone else with any clout were already lining up to outcast him without checking into the story.

Now, I wouldn't have offed myself, the vast majority of people wouldn't have offed themselves, but this wasn't a "lol, like nigga just close your eyes" situation. They were already taking everything from him over some barely even spicy DMs.

The accusations really weren't that damning, theres no reason he couldn't have recovered from this. And you really don't need a big publisher or editor or whatever else to have a career in comics. It's easier now than ever to publish independently and underground comix have been a thing since forever. Comics are definitely not lacking in anti-woke fans people would have still bought from him.
Sucks he lost deals but there's no reason he couldn't have gotten a normal job in the meantime while his reputation recovered but he chose to off himself out of spite. "Internet bullies" can't kill anyone.

But I'm a also a firm believer in if it'd ruin your reputation if your DMs were leaked maybe you shouldn't be sending those DMs.