US Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable

Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable




PHOENIX — The Arizona Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that a 160-year-old near-total abortion ban still on the books in the state is enforceable, a bombshell decision that adds the state to the growing lists of places where abortion care is effectively banned.

The ruling allows an 1864 law in Arizona to stand that made abortion a a felony punishable by two to five years in prison for anyone who performs or helps a woman obtain one.

The law — which was codified again in 1901, and once again in 1913, after Arizona became a state — included an exception to save the woman’s life.

That Civil War-era law — enacted a half-century before Arizona even gained statehood — was never repealed and an appellate court ruled last year that it could remain on the books as long as it was “harmonized” with the 2022 law, leading to substantial confusion in Arizona regarding exactly when during a pregnancy abortion was outlawed.

The decision — which could shutter abortion clinics in the state — effectively undoes a lower court’s ruling that stated that a more recent 15-week ban from March 2022 superseded the 1864 law.

In a 4-2 ruling, the court’s majority concluded that the 15-week ban “does not create a right to, or otherwise provide independent statutory authority for, an abortion that repeals or restricts” the Civil War-era ban “but rather is predicated entirely on the existence of a federal constitutional right to an abortion since disclaimed” by the 2022 Dobbs decision that overturned Roe v. Wade.

“Absent the federal constitutional abortion right, and because” the 2022 law does not independently authorize abortion, there is no provision in federal or state law prohibiting” the 1864 ban.

They added, that the ban “is now enforceable.”

Tuesday’s ruling marks the latest chapter in a decades-long saga of litigation in the battleground state over abortion rights.

Reproductive rights groups had sued to overturn the 19th century law in 1971.

But when the Roe decision came down in 1973, state court ruled against those groups and placed an injunction on the 1864 ban that remained in effect until the Dobbs decision.

In March 2022, Republican lawmakers in the state enacted the 15-week trigger ban, which, months later — after the Dobbs decision — snapped into effect. The law makes exceptions for medical emergencies but not for rape or incest.

Litigation resumed after that decision as lawmakers on both sides of the issues sought clarity on whether to enforce the 1864 near-total ban or the 2022 15-week ban.

A state appellate initially court ruled that both the 1864 and 2022 laws could eventually be “harmonized,” but also said that the 15-week ban superseded the near-total abortion ban and put on hold large parts of the older law.

But the issue could soon be in the hands of voters. Abortion rights groups in the state are likely to succeed in their goal of putting a proposed constitutional amendment on the November 2024 ballot that would create a “fundamental right” to receive abortion care up until fetal viability, or about the 24th week of pregnancy.

If voters approved the ballot measure, it would effectively undo the 1864 ban that now remains law in the state. it would bar the state from restricting abortion care in situations where the health or life of the pregnant person is at risk after the point of viability, according to the treating health care professional.

The ballot effort is one of at least 11 across the country that seek to put the issue directly in the hands of voters — a move that has the potential to significantly boost turnout for Democratic candidates emphasizing the issue.

In 2024, that could factor heavily into the outcome of both the presidential and U.S. Senate races in Arizona. President Joe Biden, whose campaign is leaning heavily into reproductive rights, won the state by just over 10,000 votes four years ago. And the Senate race features a tough battle to fill the seat held by the retiring independent Sen. Krysten Sinema, I-Ariz., between Democrat Ruben Gallego and Republican Kari Lake.

During her unsuccessful 2022 run for governor in Arizona, Lake said she supported the 1864 law, calling it “a great law that’s already on the books.” But Lake now says she opposes the 1864 law, as well as a federal abortion ban, while also acknowledging that her own views regarding state policy conflict with some voters’ preferences.

Gallego, who is backed by several reproductive rights groups, has said he supports the ballot measure. As a member of the U.S. House, he is among the co-sponsors of the Women’s Health Protection Act, which would create federal abortion protections.

The ruling Tuesday — the second in a swing state on the issue in as many weeks — further highlights the already prominent role abortion rights will play in Arizona and across the country.

Last week, the Florida Supreme Court upheld a 15-week ban on abortion in the state, which effectively meant that a six-week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the woman, that Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law last year will take effect. The state's high court also allowed a proposed amendment that would enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution to appear on the November ballot.

Tuesday’s decision sent shockwaves through the reproductive rights community in Arizona and nationally, though the decision wasn’t entirely unexpected. All seven justices on the Arizona Supreme Court were appointed by Republican governors, and during opening arguments in December, they aggressively, but civilly, quizzed attorneys on both sides about the fact that the 15-week ban enacted last year did not feature any language making clear whether it was designed to repeal or replace the 1864 ban.

Only six justices participated in Tuesday’s decision, however, after Justice Bill Montgomery — who previously accused Planned Parenthood of practicing “generational genocide” — recused himself. (The court’s chief justice did not appoint another judge to take the spot, which is an option under Arizona law).

