Billie Eilish, Pearl Jam, 200 artists say AI poses existential threat to their livelihoods - Artists say AI will "set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of our work."


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Billie Eilish, Pearl Jam, 200 artists say AI poses existential threat to their livelihoods

Artists say AI will "set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of our work."​

On Tuesday, the Artist Rights Alliance (ARA) announced an open letter critical of AI signed by over 200 musical artists, including Pearl Jam, Nicki Minaj, Billie Eilish, Stevie Wonder, Elvis Costello, and the estate of Frank Sinatra. In the letter, the artists call on AI developers, technology companies, platforms, and digital music services to stop using AI to "infringe upon and devalue the rights of human artists." A tweet from the ARA added that AI poses an "existential threat" to their art.

Visual artists began protesting the advent of generative AI after the rise of the first mainstream AI image generators in 2022, and considering that generative AI research has since been undertaken for other forms of creative media, we have seen that protest extend to professionals in other creative domains, such as writers, actors, filmmakers—and now musicians.

"When used irresponsibly, AI poses enormous threats to our ability to protect our privacy, our identities, our music and our livelihoods," the open letter states. It alleges that some of the "biggest and most powerful" companies (unnamed in the letter) are using the work of artists without permission to train AI models, with the aim of replacing human artists with AI-created content.

In January, Billboard reported that AI research taking place at Google DeepMind had trained an unnamed music-generating AI on a large dataset of copyrighted music without seeking artist permission. That report may have been referring to Google's Lyria, an AI-generation model announced in November that the company positioned as a tool for enhancing human creativity. The tech has since powered musical experiments from YouTube.

We've previously covered AI music generators that seemed fairly primitive throughout 2022 and 2023, such as Riffusion, Google's MusicLM, and Stability AI's Stable Audio. We've also covered open source musical voice-cloning technology that is frequently used to make musical parodies online. While we have yet to see an AI model that can generate perfect, fully composed high-quality music on demand, the quality of outputs from music synthesis models has been steadily improving over time.

In considering AI's potential impact on music, it's instructive to remember historical instances where tech innovations initially sparked concern among artists. For instance, the introduction of synthesizers in the 1960s and 1970s and the advent of digital sampling in the 1980s both faced scrutiny and fear from parts of the music community, but the music industry eventually adjusted.

While we've seen fear of the unknown related to AI going around quite a bit for the past year, it's possible that AI tools will be integrated into the music production process like any other music production tool or technique that came before. It's also possible that even if that kind of integration comes to pass, some artists will still get hurt along the way—and the ARA wants to speak out about it before the technology progresses further.

“Race to the bottom”​


The Artists Rights Alliance is a nonprofit advocacy group that describes itself as an "alliance of working musicians, performers, and songwriters fighting for a healthy creative economy and fair treatment for all creators in the digital world."

The signers of the ARA's open letter say they acknowledge the potential of AI to advance human creativity when used responsibly, but they also claim that replacing artists with generative AI would "substantially dilute the royalty pool" paid out to artists, which could be "catastrophic" for many working musicians, artists, and songwriters who are trying to make ends meet.

In the letter, the artists say that unchecked AI will set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of their work and prevent them from being fairly compensated. "This assault on human creativity must be stopped," they write. "We must protect against the predatory use of AI to steal professional artist' voices and likenesses, violate creators' rights, and destroy the music ecosystem."

The emphasis on the word "human" in the letter is notable ("human artist" was used twice and "human creativity" and "human artistry" are used once, each) because it suggests the clear distinction they are drawing between the work of human artists and the output of AI systems. It implies recognition that we've entered a new era where not all creative output is made by people.

The letter concludes with a call to action, urging all AI developers, technology companies, platforms, and digital music services to pledge not to develop or deploy AI music-generation technology, content, or tools that undermine or replace the human artistry of songwriters and artists or deny them fair compensation for their work.

