US Seattle Public Schools cancels gifted program 'cohorts' for equity reasons - 11 schools dedicated to students learning far above their grade level are being shut down.

SEATTLE - Many parents within Seattle Public Schools are flabbergasted by the district's decision to shut down 11 schools dedicated to highly capable learners.

They include three elementary, five middle schools, and three high schools. The "cohorts" at these schools keep the students together so teachers can focus on their advanced needs.

There are hundreds of students learning at these schools, far above their grade level.

According to the district's website, starting this fall, all neighborhood schools will start to incorporate highly-capable students.

The district's plan is to completely phase out "cohorts" by the 2027-2028 school year.

The website says students will not be separated into "cohorts" and will go to neighborhood classrooms in order to address "historical inequity."

Typically, these schools have more white and Asian students, and other races are underrepresented.

Fox News previously reported that the school district's gifted program was among the least diverse in the country.

Parents at Cascadia Elementary say progress has been made in recent years with more enrollment of underrepresented kids into their school.

Mom Simrin Parmar says she wholeheartedly supports the goal of equity, but she believes the move will make things worse, not better.

"It will not help those kids to just cut the program wholesale. We weren’t servicing enough of them. You don’t help by cutting the program. What we should be doing is identifying more children from underrepresented groups that aren’t getting a fair shake in the testing and doing more to fix that and providing these services to more kids across the city," Parmar said.

She says the district should look to expand diversity within the gifted program.

"They are thriving, they are learning so much. They are curious and they are being pushed" Parmar said.

Parmar also says the HC model serves kids of all different backgrounds and challenges.

"I can say there are children who will test gifted academically but then again they have other learning disabilities, ADHD, dyslexia, other related more serious disability" Parmar said.

"If they do this, it will be the bell curve getting ignored and watering down the teaching," parent Eric Feeny said.

The district on its website promising the program is not over, that it will get better.

"All teachers will provide teaching and learning that is delivered with universal design for learning (UDL) and differentiated to meet the needs of students within their grade level," the website said of the decision.

But there are still so many unanswered questions on how the district will provide that differentiated learning in real time with one teacher.

"I think the district consistently under-communicates most of its initiative, partially because they don’t have the bandwidth," Feeny said.

From a budget perspective, parents also say the changes don't make sense. Parmar says it costs the district around $7,000 per Cascadia Elementary student, which is about 50% less than many neighboring schools.

"SPS is scrapping all HC programming and replacing it with empty promises, zero plan, and zero funding. I’m sad to watch so many families leave the public school system, but I can’t blame them," Kiley Riffell said on social media.

Riffell has two daughters who attend Cascadia. She says it's been a game changer due to an emphasis on innovation and a deeper level of instruction.

Unless there are significant resources pumped into every classroom, parents say teachers will be overburdened with large class sizes and dramatic differences in academic needs.

"Until you have a better system, don’t give out a fake system or half solution," Feeny said.

Many students who are already in the HC program will be able to continue on with higher learning for now. The district's decision is not immediate but it will impact current kindergartners.

FOX 13’s request for an interview with Superintendent Dr. Brent Jones or anyone else with the district has gone unanswered.

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Something very similar happens in the UK. After the tripartite system there were basically two forms of state school - grammar and comprehensive. You sat an exam age 11 (based on subjects but also reasoning and logic) and if you passed, you could go to grammar school. These were focused more on academic achievement that comps, the framing being the smartest kids could learn quicker and so putting them in mixed ability classes was to their detriment. (There's also specialist schools that focus on specific areas, a bit like American magnet schools).

There was a lot of pushback on this for being "anti-egalitarian" and they were supposed to be phased out in the 70s (and new ones being set up were banned in the 90s). Loads converted into being comps. The rationale was that if everyone's kid had to go to a comp then everyone would be invested in improving education standards in every school providing a good academic environment.

