Billie Eilish, Pearl Jam, 200 artists say AI poses existential threat to their livelihoods - Artists say AI will "set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of our work."


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Billie Eilish, Pearl Jam, 200 artists say AI poses existential threat to their livelihoods

Artists say AI will "set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of our work."​

On Tuesday, the Artist Rights Alliance (ARA) announced an open letter critical of AI signed by over 200 musical artists, including Pearl Jam, Nicki Minaj, Billie Eilish, Stevie Wonder, Elvis Costello, and the estate of Frank Sinatra. In the letter, the artists call on AI developers, technology companies, platforms, and digital music services to stop using AI to "infringe upon and devalue the rights of human artists." A tweet from the ARA added that AI poses an "existential threat" to their art.

Visual artists began protesting the advent of generative AI after the rise of the first mainstream AI image generators in 2022, and considering that generative AI research has since been undertaken for other forms of creative media, we have seen that protest extend to professionals in other creative domains, such as writers, actors, filmmakers—and now musicians.

"When used irresponsibly, AI poses enormous threats to our ability to protect our privacy, our identities, our music and our livelihoods," the open letter states. It alleges that some of the "biggest and most powerful" companies (unnamed in the letter) are using the work of artists without permission to train AI models, with the aim of replacing human artists with AI-created content.

In January, Billboard reported that AI research taking place at Google DeepMind had trained an unnamed music-generating AI on a large dataset of copyrighted music without seeking artist permission. That report may have been referring to Google's Lyria, an AI-generation model announced in November that the company positioned as a tool for enhancing human creativity. The tech has since powered musical experiments from YouTube.

We've previously covered AI music generators that seemed fairly primitive throughout 2022 and 2023, such as Riffusion, Google's MusicLM, and Stability AI's Stable Audio. We've also covered open source musical voice-cloning technology that is frequently used to make musical parodies online. While we have yet to see an AI model that can generate perfect, fully composed high-quality music on demand, the quality of outputs from music synthesis models has been steadily improving over time.

In considering AI's potential impact on music, it's instructive to remember historical instances where tech innovations initially sparked concern among artists. For instance, the introduction of synthesizers in the 1960s and 1970s and the advent of digital sampling in the 1980s both faced scrutiny and fear from parts of the music community, but the music industry eventually adjusted.

While we've seen fear of the unknown related to AI going around quite a bit for the past year, it's possible that AI tools will be integrated into the music production process like any other music production tool or technique that came before. It's also possible that even if that kind of integration comes to pass, some artists will still get hurt along the way—and the ARA wants to speak out about it before the technology progresses further.

“Race to the bottom”​


The Artists Rights Alliance is a nonprofit advocacy group that describes itself as an "alliance of working musicians, performers, and songwriters fighting for a healthy creative economy and fair treatment for all creators in the digital world."

The signers of the ARA's open letter say they acknowledge the potential of AI to advance human creativity when used responsibly, but they also claim that replacing artists with generative AI would "substantially dilute the royalty pool" paid out to artists, which could be "catastrophic" for many working musicians, artists, and songwriters who are trying to make ends meet.

In the letter, the artists say that unchecked AI will set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of their work and prevent them from being fairly compensated. "This assault on human creativity must be stopped," they write. "We must protect against the predatory use of AI to steal professional artist' voices and likenesses, violate creators' rights, and destroy the music ecosystem."

The emphasis on the word "human" in the letter is notable ("human artist" was used twice and "human creativity" and "human artistry" are used once, each) because it suggests the clear distinction they are drawing between the work of human artists and the output of AI systems. It implies recognition that we've entered a new era where not all creative output is made by people.

The letter concludes with a call to action, urging all AI developers, technology companies, platforms, and digital music services to pledge not to develop or deploy AI music-generation technology, content, or tools that undermine or replace the human artistry of songwriters and artists or deny them fair compensation for their work.

While it's unclear whether companies will meet those demands, so far, protests from visual artists have not stopped development of ever-more advanced image-synthesis models. On Threads, frequent AI industry commentator Dare Obasanjo wrote, "Unfortunately this will be as effective as writing an open letter to stop the sun from rising tomorrow."
 
And spreading shitty propaganda and beliefs via jewish-funded songs poses an existential threat to MY livelihood.
but these fuckers can learn to code for all I care.
They are, and then they're the coders who program the algorithms which censor people like you and me. Stop telling these "people" to learn to code.... they are, and it's making everything shittier.
 
