US Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable

Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable




PHOENIX — The Arizona Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that a 160-year-old near-total abortion ban still on the books in the state is enforceable, a bombshell decision that adds the state to the growing lists of places where abortion care is effectively banned.

The ruling allows an 1864 law in Arizona to stand that made abortion a a felony punishable by two to five years in prison for anyone who performs or helps a woman obtain one.

The law — which was codified again in 1901, and once again in 1913, after Arizona became a state — included an exception to save the woman’s life.

That Civil War-era law — enacted a half-century before Arizona even gained statehood — was never repealed and an appellate court ruled last year that it could remain on the books as long as it was “harmonized” with the 2022 law, leading to substantial confusion in Arizona regarding exactly when during a pregnancy abortion was outlawed.

The decision — which could shutter abortion clinics in the state — effectively undoes a lower court’s ruling that stated that a more recent 15-week ban from March 2022 superseded the 1864 law.

In a 4-2 ruling, the court’s majority concluded that the 15-week ban “does not create a right to, or otherwise provide independent statutory authority for, an abortion that repeals or restricts” the Civil War-era ban “but rather is predicated entirely on the existence of a federal constitutional right to an abortion since disclaimed” by the 2022 Dobbs decision that overturned Roe v. Wade.

“Absent the federal constitutional abortion right, and because” the 2022 law does not independently authorize abortion, there is no provision in federal or state law prohibiting” the 1864 ban.

They added, that the ban “is now enforceable.”

Tuesday’s ruling marks the latest chapter in a decades-long saga of litigation in the battleground state over abortion rights.

Reproductive rights groups had sued to overturn the 19th century law in 1971.

But when the Roe decision came down in 1973, state court ruled against those groups and placed an injunction on the 1864 ban that remained in effect until the Dobbs decision.

In March 2022, Republican lawmakers in the state enacted the 15-week trigger ban, which, months later — after the Dobbs decision — snapped into effect. The law makes exceptions for medical emergencies but not for rape or incest.

Litigation resumed after that decision as lawmakers on both sides of the issues sought clarity on whether to enforce the 1864 near-total ban or the 2022 15-week ban.

A state appellate initially court ruled that both the 1864 and 2022 laws could eventually be “harmonized,” but also said that the 15-week ban superseded the near-total abortion ban and put on hold large parts of the older law.

But the issue could soon be in the hands of voters. Abortion rights groups in the state are likely to succeed in their goal of putting a proposed constitutional amendment on the November 2024 ballot that would create a “fundamental right” to receive abortion care up until fetal viability, or about the 24th week of pregnancy.

If voters approved the ballot measure, it would effectively undo the 1864 ban that now remains law in the state. it would bar the state from restricting abortion care in situations where the health or life of the pregnant person is at risk after the point of viability, according to the treating health care professional.

The ballot effort is one of at least 11 across the country that seek to put the issue directly in the hands of voters — a move that has the potential to significantly boost turnout for Democratic candidates emphasizing the issue.

In 2024, that could factor heavily into the outcome of both the presidential and U.S. Senate races in Arizona. President Joe Biden, whose campaign is leaning heavily into reproductive rights, won the state by just over 10,000 votes four years ago. And the Senate race features a tough battle to fill the seat held by the retiring independent Sen. Krysten Sinema, I-Ariz., between Democrat Ruben Gallego and Republican Kari Lake.

During her unsuccessful 2022 run for governor in Arizona, Lake said she supported the 1864 law, calling it “a great law that’s already on the books.” But Lake now says she opposes the 1864 law, as well as a federal abortion ban, while also acknowledging that her own views regarding state policy conflict with some voters’ preferences.

Gallego, who is backed by several reproductive rights groups, has said he supports the ballot measure. As a member of the U.S. House, he is among the co-sponsors of the Women’s Health Protection Act, which would create federal abortion protections.

The ruling Tuesday — the second in a swing state on the issue in as many weeks — further highlights the already prominent role abortion rights will play in Arizona and across the country.