But not everyone's kid did have to go to a comp. Smarter children whose parents were reasonably well off would either get sent to fee paying schools or parents would move house to the catchment areas of better schools, whereas smart working class kids (beyond the very gifted who could get scholarships) tended to be shoved into whatever the local comp was, where the exact thing that the original system was trying to avoid happened.

A net consequence of this was a greater obstruction to social mobility. Interestingly the group who tended to support abolishing grammar schools for being anti-egalitarian showed no interest in abolishing private schools (or public schools which - despite the name - are even more exclusive and are where most of the ruling classes attend, places like Eton).
 
Talent development programs are a crock of shit. Especially talent development programs that begin in elementary school.
Truly gifted individuals will pursue their passions outside of the formal education system.

Taking AP calculus their sophomore year isn't going to change their trajectory. The vast majority of these students will go on to become the same doctors, lawyers, and engineers that come from districts without these programs. Most of them will leave district that put extra resources into educating them.
They are, but not in the way you said. Taking calculus in the sophomore year of high school should be the standard track, not the accelerated one.
Forgot to add the part of the parents have to pay for their magnet school in addition to having to pay for normie school.
One of the quicker ways to out a public school teacher is to mention this out loud in their presence. As they will certainly REEE as that magnet school funding isn't also going to their school (administration.) Another is bringing up meritocracy in evaluating public school teachers as that will cause them to lose their shit.
You can also point out that paying teachers more only improves performance if you fire all the existing teachers and use the higher advertised salary to attract people who’ve never been teachers before. When they protest, ask them why they need to be bribed to do their job properly and ask them why they don’t care about kids.

Another way of riling them up is to accept their claims about parents being responsible for the poor performance of bad students and then saying that parents must therefore also be responsible for success of good students. If the parents are responsible for everything, then why we do need teachers at all?

Sometimes you’ll get them to admit that they’re just babysitters and that’s when you can really have fun messing with them.
 
Mom Simrin Parmar says she wholeheartedly supports the goal of equity, but she believes the move will make things worse, not better.

"All this leftist bullshit was supposed to be for the peasants, not my children!"


Do you guys think liberals will ever give up on the idea that all students can be made to perform equally? Or are they still going to be doing this song and dance in ten, twenty years? Surely at some point, after decades of work and billions spent, surely all but the most die hard have to see that it doesn't work?

No, because this is downstream of the average white person's belief that his own child is capable of maxing the SAT if he's just taught correctly. If you're a teach or school administrator, tell white parents that their kids have average IQ and cannot be expected to become math whizzes like the eggheaded boy whose parents met in an aerospace engineering program, all hell and earth will rain down upon you.

The belief that every kid is a little Einstein who's just waiting for the right teacher is a deep part of American culture. It's why movies about pretty white women turning hood rats into scholars are popular, and why No Child Left behind remains law of the land.

Taking AP calculus their sophomore year isn't going to change their trajectory.

AP classes let me skip most of my freshman year in college. One of my dorm-mates actually graduated a year early because of AP classes. Saved him about $30K.
 
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Do you guys think liberals will ever give up on the idea that all students can be made to perform equally? Or are they still going to be doing this song and dance in ten, twenty years? Surely at some point, after decades of work and billions spent, surely all but the most die hard have to see that it doesn't work?
I would say it might stop once the need for an educated workforce comes back; but it probably won't cuz of how structured an lot of entry-level jobs are, nowadays. Their next step is somewhere along the lines of completely removing the requirements for professional certification because Tyrone wanted to become an surgeon or an civic engineer. Of course, they'll probably stick their heads in the sand once shit hits the fan, anyways. But it'll happen, eventually.

