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A Russian Mi-24 crashed over the west coast of Crimea; the Zisters onboard transitioned to eternal flight mode:
Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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A couple days ago "anonymous sources" claimed Trump's peace plan is to push Ukraine to surrender Luhansk and Donetsk and recognize Russia formally annexing those plus Crimea. Because blankly accepting Russian aggression worked out so well to deter it following 2008 and 2014.
It has the combination of arrogance and delusional ignorance that is typical for Americans and affirms the subhuman grifters running republican politics' rhetoric:
"The killing must end" = We must surrender unconditionally to Russia".
"We need more oversight" = "We must under no circumstances supply weapons to enemies of Russia".
The comment by his team supports that this is a seriously held idea.
It has the combination of arrogance and delusional ignorance that is typical for Americans and affirms the subhuman grifters running republican politics' rhetoric:
"The killing must end" = We must surrender unconditionally to Russia".
"We need more oversight" = "We must under no circumstances supply weapons to enemies of Russia".
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I don't know. I'm afraid that comes off a bit copey. How do we know it was a scrapyard? Is it normal to organize equipment in scrapyards in tidy rows and columns? In this sort of everything-we've-got conflict, would any form of artillery more modern than bamboo tubes really be worthless?
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It doesn't. It says "he's the only one talking about stopping the killing".
Ultimately, you can only judge Trump by what the man actually does. Trying to infer from what other people claim he has said (or worse, their claims about what he hasn't said, but actually intended when he said something else) is a mug's game. The facts are these: Trump, when he was in office, authorised the release of military aid to Ukraine that the previous Obama administration had withheld for several years, largely at the behest of Joe Bidens. When Biden rose to office, one of his first major policy statements was that Russia could nibble bits off Ukraine and the US wouldn't respond. Russia promptly did this. It is true that Biden subsequently continued to supply military aid to Ukraine, but the fact remains that he is the reason Ukraine is in this position now. Trump, at the time, was heavily in favour of sending military aid to Ukraine, in opposition to Republicans like MTG, who wanted to do everything in their power to block biden out of petty spite.
You have to judge Trump by his actions, because the man tells you six different stories in public about what he'd like to do and keeps inventing new ones right up to moment the deal is finalised. Up to now, he has been big on vague rhetoric and short on actual policy statements on the matter. The most he has said is that he wants peace and that he can ensure it happens; he has not said how he would do that. And as I said, attempting to infer his desires from what he says is folly, because he lies so brazenly. Judging by his previous record, his first move might be to sit on his thumb and do nothing, or it might be to start bombing Russian generals in their homes. He can't unilaterally sign Ukraine's territory over to Russia, because the US isn't territorially engaged like it was in Afghanistan, so his next step would have to be to promote some sort of negotiated settlement in the vein of the Abraham Accords. He will not be able to force such a settlement, even with the threat of withholding aid, because the belligerents are in such mutually opposed positions as to make it impossible. His final move, if this potential negotiation plan fails, would be to go all-in on supplying arms to Ukraine and force a win that way, because if he can't be seen as the great orange dove of peace, he'll want to be seen as the guy who beat Biden at his own game. IMO he'll probably skip the negotiation step and go straight to beating Biden at his own game, because his ego won't let him attempt something that has a high chance of failing.
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There's no hard facts about anything.
It's speculated that it was scrap because it was still there, even though the Ukrainian military has been suffering a severe artillery challenge for years now. Not even the barrels had been removed at least most of the guns, as far as can be made out.
With sufficient time and lack of care, any military equipment storage facility can start to become a scrapyard in practice.
Even broken down garbage can serve as a decoy. Even guns made literally from bamboo.
Russian soldier actually succeeds in shooting down a drone (with the rifle he took off his comrade), which crashes into said comrade. The shooter walks away with his new rifle as the other man slowly burns. Mysterious.
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The question that keeps coming to my mind is: did this war make these people act with such inhumanity toward their fellows, or were they already like that?