The abortion landscape in Arizona has been uniquely confusing since Roe v. Wade was overturned.

While the 1864 law had been on hold after the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe decision, then-Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich, a Republican, successfully sued to have that injunction lifted following the overturning of Roe, putting the ban back into effect — though a higher court put that ruling on hold.

But after Democrat Kris Mayes succeeded Brnovich as attorney general, she announced that she would not enforce the 1864 ban.

That led to suits from anti-abortion groups seeking enforcement of the ban, which ultimately led to the case making its way up to the state Supreme Court.
 
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Fixed it for ya

I guess women who find out their fetus is FUBAR at the 20wk scan are shit outta luck

We have gone over this before Andy. You are allowed to call out Christian groups for child abuse. It's encouraged infact.

However fags and trannies are off limits for some reason. Can't call them for when they are trying to groom and rape kids.
 
No, you're a pathetic, dopey moody adult who has their beleifs spooned to them by fags on Twitter. Thank god you will never reproduce as a result because us "Gate Keepers" want nothing to do with sorry fatherless fags like your self.

I have kids. Mentioned it before. Its awesome that im not a dried up roastie who thinks they are cool because their only legacy is have a 10 year old reg date for a forum dedicated to stalking a aspie.

Stop spreading your legs for every Tom, dick and John, find a nice guy to settle down with and maybe you won't be a miserable hag anymore.
 
Grooming isn’t specific to the LGBT you fucking retard.

As long as the lgbt organization go out of their way to protect and enable all grooming and child rape then they are all complicit as far as I am concerned.

How many kids have you groomed today you fucking faggot?

Edits: looks like I kicked the hornets nest of angry whores and faggots for speaking the truth.
 
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Obligatory reminder that every state in the US, even the reddest of the red have special provisions for cases like rape or her being too young or when she has a condition that makes the birth life-threatening. The abortion bans extend only to when the mother has no real reason and just does it for fun or convenience.
Also reminder that because of the above, everyone calling abortions things like 'crucial' or 'life-saving' or other similar things is lying to your face. Same goes for the word 'care'. You are literally killing babies, stop claiming you care for anyone.

With as many femcels running around nowadays, I don't think you can say this anymore.
If she's a femCEL, she won't have to worry about getting pregnant.

Indeed, which is why no state should force children to give birth and people who force children to give birth should be punished
See the top part of this post.
 
They're just extremely overrepresented. There might be one straight guy out there with a desire to contract HIV on purpose, that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of bug chasers are faggots.
they're actually underrepresented if anything. They're just overrepresented on FauxNews or Epoch Times or whatever right wing horseshit site you exclusively get news from, because those sites only cover LGBTQ pedos (and say nothing about the thousands of youth pastors busted yearly for diddling little girls, or churches that groom them to be in relationships with adult men and shit like that).
Obligatory reminder that every state in the US, even the reddest of the red have special provisions for cases like rape or her being too young or when she has a condition that makes the birth life-threatening.
Not Texas, Ohio, or Alabama. Even women with life-threatening conditions like sepsis and ectopic pregnancies have been denied abortions in those states.
 
they're actually underrepresented if anything. They're just overrepresented on FauxNews or Epoch Times or whatever right wing horseshit site you exclusively get news from, because those sites only cover LGBTQ pedos (and say nothing about the thousands of youth pastors busted yearly for diddling little girls, or churches that groom them to be in relationships with adult men and shit like that).

Not Texas, Ohio, or Alabama. Even women with life-threatening conditions like sepsis and ectopic pregnancies have been denied abortions in those states.
"[M]ost men who molest little boys are not gay."

Cool story bro.
 

M]ost men who molest little boys are not gay. Only 21 percent of the child molesters we studied who assault little boys were exclusively homosexual. Nearly 80 percent of the men who molested little boys were heterosexual or bisexual and most of these men were married and had children of their own."

That male molesting the other male was totally not gay. We swear! Totally not a beard to get close to young boys.

Sounds like bisexuals are the problem then. No wonder faggots and straights want nothing to do with those shifty bastards.
 
"[M]ost men who molest little boys are not gay."

Cool story bro.
They usually don't identify as gay anyway and are in relationships with adult women if they have relationships with adults. Most child molesters aren't loud and proud members of the LGBTQ community.

Girls are also more likely to be sexually abused than boys.
 
What is with abortion supporters having a complete lack of civics knowledge?
I don't have much in the way of an actual opinion on abortion itself per-se, but proponents of abortion all seem as disingenuous and retarded as Raptor. Antiabortionist arguments are often sheepdogish indignation full of religious rah-rah, but always genuine religious rah-rah.
Abortionists have to tap dance around what they want with propose one-in-a-million hypotheticals, mischaracterize the law when it already accounts for those hypotheticals, mischaracterize the nature of the laws they do want passed, masking their language in obtuse terminology, etc.
Antiabortionists just tell you straight up they don't want nun of dem 'bortion's cuz it's against gawd, no fuck-fuck language games required.
 