For some reason blacks really hate black nerds much more than they do nerds of another race
Yeah, niggers are extremely insecure; just look how stagnant "black culture" has been ever since the portable radio came out.
Also the smart kids become fucking lazy because the work isnt stimulating the class has to pull up the weaker kids but honestly you cant.
I actually had an math teacher who repeatedly held up the class trying to force this borderline retarded guy to do algebra. Back then, it was kind of funny; but still, I believe that there's an bit of an limit on what people can naturally learn within an specific timeframe.
It boggles my mind that this isn’t taken into account. Kids should have a shorter school day broken up with physical activity.
Yeah, the American public education system is an bit of an failure on account that each year barely adds much of anything of substance until you get an little bit into high school. But we had two separate periods to run around, plus P.E. Not entirely sure if an shorter school day would actually work, given how we rarely covered everything within in our textbooks
 
"Gifted" classes are stupid and a waste of time. The only minor benefit they have to the kids involved is a slightly different learning space where paperwork and drills are sidelined in favor of more open-minded exercises in learning, which honestly every kid and classroom could benefit from. Really nothing is lost by eliminating these programs, except where they recognize and approach eligible students and offer them opportunities elsewhere(to be teacher aides, given additional responsibilities or scholarship opportunities, etc). The sentiment is bad, but it really isn't that big of a deal to nuke these bare bones programs where one or two extra teachers treat a handful of smarties with kid gloves.

AP/advanced placement is a different story, if enough students are ready to move up and clear some math/english/science courses earlier than planned, let them. Especially if it leads to early college credits or early graduation. Some retards confuse this with "gifted" kids, which is more of an elementary/middle school thing.
 
The trick is to break it up with physical activity, but schools want to have them in seats to train them to be wagies.
No well at least here in burger land. The state mandates things like some many minutes to reading arts and so many minutes of math. The idea is more time will be a more improvement. They arent thinking anything about creating wagies because thats not how the school gets its money....fuck the kids would be better off if the wagies master were incharge of training them.

That should also be the parents job, and if they won’t or can’t there’s only so much even a good teacher will do.
Good teachers are worth their weight in gold, and their job gets harder each year
I m gonna disagree here as well.

Like with my friend paying the tutor he even admitted the tutor knows her stuff on how to teach his daughter reading. Plus sometimes its better that the relationship have boundries she doesnt have a reason to rebel with the tutor vs daddy. Like say the night before daddy was strict and now she ll fight him.
 
LOL

So, the 90-95% Asian and upper crust white school "cohorts" will now have to deal with the results of how their parents vote?

ROFLMAO.

Looks like Janie Uppercrust will be getting Blacked and Chad Moneypocket will be getting jumped.

Of course, their parents will blame them.

Seattle has been divided as fuck for decades, with the kids of tech bros and tech chicks all going to 'cohorts' where they didn't have to mingle with the children of the results of their parent's decisions, that they usually marched for as well.

I'm gonna be laughing my ass off, since the cohorts won't be code for "No, my child ACTUALLY did work and can read at higher than a 2nd grade level. Those are real grades!" like they are now.

Fuck those bug hive dwelling upper crust fucking tech-boom leeches for what they did to the rural schools as well as the rural communities in the 1990's.

I hope when they go to whine about their kids getting beaten and molested, the parent gets eaten in the parking lot by a Haitian.
I also like the parent who started their statement with "I wholeheartedly believe in equity" i.e. "I voted for this" and proceeds to seethe about their child being equitized.
 
"Gifted" programs take in far, far too many kids to actually select for the far outliers who would benefit from a personally-tailored program and one-to-one tuition.

I have been told that in some parts of America, 20% of children are identified as "gifted". The true figure of far outliers for exceptional ability in kids is more like 1% or less. 20% is the entire high-normal band. The overwhelming majority of those kids are being pushed on by well-off parents (that is not a criticism at all, merely an observation) and the next 20% behind them will meaningfully catch up to them if offered the same teaching.

The actual design of a program to catch your 180 IQ kids needs to be very small and very highly staffed and in all honesty, not to look very much like regular school. Regular school with ability-setting in classes will be just fine for the top 20%.

It's fine to be a bright-normal kid. Not everyone needs to be a special snowflake.

If a parent wants the social advantages that come from their kids remaining in a school with only the other top 20% bright-normal middle class kids, that's what private education is for. Nothing wrong with buying advantage for your children. But that's not an advantage that the government needs to pay for on your behalf.
 