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My guess is the blast instantly killed his tovarisch and he knew standing around was going to only have him suffer the same fate. It doesn’t look like he was moving after being hit or attempting to make any noise. Like all pack creatures another drone will soon show up to avenge its partner.
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Something as simple as towed guns where a handful of grunts can wheel them in place? Yes. It makes sense to put them in neat rows so they can be used as a "pick and pull" for donor parts. The barrels could be pitted, warped or compromised in a way that sustained use could rupture the gun assembly and kill the crew. If they were working examples they could easily be issued and towed out using anything with a trailer hitch.
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More to do with the fact that its a bunch of different people from all over the world at this point you can maybe forgive them for their lack of comradery, alongside a lack of training means there's been no time to instill any kind of solidarity between the different people theyre incorporating.
I could see there being a sort of Machiavellian 'every man for himself' vibe over there.
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I don't know about a military facility, but the scrap yard nearest me has cars in various states of dismantlement arranged fairly neatly. A well organized yard makes more sense than somewhere disorganized. It's unclear.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy stated that he doesn't need "primitive" ideas from potential US presidential candidate Donald Trump regarding ending Russia's aggressive war.
Source: European Pravda, citing Zelenskyy in an interview with Politico
The president noted that he is ready to listen to Trump's proposals for ending the war, but, according to him, "if the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea".
Quote: "I need very strong arguments. I don’t need a fantastic idea, I need a real idea, because people’s lives are at stake," Zelenskyy added.
At the same time, the Ukrainian President spoke respectfully about Trump as a leader with whom he seeks to build a constructive partnership, as noted by Politico.
"We conveyed the messages and the context through the appropriate people. We said that we would like Donald Trump to come to Ukraine, see everything with his own eyes and draw his own conclusions. In any case, I am ready to meet him and discuss the issue," Zelenskyy pointed out.
Zelenskyy also stated that Trump expressed interest in accepting the invitation but did not set a date.
Background:
Source: European Pravda, citing Zelenskyy in an interview with Politico
The president noted that he is ready to listen to Trump's proposals for ending the war, but, according to him, "if the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea".
Quote: "I need very strong arguments. I don’t need a fantastic idea, I need a real idea, because people’s lives are at stake," Zelenskyy added.
At the same time, the Ukrainian President spoke respectfully about Trump as a leader with whom he seeks to build a constructive partnership, as noted by Politico.
"We conveyed the messages and the context through the appropriate people. We said that we would like Donald Trump to come to Ukraine, see everything with his own eyes and draw his own conclusions. In any case, I am ready to meet him and discuss the issue," Zelenskyy pointed out.
Zelenskyy also stated that Trump expressed interest in accepting the invitation but did not set a date.
Background:
- Previously, Trump, the potential Republican candidate for US presidential elections, often boasted that he could negotiate a peaceful deal between Russia and Ukraine within 24 hours if elected. However, he repeatedly declined to clarify how he would accomplish this.
- The Washington Post, citing sources, reported that Trump allegedly seeks to push Ukraine towards concessions to Russia and transfer of Ukrainian territories under its control, including Crimea and Donbas.
- Donald Trump's campaign adviser Jason Miller described the report by The Washington Post, in which the publication allegedly revealed details of Trump's "peace plan" for Ukraine, as fake news.
By Peter Martin and Roxana Tiron
9 April 2024 at 17:09 GMT+1
https://www.bloomberg.com/2024-swing-state-election-poll
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin warned that Ukraine’s recent attacks on Russian oil refineries risk impacting global energy markets and urged the country to focus on military targets instead.
As Ukraine’s battlefield situation has steadily deteriorated in recent weeks, the country has increasingly turned to strikes deep within Russian territory, including infrastructure. The strikes are part of a bid to reduce fuel supplies to the Russian military, as well as to cut revenues from exports that Moscow uses to fund the war.