I actually do worry about ai ruining music. Not because it will make better music than humans, but because what's to stop ai from churning out millions of different songs and making it so that humans can't make music without having to share profits or be sued by the ai that already made a similar sounding song? There's only so many sounds a person can make, but with ai, they could make all the possible combinations and make it to where any new song created by humans will sound close enough that the ai company can sue.
 
However, will AI add the human level to a song?
Dave Mustaine wrote songs to get one-up on Metallica who kicked him out of the band.
Metallica wrote a full album while mourning the death of their best friend and bassist, Cliff Burton.
Mikael Akerfeldt was dumped by his girlfriend, walked into the studio and wrote a song. Can AI have that human emotion to it?
AC/DC wrote Back In Black whilst mourning the loss of one of the greatest rock frontmen of all time.
David Bowie wrote Blackstar while he was on his death bed.
Fleetwood Mac wrote Rumours whilst every single band member's personal lives were a hot mess and they were off their tits on all the drugs.

Many such cases.
Or will Ai music be niggercattle level of pop music? If it is, then fuck the pop stars. Let those entitled cunts go broke.
Yes.
 
I actually do worry about ai ruining music. Not because it will make better music than humans, but because what's to stop ai from churning out millions of different songs and making it so that humans can't make music without having to share profits or be sued by the ai that already made a similar sounding song? There's only so many sounds a person can make, but with ai, they could make all the possible combinations and make it to where any new song created by humans will sound close enough that the ai company can sue.
Nothing that draconian and Orwellian regulations can't solve!

Jokes aside, I hardly see this being the case since everyone can make their own shitty songs. I guess that's the beauty of AI, is that it seems to be at the reach of everyone. Unless some faggot really tries to make it like "Only our government approved AI companies can do that!"
 
There's a simple solution for this: actually being creative. AI can't make truly original work. It can make derivatives, mash things together, and it may even create something really impressive because it involves combining things you would have never thought could be combined, but it can't make something totally new, and it may never. I find it really hard to be sympathetic when all these people are basically doing the same thing an AI could. All music sounds like Taylor Swift now. And I know it's not just me getting old, I clearly remember as a teenager hearing a Jessica Simpson or Christina Aguilera song and thinking it was Britney Spears, because that all sounded the same too.
 
Nothing that draconian and Orwellian regulations can't solve!

Jokes aside, I hardly see this being the case since everyone can make their own shitty songs. I guess that's the beauty of AI, is that it seems to be at the reach of everyone. Unless some faggot really tries to make it like "Only our government approved AI companies can do that!"
Even if everyone has the ability to use ai, you already know the big music industry players will have better ai and will churn out way more than the average musician could ever hope to do.

Taylor Swift has already set the precedent to sue anyone that makes music that sounds even remotely like hers - she made Olivia Rod share over 50% profits on a song she made. Taylor Swift claimed that one part of Olivia's song sounds like her. I listened to it, and no one in their right mind would say "Yeah this sounds just like Taylor's song!", it's just Taylor Swift being a music industrial bully and now setting a horrifying precedent that will make it very difficult for up and coming artists. Even if they make popular music that earns them a ton of money, they won't end up making much money once other artists sue them for sounding "similar" and force them to share more than half the profits.

With that in mind, I can picture ai being used to just churn out as much music as possible, knowing eventually new music made by humans will end up sounding similar and they will have to share profits.

Tbh I think everyone is coping when they "just make good music", ai is going to fuck things up.
 
"a bunch of artists complained" is not a counterpoint to generative AI and it will not save human culture from impending change. every machine is an optimization project. engines optimize transportation. air conditioning optimizes room temperature. the purpose of computers is to optimally reproduce specific kinds of human thought, such as numerical analysis, searching and sorting, and now, generating digital media. now, it's not like we have an indisputable definition of consciousness or anything, but I think we can take for granted that generative algorithms do not have self-consciousness and are therefore incapable of self-expression. what they are designed to do is simply replicate existing media by making educated judgments about what the final product should look like. this makes AI art fundamentally different from the ideal of human art. the problem is that the overwhelming majority of human art, especially today, is commercial bullshit that isn't made to express anything individual. think about the Patreon hentai artist that churns out a dozen images a month that are all just variations on the same theme. that is the dude who is in danger of being made obsolete by generative AI (and was one of the first and most popular applications of image generating software, lol). but something like a masterwork of film or literature, something fundamentally different than its predecessors even in a small way, that represents a novel viewpoint or way of thinking, is not something a machine is capable of intentionally creating. of course, those achievements are very rare compared to shit like Amazon erotic ebooks about fucking a vampire or whatever. it speaks volumes that so much of today's art can be feasibly replaced by a machine that simply aggregates existing examples of media to produce an approximate copy with a few of the variables switched around, lol.
 