Some of y'all are assuming that the left is all of one mind on this, or that the left is incapable of taking a nuanced perspective.

Rate me optimistic, but I personally believe that by graduation, the overwhelming majority of kids in the US (yes, even the darkies) should be able to read a 300-page book written for adults, employ the quadratic equation, label the major internal organs, state the causes and outcome of the US Civil War, find India on a map, and other basic shit.

I also believe that anyone going to college should know much, much, much more than this.

Perhaps I am overestimating my fellow Farmers, but I would guess that a lot of us were "gifted" and thought that most formal schooling was a near-total waste of time. I knew how to read when I was four, and hours a day, every day were a total waste for me.

But I also appreciate the flip side where some tarded kid who CANNOT read when he is in third grade is also wasting his time sitting in a classroom with kids who can read. Maybe if you pack all the tards into a portable out back they can get there, but meanwhile DeJaunte is acting out because he's bored as shit, and he's sucking down everyone around him.

"YOU VOTED FOR THIS YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE" is like... You think the republicans give a shit about gifted and talented learning, or remedial education? You think Trump gives a shit about the public schools, or has ever set foot in a single public school for a single day? I don't see any big-brain ideas coming from that sector.

"Muh heckin charter schools" are a way of breasting out the public schools and leaving the wings, thighs, legs, guts, bones, and feathers in a heap behind the check station. Fuckin' Lisa Murkowski tore Betsy DeVos a new one during the confirmation hearing where she was like, "In most towns in my state, there is one school. Kids can't just go to a different school down the road. That one school is all they have, and it has to be as good as it can be."

"Equity" to me just looks like what they've been doing my whole life, which is making things as stupid as possible because they don't want to threaten the power structure.
 
I’ve seen high performing schools get shut down…
 
You think the republicans give a shit about gifted and talented learning, or remedial education? You think Trump gives a shit about the public schools, or has ever set foot in a single public school for a single day? I don't see any big-brain ideas coming from that sector.
It's funny you say that because trump is one of the only politicians I've ever heard talk about getting rid of the board of education and making school choice an actual policy. Why the fuck should your kid be forced into whatever shithole happens to be in your zipcode even if you're willing to drive them to and from the place?
 
Rate me optimistic, but I personally believe that by graduation, the overwhelming majority of kids in the US (yes, even the darkies) should be able to read a 300-page book written for adults, employ the quadratic equation, label the major internal organs, state the causes and outcome of the US Civil War, find India on a map, and other basic shit.

That's not possible now that the majority of kids in American schools now have sub-100 IQs.

Some of y'all are assuming that the left is all of one mind on this, or that the left is incapable of taking a nuanced perspective.

The statement, "Some kids are simply not born with the brain power needed to make it through algebra" is as popular in America as declaring the Virgin Mary was a common street whore was in 13th century Italy. It's not just the left that's a problem. Most of the right believes in the fiction of human equality, too.

"Muh heckin charter schools" are a way of breasting out the public schools and leaving the wings, thighs, legs, guts, bones, and feathers in a heap behind the check station.

Dumb kids don't become smarter by being around smart kids. There's a popular fiction that the dumb kids' schools are underfunded (charter schools get blamed for this), and that's why the dumb kids are dumb, but there's z-e-r-o evidence for this.

All, and I do mean literally all, the research literature on child education keeps finding the same thing, that education and funding have no meaningful impact on kids' cognitive abilities. The main factors are genetics, diet, and childhood trauma. Since liberals are fundamentalist science-deniers on the subject of human cognition, none of this affects education or welfare policy in America.

Note that I said very little about race. I experienced all this first hand dealing with smart and dumb white kids in a red state.
 
It's like Tall Poppy Syndrome drives the entire woke line of thinking on this shit. As if half the electorate is operating on the emotional logic of a classroom full of ten year olds who all want to bully the kid who actually knows the answers to the teacher's questions.
 