Last week, the Florida Supreme Court upheld a 15-week ban on abortion in the state, which effectively meant that a six-week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the woman, that Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law last year will take effect. The state's high court also allowed a proposed amendment that would enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution to appear on the November ballot.

Tuesday’s decision sent shockwaves through the reproductive rights community in Arizona and nationally, though the decision wasn’t entirely unexpected. All seven justices on the Arizona Supreme Court were appointed by Republican governors, and during opening arguments in December, they aggressively, but civilly, quizzed attorneys on both sides about the fact that the 15-week ban enacted last year did not feature any language making clear whether it was designed to repeal or replace the 1864 ban.

Only six justices participated in Tuesday’s decision, however, after Justice Bill Montgomery — who previously accused Planned Parenthood of practicing “generational genocide” — recused himself. (The court’s chief justice did not appoint another judge to take the spot, which is an option under Arizona law).

The abortion landscape in Arizona has been uniquely confusing since Roe v. Wade was overturned.

While the 1864 law had been on hold after the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe decision, then-Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich, a Republican, successfully sued to have that injunction lifted following the overturning of Roe, putting the ban back into effect — though a higher court put that ruling on hold.

But after Democrat Kris Mayes succeeded Brnovich as attorney general, she announced that she would not enforce the 1864 ban.

That led to suits from anti-abortion groups seeking enforcement of the ban, which ultimately led to the case making its way up to the state Supreme Court.
 
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If women can't independently deal with the consequences of their actions should they be allowed to make significant decisions?
It's amazing how all their arguments for why they should be allowed to murder babies only ends up giving more credibility to why women were seen as second classes citizens who must be kept in line by their man.

Serious "you can't expect me to be responsible for my actions!" vibes
 
It's amazing how all their arguments for why they should be allowed to murder babies only ends up giving more credibility to why women were seen as second classes citizens who must be kept in line by their man.

Serious "you can't expect me to be responsible for my actions!" vibes
Do IVF clinics murder babies?
 
If you’re going to be that fucking ignorant about history then you shouldn’t even have a stake in this debate at all.
Even if, it's only the newer "we're going to stick a vacuum inside your uterus and RIP your child to shreds" method that made it really popular. Otherwise people would go back to those older methods way more often and wouldn't throw a fit over the abortion industry getting regulated. I'd wager they're so dangerous that people didn't really do that outside of emergencies.
You know, actual emergencies, not "I kept jumping on random dicks and now I don't know who the father is."
 
Since you are all screaming about baby killing, are any of you supportive of the state or the government providing financial help to women who aren’t able to care of their newborn babies? Or food? Or any kind of assistance?

Or are y’all retarded about that as well?
To what end? There's no way to help women who leave their babies to die at home while they go party for days. the solution isn't to kill a baby because the mom wants to be a thot.

But for food or material assistance the government, religious and non religious groups provide plenty. the Government and NGO's also provide funds for daycare.
 
Let's calm down and try to nip this issue at the source

SEX

Perhaps we can normalize other forms of sexual activity that don't result in pregnancy


Me and my wife have started fisting each other's assholes

At first I hated it but after awhile the sensation grows on you and the gaping asshole helps me in my late 30s with constipation
 
To what end? There's no way to help women who leave their babies to die at home while they go party for days. the solution isn't to kill a baby because the mom wants to be a thot.

But for food or material assistance the government, religious and non religious groups provide plenty. the Government and NGO's also provide funds for daycare.
The patriarchy should allow me to live a life free of consequences.
 
To what end? There's no way to help women who leave their babies to die at home while they go party for days. the solution isn't to kill a baby because the mom wants to be a thot.

But for food or material assistance the government, religious and non religious groups provide plenty. the Government and NGO's also provide funds for daycare.
I've volunteered at a few food banks and they've all been church sponsored. Also staffed by people from the congregation largely. Its really crazy to see how much charity comes from churches for people
 
Do faggots and tranny get an unequal weight on making decisions for societies kids so they have easier access to grooming them?

The answer is yes.
i have an idea.

