Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

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I'm not trying to be pedantic, but it literally does change the meaning. If you say "unrepresented parties and counsel" it can mean unrepresented parties and unrepresented counsel (which is what made me bring it up in the first place, cause I didn't know if that was a thing) OR it can mean unrepresented parties and, counsel (represented or not).

Same as if i say "stop all red cars and trucks", do you stop a green truck? It's ambiguous. If i say "stop all trucks and red cars," then clearly you'd stop a green truck.

Again I'm not trying to argue or be a dick, I literally thought it meant unrepresented counsel which doesn't make since and I assumed it was some legal thing I didn't know about.
The problem with your theory is that ",unrepresented parties" is a term of art and "unrepresented counsel" is gibberish, so there's no reasonable likelihood of confusion. I don't think it's fair to attack the justice system because you can't read good, there are plenty of legitimate reasons you don't need to dilute.
 
Has anyone checked pacer for the new thing yet?


Just because you think that's how English works that's not how everyone agrees how English works.
But that is how English works. The other guy already explained it better. "Stop all red cars and trucks" has two intepretable meanings: stop all red cars and trucks (regardless of colour), or stop all red cars and red trucks.

Flip the sentence around "stop all trucks and red cars" has only one intepretable meaning. Therefore it is clearer.
 
But that is how English works. The other guy already explained it better. "Stop all red cars and trucks" has two intepretable meanings: stop all red cars and trucks (regardless of colour), or stop all red cars and red trucks.

Flip the sentence around "stop all trucks and red cars" has only one intepretable meaning. Therefore it is clearer.
You're over applying the rule. The case were actually discussing is more like saying "stop all monster trucks and boats" and you're over here smugly asking "what about monster boats" when it isnt even a category.
 
You're over applying the rule. The case were actually discussing is more like saying "stop all monster trucks and boats" and you're over here smugly asking "what about monster boats" when it isnt even a category.
Fair enough, that makes sense. But the post I was responding to seemed to be implying that "just" flipping a sentence doesn't (or even can't?) make it clearer, which I think is wrong. I wasn't trying to be smug about it.

Pshhhhhhh... this is pretty poor though. I guess this is what happens when we're all just waiting around for the case to move forward.
 
You're over applying the rule. The case were actually discussing is more like saying "stop all monster trucks and boats" and you're over here smugly asking "what about monster boats" when it isnt even a category.
 

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If Florida demands Utah rule on pending motions, would that mean Utah also has to rule on Hardin's motions, such as striking irrelevant shit from the record, making Lolcow LLC the defendant instead of a website, and adding Google? Because none of those were ever ruled on.

Would the case moving to Florida mean the Florida Judge finally rules on any of these, or would Hardin have to ask again in Florida?
 
Have I satisfied your burning curiosity or should I still kill myself?
Bro, you are just here to complain about shit. Please, do, in fact, kill yourself. Go sperg somewhere else.
Has anyone checked pacer for the new thing yet?
Nothing.
Fair enough, that makes sense. But the post I was responding to seemed to be implying that "just" flipping a sentence doesn't (or even can't?) make it clearer, which I think is wrong. I wasn't trying to be smug about it.
I stated that in this instance all it did was flip the sentence and not make anything clearer. He very well could have went with "all parties are required to" to remove confusion, or perhaps go with "all represented and unrepresented parties". Whether that is better than the original is, of course, up to you to determine for your own.
If Florida demands Utah rule on pending motions, would that Utah also has to rule on Hardin's motions, such as striking irrelevant shit from the record, making Lolcow LLC the defendant instead of a website, and adding Google?
No. The order specifically referred to the pending motions that were filed as an after-the-fact objection to transfer.
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Would the case moving to Florida mean the Florida Judge finally rules on any of these, or would Hardin have to ask again in Florida?
They remain pending in Florida, and Florida can chose to rule at them at any time (to the extent the Utah issue gets resolved)
 
There are two: the actual Article III judge, Margaret Catharine Rodgers, and the guy actually doing stuff currently, Zachary C. Bolitho, who will be handling non-dispositive motions (like the current scheduling nonsense and other procedural things that do not end the case if decided) unless both parties consent to actual trial before him.

I like one of his rules:
  1. Unrepresented parties and counsel seeking to utilize any courtroom technology for purposes of a hearing or trial should contact the Courtroom Deputy to test the equipment prior to the scheduled hearing or trial.
I believe this man has had a "Greer moment" or two in his court.
Lots of courts have this rule now.

It says "unrepresented parties and counsel," if they mean "counsel and unrepresented parties," they should say that. Ambiguous language is one of the big reasons the justice system is utterly fucked.
It's not unambiguous. You can't have "unrepresented counsel"......quit trying to make Greer-ish arguments
 
If Florida demands Utah rule on pending motions, would that mean Utah also has to rule on Hardin's motions, such as striking irrelevant shit from the record, making Lolcow LLC the defendant instead of a website, and adding Google? Because none of those were ever ruled on.

Would the case moving to Florida mean the Florida Judge finally rules on any of these, or would Hardin have to ask again in Florida?
Technically what Florida is concerned with is those after the fact motions of "no fair you can't move my case!!!" Given how utterly insane things have been in Utah, the Florida Judge does not want to start acting on a case where Utah may insanely cry "I want it back". This situation is not supposed to be possible. But never discount the power of weapon iced autism.
 
Honestly, Greer showing up with a ludicrously short HDMI cable is both hilarious, but also pretty low on the scale of fuckups. I would half expect him to have his "evidence" on a Zune or LaserDisc.
Well, he was also a half-hour late on top of that and had just come from somewhere he could have bought a real HDMI cable.
Bro, you just flipped the sentence around. You didn't end up changing it to be clearer.
If a sentence is grammatically ambiguous but one possible interpretation is completely insane, you go with the one that actually makes sense. "Unrepresented parties" and "counsel."
 
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