“Those attacks could have a knock-on effect in terms of the global energy situation,” Austin told the Senate Armed Services committee Tuesday. “Ukraine is better served in going after tactical and operational targets that can directly influence the current fight.”
Read More: Russia’s Crude Exports Fall Back as Flows From the Baltic Shrink
The US has struggled to balance cutting President Vladimir Putin’s war-fueling revenue from petroleum exports with keeping global energy markets supplied to cool inflation and ease a soft-landing for the global economy. It says its main tool — a price cap on Russian oil exports — has been successful, but concerns are rising as global oil prices hit the highest in almost six months, mainly on Middle East tensions.
Austin’s remarks were immediately rebuked by Republican Senator Tom Cotton, who accused the administration of discouraging effective Ukrainian action for political reasons. “It sounds to me that the Biden administration doesn’t want gas prices to go up in an election year,” Cotton said.
President Joe Biden has spent much of his presidency battling inflation, including the price of gasoline for American consumers.
Russia’s seaborne crude exports in the first week of April fell back from the year-to-date high reached at the end of last month, as shipments from the country’s Baltic ports sagged.
Last week’s drop was driven by fewer cargoes from Primorsk and Ust-Luga, where volumes declined by about 20%, tanker-tracking data compiled by Bloomberg show. The pullback followed a surge in flows from those ports in the final two weeks of March amid the Ukrainian drone strikes on refineries, which may have diverted crude into exports rather than processing.
Ukraine has bombed more than a dozen Russian oil refineries since its air offensive began in early January, including some of the biggest plants in the country, according to Giorgi Revishvili, a former senior advisor to Georgia’s National Security Council. Ukraine carried out one of the longest range drone strikes of the war so far on April 2, hitting an oil refinery in Russia’s Tatarstan region approximately 1300 kilometers (800 miles) from the Ukrainian border, he wrote.
Austin repeated the administration’s plea to Congress to approve additional military aid to Ukraine, arguing that such aid also provides jobs to American workers through increases in US defense production.
More than $50 billion in the national security supplemental would be spread across more than 30 states, Austin told the Senate panel. That money would boost defense industry work, including munitions and submarines, Pentagon leaders have said.
The defense secretary also answered questions about the Israel-Hamas war, as the committee’s proceedings were paused multiple times while Austin and others spoke by protesters shouting “shame on you” and “stop bombing Gaza.”
Austin echoed Biden in arguing that Israel should do more to address the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and said the US doesn’t have any evidence that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. But he stressed that mass famine in Gaza would worsen the situation in the Middle East and lead to long-term conflict.
“If Israel wants lasting success it must address the humanitarian needs of the Palestinian people and not in a marginal way, in a meaningful way,” he said.
— With assistance from Julian Lee
9 April 2024 at 17:09 GMT+1
https://www.bloomberg.com/2024-swing-state-election-poll
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin warned that Ukraine’s recent attacks on Russian oil refineries risk impacting global energy markets and urged the country to focus on military targets instead.
As Ukraine’s battlefield situation has steadily deteriorated in recent weeks, the country has increasingly turned to strikes deep within Russian territory, including infrastructure. The strikes are part of a bid to reduce fuel supplies to the Russian military, as well as to cut revenues from exports that Moscow uses to fund the war.
“Those attacks could have a knock-on effect in terms of the global energy situation,” Austin told the Senate Armed Services committee Tuesday. “Ukraine is better served in going after tactical and operational targets that can directly influence the current fight.”
Read More: Russia’s Crude Exports Fall Back as Flows From the Baltic Shrink
The US has struggled to balance cutting President Vladimir Putin’s war-fueling revenue from petroleum exports with keeping global energy markets supplied to cool inflation and ease a soft-landing for the global economy. It says its main tool — a price cap on Russian oil exports — has been successful, but concerns are rising as global oil prices hit the highest in almost six months, mainly on Middle East tensions.