AI can't make truly original work.
There is nothing stopping an AI from potential for original work. It basically uses a similar process to what we use to synthesize information and then remix it into new-ish forms. Consider how animals craft their output, especially modernly. We all operate on input from limited sources - limited by our weak, slow, tiny brains, and limited by our cultural/govt. boundaries - and then mash it up and spit it back out. An AI machine's limitations are plentiful, but not when it comes to general information handling. Its source for 'inspiration' will be unlimited and novel in ways that no animal could have came up with.

I think its the opposite, it will be capable for far greater originality, due to it being able to juggle an unlimited amount of variables to craft its output. Animals are the ones limited in this.
 
Same argument as comission artists: If your work can be replicated and surpassed by AI, you can either continue to improve your skills, or give up and cry about the machine replacing you, inadvertently admitting your work was never any better than the average interchangeable slop
Eventually the machine gets too good. That’s the whole thing with automation. It’s not that people can’t compete, it’s that eventually it won’t be worth it to do so even if you can.

Because the AI can do in a second what takes you 10 minutes and there is not any way you can make up the difference in speed due to what AI is.

You work harder? By doing so you’ve just improved the AI. How long can you keep that up for?
 
AC/DC wrote Back In Black whilst mourning the loss of one of the greatest rock frontmen of all time.
David Bowie wrote Blackstar while he was on his death bed.
Fleetwood Mac wrote Rumours whilst every single band member's personal lives were a hot mess and they were off their tits on all the drugs.
  • Deep Purple's "Smoke on the Water" was written about a true story in which the band's music venue was burned down, and the band had to scramble to finish recording their new album whilst on tour.
  • Poison wrote "Every Rose Has its Thorn" after Brett Michaels found out his girlfriend was cheating on him.
  • Journey wrote "Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin'" when Steve Perry's girlfriend was cheating on him as well.
  • Motley Crue wrote "Kickstart My Heart" after Nikki Sixx was revived following a near-fatal overdose.
  • Bon Jovi wrote "Living on a Prayer" about the 80's recession and how it impacted the American middle class.
  • Creedence Clearwater Revival wrote "Have You Ever Seen the Rain" in response to the band's internal struggles.
  • Bob Seger wrote "Turn the Page" to vent about the struggles of touring and dealing with hostile truckers.
  • Ozzy Osbourne wrote "Mama I'm Coming Home" as a tribute to his wife after they had marital issues stemming from his drug problems.
  • Aerosmith wrote "Janie's Got a Gun" after hearing about the story of a girl who was sexually abused by her father so she ended up killing him.
  • Quiet Riot had poor success with their 1st two albums, but reunited in the studio to create the landmark album "Metal Health" as a tribute to Randy Rhoads's death.
  • Pink Floyd created "Wish You Were Here" as a tribute to Syd Barrett.
  • Pretty much half of Alice in Chains' songs were about Layne Staley's heroin addiction.
  • If Kurt Cobain never died, we most likely wouldn't have the Foo Fighters.
  • Pretty much every major important rock band in the latter half of the 60's wrote songs inspired by the Vietnam War.
The list goes on and on.
 
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We're ignoring the other losses that come when ai takes over an industry:

- You won't need to rent out studio space to record music. This means these music studios will get shut down, and people will be out of a job.

- You won't need to hire musicians to play the instruments. This means musicians will be out of a job, even if they're really good. "Just play better!" won't matter.

- You won't need to hire a mixer. Again, there goes another occupation.

- Hell, you probably won't even need to hire a singer for vocals.

Etc...

Basically, all the other industries that are indirectly tied to these jobs that ai outpaces will be lost too. What then? "Learn to code" is just a meme, when you have a bunch of people unable to find jobs because companies prefer to use ai, it's going to become a huge issue.

Again, I feel like people are coping when they act like ai isn't going to completely fuck our economy and change the creative landscape.
 
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