They usually don't identify as gay anyway and are in relationships with adult women if they have relationships with adults. Most child molesters aren't loud and proud members of the LGBTQ community.

Girls are also more likely to be sexually abused than boys.
Im not mentally ill so I don't really care what people identify as. A man who has sexual intercourse with men or in the case of children rapes a boy is not heterosexual.
 

Science and case management experience has shown us that most child molesters are heterosexual. Abuse is about power and control and is not anchored by sexual orientation. Dr. Gene Abel, a researcher in the field of sexual violence for over twenty-five years, wrote an article for the average parent in Redbook magazine to take the knowledge he gained in doing over 100 scientific articles to provide specific warning signs for parents and caregivers. In this article, he explicitly states that most cases of boys being molested are attributed to heterosexuals.

Hmmm OK. Let's check him on the Ole Wikipedia

He is a couple's counselor and also works with men and boys suspected of sexual deviancy. He is the creator of the Abel Assessment for Sexual Interest (AASI), a sex offender assessment tool that has been considered unreliable by independent studies and inadmissible in court in various jurisdictions. He also designed a screening test called the Diana Screen, to be used, e.g., to screen job applicants for deviant sexual tendencies – a test which has been similarly criticized as having dubious scientific value.

Kek

Lack of known scientific basis for assessment test methodology

Abel has been criticized for having no clear, well-accepted scientific basis for his assessment process. Abel wrote a report called "The Abel and Harlow Child Molestation Prevention Study" in a chapter of a 2001 self-published book he wrote called The Stop Child Molestation Book (coauthored with Nora Harlow, using the self-publication service Xlibris), and the Abel Assessment test is based on findings of a study associated with that report. However, the report was never subject to peer review and was not published in any professional journal, and it provides no detailed description of his testing methodology for scientific study and independent verification.

Abel is also said to have exaggerated various statistics in order to support his conclusions and methodology. For example, in the early 1990s he announced that he had figures suggesting that sex offenders commonly have multiple paraphilias. However, a 1991 journal publication refuted this claim in a report criticizing Abel's methods for double counting, and thus skewing the study's statistical weight.

Mental health professionals have used the AASI to civilly commit sex offenders, even though the Assessment is not admissible in many courts in the United States. In 2002, the Assessment was found to be inadmissible in court cases in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, a ruling that was upheld by the Massachusetts Court of Appeals in 2005. In a 2002 decision on the admissibility of the test by Texas appellate judge Brian Quinn, the court said that since Abel's proprietary scoring methodology is not publicly known, it "could be mathematically based, founded upon indisputable empirical research, or simply the magic of young Harry Potter's mixing potions at the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry". The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals also ruled in 2004 that the Assessment is a tool that should be used only as treatment, and that it cannot detect whether a person has sexually abused children. Independent studies of the Assessment have concluded it to be unreliable in adults and that there is not yet enough information to support its use with adolescents, whereas Abel states in his book that a therapist can not only use the Assessment for assessing adults, but also as a tool to determine whether a child is attracted to other children.

The Diana Screen has also been a source of controversy for Abel due to it being a pass/fail assessment. The assessment purports to determine if someone has molested a child. Abel has promoted the use of the Diana Screen as a business opportunity for individuals and agencies

Double kek
 
If only human fetuses could gestate as fast as A&N can reeeeeee-post in any thread with 'abortion' in the title, I feel like this entire discussion would probably be moot.
If only humans laid eggs so abortion would be as simple as popping some eggs in the freezer
 
Obligatory reminder that every state in the US, even the reddest of the red have special provisions for cases like rape or her being too young or when she has a condition that makes the birth life-threatening. The abortion bans extend only to when the mother has no real reason and just does it for fun or convenience.
Women don’t have an abortion for “fun” and what do you mean by “convenience”? There are so many factors and reasons why a woman decides to not be a mother. Last I checked, pregnancy and childbirth are some of the most difficult things a human being can endure, and nobody should be forced to go through with it if they don’t want to. Accidents happen even when birth control is used.
 
Grooming isn’t specific to the LGBT you fucking retard.
Nobody said it was. Why are you so defensive?

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Last I checked, pregnancy and childbirth are some of the most difficult things a human being can endure, and nobody should be forced to go through with it if they don’t want to.
Then don't have sex unprotected. If you can't deal with the consequences, don't do it.
 
Women don’t have an abortion for “fun” and what do you mean by “convenience”? There are so many factors and reasons why a woman decides to not be a mother. Last I checked, pregnancy and childbirth are some of the most difficult things a human being can endure, and nobody should be forced to go through with it if they don’t want to. Accidents happen even when birth control is used.
Accidents, carelessness, discomfort and inconvenience are not justifications for murder.
 
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