Does coomer-ism ruin arts and media? - the negative effect that porn addiction or preoccupation with sex has on the ability to write stories

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

It didn’t kill the first few seasons of Game of Thrones. Or Boardwalk Empire. Or Stargate.

Depends on the state of mind of the writers/producers.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

When the creators of certain works consume pornography, especially large amounts of it, how much of a negative effect does it have on whatever it is they write/animate/create?
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1. Pornography usage kills drive and saps energy, which in turn kills creativity
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3. Even if they don't try to insert such content into their stories, porn warps their perception of reality, making it harder to write characters or settings that make logical sense.

Your first problem, OP, is that most of the forum members can't read or don't understand conditionals
But yes it definitely warps perception and personal ability, but it leaks into every facet of life. Less people touch grass and we all pay the price.

 

[Night Crawler]

Are you a faggot? Why do you sit around and think about guys touching their dicks all day?

 

[BrunoMattei]

Your concerns are shared by Martin Luther.

Martin Luther King? I mean, I can see it...

 

[Anti Snigger]

It's the lowest common denominator effect

 

[tetraterezi]

absolutley. every childrens show has children kissing and every childrens show has pedos behind it.

its like insects in candy bars.

guaranteed.

if its " this adult human is hot and we are gonna recognize that"

its fine
if its " we are gonna make every fetish joke youve already heard and then include a few select search terms for your googling pleasure"
id like it nuked.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Your first problem, OP, is that most of the forum members can't read or don't understand conditionals
But yes it definitely warps perception and personal ability, but it leaks into every facet of life. Less people touch grass and we all pay the price.

#3 is the interesting one. Even when you can tell the creator is trying to make something wholesome, something slips in that just isn't. Or they talk way too much about sex which you wouldn't hear irl outside a high school locker room, but the rest of the work is, idk, robots fighting monsters or some shit. I'd say yes, porn taints everything.

 

[Valstrax]

Man, I can't believe my favorite game "My Step-Mom is a Futanari" isn't considered art.

 

[pork and beans]

I think there is a point where sexual drive/fetishes can trump artistic vision and have a detrimental effect but sexuality is an important part of our lives and its a normal subject that can and should be explored in art.


Personally I am very strongly against pornography but trying to banish any traces of sexuality from media would have very negative effects. And elements of sex in media don't equal porn. Obviously everything still has a time and place; for example, nothing of the sort belongs in kids shows and usually insances of that are due to coomer pedo writers

Some time ago I read a very sjw article called "Everyone is beautiful and no one is horny" or something that basically talked about how modern american movies portray nudity and sex more than ever but are very chaste and don't portray sensuality or eroticism or the emotions that come with it anymore, so everything feels very clinical; puritan and asexual, as @FatR said.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

Does sex ruin faggots

Faggots would be a trillion times more pure if they didn't sodomize each other, so yeah

 

[WhoBusTank69]

#3 is the interesting one. Even when you can tell the creator is trying to make something wholesome, something slips in that just isn't. Or they talk way too much about sex which you wouldn't hear irl outside a high school locker room, but the rest of the work is, idk, robots fighting monsters or some shit. I'd say yes, porn taints everything.

It's less about sex being present if not obvious, but the fact that an art piece is absolute shit as a result of the artist being a coombrained weirdo. At least that's what I gather from the OP.

 

[cybertoaster]

The problem is the preachiness, is not enough to show their disgusting shit and "kinks", you have to accept them, praise them for what they shove up their asses, as if having anal prolapse when you hit 20 was a life achievement. Its like those fucking gooners who want you to take them seriously, like motherfucker you carry porn with you to masturbate everywhere, you have a dedicated room in your house to jack off, you watch 4 porn videos at the same time because your brain its completely fried, you're fucking garbage and should rope.

ever pick up a manga?

See its different, fanservice is just that, fanservice, and the characters that are into that are depicted as total perv losers, there is no pretentiousness at all, they are the butt of the joke and you're not supposed to take them seriously. Some eventually grow the fuck up and stop doing it, unlike in western media where it only gets worse because all the characters now are self-inserts of the writers for whom the height of their lives is being able to use a horse dick dildo without dying like mr.hands.

One thing are dirty jokes and pantyshots, another is having an entire episode dedicated to preaching to kids why packing fudge is heckin' wholesome.

Oh yeah?

>flashgitz
>mainstream

Even tho their videos have a few mil views normies are completely unaware that they exist.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

I would agree with all 3, particularly 3, what you take in inevitably informs what you put out and porn is famously without plot or reasoning - just basic set-ups for whatever you want to happen, nonsensical dialogue, and lots of power inequalities. Power inequalities that are exclusively solved by exchanging sex (or worse, fetishises rape) so everything becomes transactional.

It's a basic creative advice that whatever you spend a lot of time on you will mimic, particularly in the early stages of your career ... that you should both read and copy out hemingway to learn to try and write like hemingway. They're doing that but with porn.

Also orgasm is pretty much the biggest positive conditioning feedback you can get so it's hypereffective. Siginifcantly lesser positive feedback from something actually creatively useful, like studying some paintings or reading a new book, is not going to win out. It's a self-perpetuating spiral downwards.

