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Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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NATO is a defense contractor cartel. The largest such cartel in the world. They divide up business between companies and countries such that everyone gets a piece of the pie. Its incredibly necessary and very financially lucrative. Its also a form of soft power to control so much of global weapons production. The defense cartel also ties the european countries politically to the US because it creates a financial/economic incentive in each country to do so.
NATO is also a "regional defense organization" under the UN charter. The UN charter gives organizations like NATO special rights to take actions against countries that would otherwise be illegal. NATO has the right under the UN charter to interprerate and enforce NATO security council resolutions in any way the organization sees fit. In the Balkans in the 1990s, it gave them the power to dismember Serbia. In the 2010s, it gave them the power to intervene in Libya, blockade Libya, launch an air war against the Libyan government and organize the assassination of the head of state.
But it is true that NATO has become extremely unbalanced. Most countries in NATO no longer make any useful contribution to it. Most countries in Western Europe field tiny but incredibly expensive military forces which are effectively useless.
The hope in Washington in the early 2000s was that while western europe was dead weight in NATO, countries in Eastern Europe would provide NATO with large, affordable and totally disposable orc-armies who would be glad to die for American foreign policy goals. But it didn't turn out to be that way. Getting Poland involved in anything is always more trouble than its worth and turned out to usually be very expensive. The baltic states love the idea of war as long as they don't have to pay for it or fight it. Hungary and Slovakia are not stupid and will generally not fight other peoples wars. The Czechs talk big and do nothing. Bulgaria and Rumania are kind of hopeless.
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ASML, skilled white people, military bases close to Russia.
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This "context" has an "I'm not owned!" vibe to it that somehow makes his defenders look worse.
For some reason it reminds me of the Monstruo vehicles built by Mexican drug cartels for their endless war with the government and each other.
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I find the Azov Aryan Apc kinda cute. Hope it goes to the tank museum.
No idea if it is great, or those africa wooden tanks tier, but it lools cool, and has tiny robotic turrets. I assume those turrers can rotate and aren't welded in place.
No idea if it is great, or those africa wooden tanks tier, but it lools cool, and has tiny robotic turrets. I assume those turrers can rotate and aren't welded in place.
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LMAO! Oh Mykola… What a cute little tank!
I’m assuming they buried it out of emberasment?
I’ll give the Azovites some credit though: It was an excellent vehicle for what it was intended to do: Which is of course to suck down donations from idiots.
They can rotate alright. Barely. And are manually operated lmao.
It also doesn’t have a vision slit for the driver.
Everything about this vehicle is clearly slapped and welded together Rather amateurishly by a drunk Mykola.
It’s basically what you’d expect if someone with more money than welding skills bought an old Soviet APC, and then slapped on their own “vision” on top. Which is what it is.
It looks alright though, I guess.
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The old logo as well as the history of the developers of this Frankenstein monster is hilarious
https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Інженерна_група_«Арей»
https://web.archive.org/web/20210427182431/https://arey.net.ua/AboutUs
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Btw: For those of you not deep enough into autism and weeaboo stuff, that craft on the Azov logo is a Hanebu/Vril Nazi UFO.
There was this whole myth created in the 60ies/70ies about Nazis having been contacted by aliens, building UFO’s named Hanebu, and having a base on the South Pole.
This is whom we’re sending billions of dollars to, folks!
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Indeed! If you want to read more here’s a good spot for Sputnik news!
The Resurs P4 has an upgraded image component compared to its predecessors, and there’s another Resurs P5 (or an upgraded PM) launching later this year.
In other news:
Very good news for Russia.
While the Ukrops may be able to assemble some drones themselves, Russia can now make the whole stack. From motors and up.
Another problem entirely, is that Z loses his mandate in May, and (presumably!) stays on as an illegitimate president per the Ukrainian constitution.
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I think the former is more of a problem.
Are vision slits still a thing with cameras and all that stuff? Last thing you want is getting shrapnel in from a window getting a frontal drone ram or just a grenade chucked at you.
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What Ukraine wants now out of these "peace meetings" is a large international consensus on handing over Russian overseas assets to Ukraine. Or a large international attendance at the meeting that they can use as a justification AFTER the meeting for taking moves such as handing over the assets even if the meeting doesn't agree to it.
They want (and need) that $300 billion dollars. I don't think that anything to do with the war or winning the war or the shape of a peace agreement after the war means anything to them anymore.
The Ukrainians will steal some portion of that money. But the majority of that money is going to go to western institutions that are either holding now worthless unpayable Ukrainian debt or have been holding worthless assets on their books to boost the Ukrainian currency.
Ukraine is maybe $200 billion dollars in debt. Its in default on that debt already. If the war ends, it has no way to pay any of that debt and a full default is inevitable. Its legislatively impossible to pass laws in either Europe or the US to cancel out $200 billion dollars of debt. If Ukraine defaults, the economic and political collapse of the country is inevitable.
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Yeah they’re still a thing. Plexiglass or periscopes take care of grenade splinters.
Would you rather trust your life a slit or a periscope, knowing you can always button ups and switch to a camera if shit gets hot, or a little webcam that can be shot off or lose power?
Continuing to lose the war is in many ways a LESS risky move for Ukraine than ending it and signing a peace deal.
Right now everything can be kicked down the road.
Debt? “Sorry, there’s a war going on!”
Elections? “Sorry! Maybe after the war!”
Corruption? “We’re fighting for survival here!”
After the war, there’ll be a lot of expectations of rebuilding, paying pensions to invalid soldiers, etc. And Ukrainian politicians have shown themselves to be a lot better at siphoning off cash than actually ruling
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Remember when Turkey bought the Russian S-400 air defense system, and the US gov went nuts and kicked them out of the F-35 program?
They're still trying to convince Turkey to give their S-400's away to "a third country" (
) and buy F-35's. 
The reason for this drama is that as soon as Turkey figures out what the radar signature of an F-35 looks like using Russian radar, Russia and China will also identify how to spot our newest wunderwaffen and shoot them down. Right now, the F-35 is the only major weapons platform the West still has that's a generational leap ahead of Eastern capabilities. It's not enough to win a war by itself, but it's enough to rustle Xi and Putin's jimmies.
Once adversaries learn how to defeat its stealth, F-35 becomes a $100m flying target that also costs astronomical sums of money to maintain and our
Every single thing NATO has done since 1991 has made NATO poorer, weaker and less secure but at least we sold a bunch of them F-35's before the rubes caught on.
Yeah the most fucked up thing about this situation is that nobody thinks Ukraine can "win" anymore, but they've got to keep dying anyway because as soon as they stop fighting, the crippling losses (human, financial, territorial and political) of both Ukraine and its sponsors become impossible to ignore. A lot of powerful people want to be far away when that day of reckoning comes.
It's like a doomed business trying to trade its way out of bankruptcy by continuing to operate at a loss. There's a strong incentive for management to pretend it's still a going concern, until somebody shuts off the electricity and they get evicted from the building.
Any info on UGV's from the Russian side? I saw a video on them not too long ago but back then I thought the Russians were still on the testing stage of their implementation.
Are they now being produced en masse or are the Russians still figuring out how to use them tactically?
Are they now being produced en masse or are the Russians still figuring out how to use them tactically?
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Couldn't Russia figure it out anyways, like putting monitoring stations near Afghanistan or wherever the F-35 gets flown?