While it's unclear whether companies will meet those demands, so far, protests from visual artists have not stopped development of ever-more advanced image-synthesis models. On Threads, frequent AI industry commentator Dare Obasanjo wrote, "Unfortunately this will be as effective as writing an open letter to stop the sun from rising tomorrow."
 
Technology transformed music decades ago. Autotuner is ubiquitous in pop. AI guitar tone cloning has been around for years, midi actually sounds good now, drum machines have been a thing since the fucking 80's... shit we can go back to the player-piano or the advent of the record. AI is just going to add more piss to the ocean of piss.

As far as songwriting goes all of the marketable stuff is dead simple lowest common denominator formulaic bullshit anyway. You don't even need an Ai neural nets to write I IV V VI basic bitch pop and country, you can do it with normal math. This guy explains why he doesn't even need an AI to generate hours and hours of Djent:

My father was trying to convince me that Toby Keith wrote the greatest music ever and could not seem to understand that literally anyone can write that shit. The success has never been found in writing or performing songs, everyone knows a local band that deserves more... the success is in who you know and how much of your soul you are willing to sell.

You don't need an AI to write basic bitch rhymes about mundane shit or lyrics shitting on your ex's.

Just readin through the thread
while the pot runs through my head
and I'm postin' like a fed
wonderin if Byu is dead


People don't even listen to the verse, you just need a sappy hook:

Ohhh I'll tell ya Jersh! I love this farm!
Yeah I said Jersh! I love this farm!
 
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So is this the new Lars making an ass out of himself over piracy?
In the letter, the artists say that unchecked AI will set in motion a race to the bottom that will degrade the value of their work and prevent them from being fairly compensated. "This assault on human creativity must be stopped," they write. "We must protect against the predatory use of AI to steal professional artist' voices and likenesses, violate creators' rights, and destroy the music ecosystem."

Just sue anyone putting out a fake AI album using your sound and name. And go over that contract with a fine tooth comb to make sure you aren't selling your AI likeness to anyone with deep enough pockets. I think it can easily become another way for record companies to rip artists off and claim rights to their work. But I'm having a hard time believing the big name artists are going to suffer as much. This sounds more like something young, naive artists might unwittingly fall for. After all, you don't have to pay AI.
 
they could make all the possible combinations and make it to where any new song created by humans will sound close enough that the ai company can sue.

That's been the Organic Chemistry business model since WW2, but if you think about it, they would have to patent every single one of those combinations and permutations at a national and then international level, which would be fiscally devastating to anyone who tried to do so. You might as well try to patent moves on a chess board.

Pop music died due to the Industry gobbling up all of the little studios in the 90s at the apex of a 30 year boom. They will swear blind on a stack of bibles it was those darn dirty file sharing kids online, but it was their own greed and investment hubris that fucked them. Two decades later production has whittled down to essentially six producers, which was always going to cause ear fatigue no matter how undoubtedly talented the likes of Greg Wells can be.

This knee jerk fear of AI is a continuation of their denial that they mortally wounded their own cash cow a long time ago. Heavily politicizing a limited output is just picking at their open wound site on top of everything else. No artist is threatened by AI, if anything it has fully democratized the end result. The threat is that none of the secondary parasitic market is now required to reach an audience of 20,000 giving you $1 each any more, and that's what they fucking loathe and will move Heaven and Earth to sabotage.
 
I look forward to the music cleanup technology! Both as a tool to remove noise artifacts from works made, so you don’t have to hunt down random noises, and as a removal of this corporate slop.

Dear lord I can’t wait for the death of the industry plant. I literally want “(Music Studio Name Here) Lab 49” to just exist so I can see the music industry bleed the people out of it. It will force people to make good music again and will tear the “X-core“ trend I’ve seen rise up to pieces.

AI will only ruin those that refuse to use the tool for what it is, everyone that picks up and reads the fucking manual will succeed.
 
Maybe, maybe not but... it isn't going back in the bottle. Too bad crybabies.

I shouldn't be too hard on them to be fair. A lot of this is fear from the FUD being pushed down from the top. Elites, moralists and big media really are utterly terrified of the loss of control AI represents.