 

[Willie B. Hardigan]

I think this has been around in media since forever but specifically with western stuff it feels like there were more higher ups keeping it in check.
But there is definitely a more recent issue with people becoming way too shameless with porn consumption which bleeds over and causes problems in other areas.
When you use Vivziepop or Rebecca Sugar as examples it might also be the shift from people that grew up on weird cartoons making their own cartoons which get even weirder.

As you've said the concept of shame has more or less gone extinct in the modern day and is no longer a strong barrier preventing truly exceptional individuals who lack any sort of social etiquette from shoving whatever personally gets their rocks off in people's faces even if it would be an extreme detriment to the product in question or one's reputation. Sex will always be present in movies, shows, games, books, etc because it's a core part of the human condition, but it also has to have some greater overall purpose in mind for the plot or message otherwise people see straight through that shit and are usually turned off because it quickly goes from "art with meaning that other people can enjoy" to "gaudy softcore porn only the creator enjoys". Nobody is saying that writers, directors, and artists should purge all their sexual emotions from themselves, we just want to know he or she can effectively control them so they don't go overboard with that stuff. Those who can't do this are usually a walking liability who will inevitably play their hand too far causing their downfall.

Morals and boundaries despite how restrictive they can feel to the creatively inclined serve an important purpose in stopping a culture from slipping into pure depravity. The new "sex-positive, free love" movements have absolved any personal reasonability from ever being placed on those who now run things even though that's where it's needed the most. It's just basic common sense but that word is sadly taboo these days.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Any other thoughts?

Might be best to address what gives art and media any value in the first place.

Establishing that, does "coomerism" run contrary to what essentially gives art and media value?

Are you a faggot? Why do you sit around and think about guys touching their dicks all day?

I watch incest porn.

 

[Sea Hag Henderson]

This is the true madness of the modern world, young men are treated like monsters for liking titties while shit like the BG3 bear-fucking scene is celebrated, and then people wonder why kids are so fucked up. We've spent so much time telling ourselves that we're smarter than our basic biological urges that we actually believe it, and it's destroying us.

 

[Atatata]

Sometimes it works, the passion involved can make for interesting and risky works that otherwise no one would think of. But, sometimes you get stuck with tranny/ntr shit because the author coomed too hard.
Coomerism absolutely ruins fandoms though. I do not want to hear you jerk off about how much you want to fuck autistic elves I want to discuss the story and atmosphere, damn it.

 

[Chocolate Wombat]

I think the shifting of cultural mores as we slip further into full decadence has produced mainstream artists who are completely desensitized to pornographic content. They don't see what the problem is because in their lives porn is basically everywhere. Not everyone is like that, though, and it's difficult for grotesquely self indulgent people to conceptualize a way of thinking which doesn't mirror their own.

The thing is, coomerism isn't the only factor causing a widespread decline in modern media. By itself I don't think it would even be a problem, I think the assembly line production mentality of the entertainment industry has a lot more to do with what's ruining art. Art isn't genuine self-expression anymore, now it's a product carefully contrived to maximize profit (at least almost all mainstream film, television, etc.).

There is a delicate balance to maintain between producing good art and making money from the art. If too much of one is sacrificed in favor of the other then what's produced becomes diminished.

 

[Tablet County]

Not if you're making pornography. Then you're in the right mindset.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I brought this subject up briefly in the Goodbye Volcano High thread, but I think it deserves its own thread. When the creators of certain works consume pornography, especially large amounts of it, how much of a negative effect does it have on whatever it is they write/animate/create?

We've discussed many people on this site who could very well fit this description. Vivziepop with her fujoshi ways, Guillaume Labelle with his interest in diaper cheese pizza, Rebecca Sugar with her Cartoon Network fan pornography and preoccupation with sex, etc.

I can think of a few reasons why a coomer would have a harder time writing good content than otherwise:

1. Pornography usage kills drive and saps energy, which in turn kills creativity
2. With porn on the brain, the authors in question try to find ways to insert fanservice (at best) or their own personal fetishes (at worst). As a result, the characters stop acting like people and more like retards (at best) or degenerates (at worst) that pretty much no one can relate to.
3. Even if they don't try to insert such content into their stories, porn warps their perception of reality, making it harder to write characters or settings that make logical sense.

Any other thoughts?

I disagree with the notion as I think most problems with writing stem from shipping rather than outright pornography. New writers spent their youth consuming and producing Tumblr shipping content, leading to a throwing away of premises just to dive into what character should end up with what character. These fandom interactions that play out as Death Battle for women and gays make up the bulk of new-age western writers. Viv isn't making a show, she is making a prop to interact with Sarcastic Chorus:

Hell, this can probably lead into a much wider discussion on how general fandom and the wider net have impacted writing dramatically. Entire plotlines changed based on fandom desires, the oversensitivity towards potential backlash, and writers getting too invested on what their Twitter simps think. Shipping is just a massive part of that online discourse and it has certainly impacted the majority of post-2010s toons.