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It's almost like it's been said countless times that when you try to make people have equal outcomes you end up bringing everyone down to the lowest level and you'll never raise anyone up.
Remember that Harrison Bergeron was intended to be a satire of right-wing depictions of socialism.
This was my first impression after reading the OP. Forcing or imposing diversity, equity, etc. rarely achieves the desired end result.

Talent development programs are a crock of shit.
It depends on the teacher running the program to some extent. One year, the program I was invited to attend was such a joke in terms of enrichment and learning outside the normal school day that I was actually glad when the teacher running it lied to have me removed for the rest of the school year. The next year, time constraints resulted in our group doing stuff that was worthwhile and productive and it was a more enjoyable experience.

Wonder how many of those gifted students will end up being homeschooled, or in privaie/religious schools.
In my region of Kiwi Land, an affluent liberal school district saw parents take their kids out of the public schools when they dropped various programs and activities post COVID and required online learning long after many districts were back in school part or full time. The article reported that parents took their kids to any private or charter school in the city with enrollment space for them, and I won't be surprised if the more conservative families that left chose a popular but not well-known home school program that operates in the city. Some parents do move their kids, but it's usually memory holed and dismissed as routine enrollment fluctuations as much as possible.

But yah, the normie school spends 3x as much as the magnet school but for "some" reason grade are in the toilet.
Too many districts believe more money is always the answer when it's not. That's one of the main reasons Detroit Public Schools ended up filing for bankruptcy.

Also, look at how many school districts spent COVID money for everything but the protective items they originally demanded the funding for! Many schools in my part of kiwi Land used the money to hire more teachers or make various renovations. One went as far as creating a new room for students to nap, relax, or drink smoothies if learning was too stressful for them.

The sad truth is that kids have about 1-3 hours of attention span. Alot of fucking time is wasted herding cats and doing the lesson the state demands so much time for each subject.

Normal day for a finnish first and second graders age 7 & 8:
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When some adults can't handle being seated for 3-plus hours at a time, how can they expect kids to do just that. There definitely needs to be a second break time during the day so kids have a chance to blow off steam and finish the school day on a strong note.

The dumbing down of American students has been horrifying to witness in real time, even if it occurs where it's expected such as the PNW area or any other ultra-liberal stronghold.
 
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The American education system's biggest problem is, or at least was that its teaching methods were homogenous. They'd skim the cream of the crop into AP and honor roll classes and filter the dregs into special needs classes and the other 90% were on a set rigid track. Since the 80's as a response to girls doing worse academically they reformulated classes to fit them, but did nothing to ensure the male students could thrive. It's only gotten worse with SEL and common core programs, as well as the wether underground's seeds coming to fruition with entrenched radical teachers.
 
Back when I was a young lad, JR high is where shit got cool.

Starting in 7th grade you were given access to metal shop, wood shop, printing (honest to got presses, silk screen, photostat screening), auto shop. You had home-ec (Always take that class before lunch, that way you can cook your own lunch and drink beer on the back patio while you smoke a cigarette).

By High School (11th Grade) you were working part time for a business, where you'd transfer to at the end of High School or go onto college with actual work-study credits. 4H kids went into vet, fierrer (sp?) work, shit like that.

It was mainly because school funding came from the county/school district.

Then in the mid to late 80's the cities started sucking up ALL the funding. Then they started getting rid of the electives (microbiology in 7th grade rocked) and then they adjusted the classes for the lowest common denominator.

The No Child Left Behind came in.

The school admin started talking about how recess and hour long lunches didn't earn the school money, 'putting asses in the seats' did.

Then the schools started treating boys like malfunctioning girls.

And the schools tried to mainstream the tards.

Abolish the Department of Education.

Turn it back over to the States/County.

Oh, and I went to a fucking hick school, but they still had Apple IIe computers in the typewriter room.
 
This was my first impression after reading the OP. Forcing or imposing diversity, equity, etc. rarely achieves the desired end result.
The reality is that not all people are equal, even if you assume all races are equally capable, you'd still see different groups rising to different levels do to culture and desires, some would be good at math, others at crafting, and some at taking other people's bikes.
 
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