This is like the radio stars who screeched about TV more than anything. The last gasps of a bloated old media elite.
 
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Please pray for all the multi-millionaire platinum record holders who will now assuredly die penniless on the streets due to the development of the synthesizer AI generative tools.
In my mind and in my car,
We can't rewind, we've gone too far,
Pictures came and broke your heart,
Put the blame on VCR!
 
If I still cared at all about the livelihoods of pop musicians, I might agree.

As it is, true or not, I simply don't care if they lose their jobs.

They've become some of the most insufferable hard-left-supporting progressives on the planet who actively antagonize their fanbases and the public at large for not being good enough for them. While at the same time being lousy at their jobs.

Pop music has always been corporate and manufactured, but, it at least had standards and a minimum of politics when I was a kid.

Nowadays the talent level is low, the production values are shit, and every minute they aren't in the studio, the stars are on social media telling me I'm the one ruining the world because I don't agree with the politics of someone who can sing better than I can.... what hogwash.

The music industry is just another institution suffering from terminal rot, and if they expect me to care, it's 20 years too late.
 
Cry harder faggots. No body cares. No one cared when the middle class the lower middle class and working poor were fucked over by capitalism and globalism. No one cares what happens to you. But I know we have to care because you are rich and rich people can never get dicked over. Heaven forbid.
 
Again, I feel like people are coping when they act like ai isn't going to completely fuck our economy and change the creative landscape.
AI takes out only levels of society.
- If you’re a burger flipper or clean toilets you’ll be fine, because you’re still cheaper and robots technically can do it but in reality can’t.
- If you’re a mid level accountant, HR, or making soulless pop slop you’re doomed.
- if you’re doing a job that requires complex management of stuff and people, you’ll be fine.
The real question is who music moguls will molest when all the popslop idols are digital
 
AI takes out only levels of society.
- If you’re a burger flipper or clean toilets you’ll be fine, because you’re still cheaper and robots technically can do it but in reality can’t.
- If you’re a mid level accountant, HR, or making soulless pop slop you’re doomed.
- if you’re doing a job that requires complex management of stuff and people, you’ll be fine.
The real question is who music moguls will molest when all the popslop idols are digital
I rarely listen to anyone in rock or metal past about 1995. I know there are minor bands out there, but the signal to noise ratio is so low that it's a real treat to find a band that doesn't suck these days.
 
I rarely listen to anyone in rock or metal past about 1995. I know there are minor bands out there, but the signal to noise ratio is so low that it's a real treat to find a band that doesn't suck these days.
I will take my top hats but ‘nobody plays instruments anymore’ is pretty true (old lady shouts at cloud, I know.) my own music library is mainly pre 1996, maybe music died then or something.
 
I was watching an industry insider roundtable on Youtube not terribly long ago and basically it came down to three factors all happening at once by serendipity:
1) MTV deciding they no longer wanted to show videos and started pulling whole types of videos like heavy metal and hard rock or focusing on rap and hip hop
2) Music's corporate masters decided to push prepacked urban type music and make more cookie cutter music instead of taking risks and cut a whole slew of bands loose
3) The telecommunications act Clinton signed let a few companies like Clear Channel and I Heart Radio buy pretty much every station and get rid of local programming and bands in favor of corporate programming and playlists.
 
I will take my top hats but ‘nobody plays instruments anymore’ is pretty true (old lady shouts at cloud, I know.) my own music library is mainly pre 1996, maybe music died then or something.
Not true at all. True in the slop, but metal is very much a living genre where musicianship is valued.

Punk, as left-brain rotted as it is, values DIY above all. Not the greatest musicians but it’s still about rocking out your instruments and creating your own stuff.

Rock radio has been shit for years but they still play their own instruments for the most part.

Nigger music is all fruity loops though, and that’s what sells so that’s what we are exposed to in public on a daily basis.

Jazz is still around and kicking too particularly jazz fusion. Thundercat and Vulfpeck come to mind.
 
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