Step 1: Disrobe completely
Step 2: Take a shotgun outside with you. Ask your wife to come along.
Step 3: Bend over and gradually shove the gun up your rectum. If you hit your prostrate it will feel good having that hard metal object inside you will feel incredible. Like getting an abortion in reverse.
Step 4: Have your wife kneel down below and pull the trigger.
Step 5: Boom. You killed yourself and everyone now thinks you’re a sodomite.
Step 6: Wife marries an actual loving pro-abortion husband and the kids have a loving father who doesn’t spend all his time in A&N screeching about Sodom and Gomorrah and how women are whores.

Everybody wins :)
 
i have an idea.

Step 1: Disrobe completely
Step 2: Take a shotgun outside with you. Ask your wife to come along.
Step 3: Bend over and gradually shove the gun up your rectum. If you hit your prostrate it will feel good having that hard metal object inside you will feel incredible. Like getting an abortion in reverse.
Step 4: Have your wife kneel down below and pull the trigger.
Step 5: Boom. You killed yourself and everyone now thinks you’re a sodomite.
Step 6: Wife marries an actual loving pro-abortion husband and the kids have a loving father who doesn’t spend all his time in A&N screeching about Sodom and Gomorrah and how women are whores.

Everybody wins :)

Hoe mad x 24
 
I love the idea that women both gatekeep sex, have so much sex they need regular abortions for fun and that they should also close their legs and commit to any man who happens to break through a cheap condom.

So... they're supposed to be very extremely ultra selective in any sexual partner but also never gatekeep the opportunity for a man to have sex, which they then will need to marry and have children with him.

Thus, the ideal situation must be the moment a singular male looks at a woman with sexual intentions, she is immediately betrothed to him, and only him, for the rest of her life where she will carry all babies they ever conceive. This is where you can then bring up age of consent to determine when you're allowed to view a female with sexual intentions to begin that conquest.

I'm for abortions just to stick it to retarded men who think like this. Someday a poor unsuspecting (or drunk) woman may end up with you and it would not be a great loss if she had to get an abortion.
 
I've volunteered at a few food banks and they've all been church sponsored. Also staffed by people from the congregation largely. Its really crazy to see how much charity comes from churches for people
baby formula and diapers are on every foodbank's list of needs. i've never seen a food bank not offer or ask for them. that's religious and secular too. there's a lot of open charity for single moms. the big issue are the retards who don't see their kids as little humans but a burden on their partying lifestyle.
 
i have an idea.

Step 1: Disrobe completely
Step 2: Take a shotgun outside with you. Ask your wife to come along.
Step 3: Bend over and gradually shove the gun up your rectum. If you hit your prostrate it will feel good having that hard metal object inside you will feel incredible. Like getting an abortion in reverse.
Step 4: Have your wife kneel down below and pull the trigger.
Step 5: Boom. You killed yourself and everyone now thinks you’re a sodomite.
Step 6: Wife marries an actual loving pro-abortion husband and the kids have a loving father who doesn’t spend all his time in A&N screeching about Sodom and Gomorrah and how women are whores.

Everybody wins :)
While I appreciate the unorthodox method of sexual activity I'm pretty sure this counts as a form of murder.

Perhaps there's a form of sexual activity without the use of Firearms, because piss poor Firearms ownership may result in the death of a love one, like a small child which we are trying to prevent

Perhaps we can use a gun shaped dildo instead?
 
i have an idea.

Step 1: Disrobe completely
Step 2: Take a shotgun outside with you. Ask your wife to come along.
Step 3: Bend over and gradually shove the gun up your rectum. If you hit your prostrate it will feel good having that hard metal object inside you will feel incredible. Like getting an abortion in reverse.
Step 4: Have your wife kneel down below and pull the trigger.
Step 5: Boom. You killed yourself and everyone now thinks you’re a sodomite.
Step 6: Wife marries an actual loving pro-abortion husband and the kids have a loving father who doesn’t spend all his time in A&N screeching about Sodom and Gomorrah and how women are whores.

Everybody wins :)
Nothing gets the ladies quite as irate as the notion of actions having consequences, imploring them to be more selective when it comes to who they permit to ejaculate inside them and naming the queer.
 
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