Austin’s remarks were immediately rebuked by Republican Senator Tom Cotton, who accused the administration of discouraging effective Ukrainian action for political reasons. “It sounds to me that the Biden administration doesn’t want gas prices to go up in an election year,” Cotton said.
President Joe Biden has spent much of his presidency battling inflation, including the price of gasoline for American consumers.
Russia’s seaborne crude exports in the first week of April fell back from the year-to-date high reached at the end of last month, as shipments from the country’s Baltic ports sagged.
Last week’s drop was driven by fewer cargoes from Primorsk and Ust-Luga, where volumes declined by about 20%, tanker-tracking data compiled by Bloomberg show. The pullback followed a surge in flows from those ports in the final two weeks of March amid the Ukrainian drone strikes on refineries, which may have diverted crude into exports rather than processing.
Ukraine has bombed more than a dozen Russian oil refineries since its air offensive began in early January, including some of the biggest plants in the country, according to Giorgi Revishvili, a former senior advisor to Georgia’s National Security Council. Ukraine carried out one of the longest range drone strikes of the war so far on April 2, hitting an oil refinery in Russia’s Tatarstan region approximately 1300 kilometers (800 miles) from the Ukrainian border, he wrote.
Austin repeated the administration’s plea to Congress to approve additional military aid to Ukraine, arguing that such aid also provides jobs to American workers through increases in US defense production.
More than $50 billion in the national security supplemental would be spread across more than 30 states, Austin told the Senate panel. That money would boost defense industry work, including munitions and submarines, Pentagon leaders have said.
The defense secretary also answered questions about the Israel-Hamas war, as the committee’s proceedings were paused multiple times while Austin and others spoke by protesters shouting “shame on you” and “stop bombing Gaza.”
Austin echoed Biden in arguing that Israel should do more to address the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and said the US doesn’t have any evidence that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. But he stressed that mass famine in Gaza would worsen the situation in the Middle East and lead to long-term conflict.
“If Israel wants lasting success it must address the humanitarian needs of the Palestinian people and not in a marginal way, in a meaningful way,” he said.
— With assistance from Julian Lee
My archival go to archive.org isn't able to take archives for about an hour and ghostarchive is offline far too much, but the reports are there. I might be repeating what others say, but Lloyd Austin is wrong that these refineries are primarily civilian targets (Russia is the specialist in that). These lower octane refineries fund the war machine and provide fuel for most vehicles. A facility distilling diesel could provide fuel for the civilian market, but everything that a military might use from light to heavy trucks, even cars, also use it. Farther east are the facilities that distil higher octane fuel, but given the expansion in Ukrainian capabilities, they will be hitting them soon. Even if these strikes means fuel shortages for Russian civilians, it is an utterly polite form of strike compared to Russia's direct and deliberate attack on civilians. If the Biden Administration are stopped in their tracks by Squeaker Johnson, they're as useful as chocolate teapots to Ukraine.
I imagine a man who's burning and not moving is dead. There's not much his comrade can do except inhale a foul smell that's part bacon, part fat, part artificial cloth, hair and what not. Moving away therefore makes sense, tho the scene is a bit cold, uncomradely.
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The Ukrainians failed to make use of the artillery, even after eight continuous years of conflict in the Donbas before 2022, and the Russians also failed to make use of them when they temporarily controlled the area, despite both sides desperately needing them (Ukraine begging the West, Russia emptying its Cold War stockpile).
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He didn't even look, let alone check for a pulse, and the fire was tiny. Easily put out by an adult person, assuming no nasty chemicals, which it doesn't look like were used.
Do people who are knocked unconscious not wake up when they catch fire? The usual cases tend to involve breathing in fumes, so I don't know what the result here would be.
Second Russian man abducted in Armenia over alleged draft dodging
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US sanctions hamper Russian efforts to repair refineries
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The vice president of Lukoil, Vitaly Robertus, comitted suicide last month.
Bit of a sample of repair timings for refineries:
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Writeup about how and why the Biden administration is not using billions of dollars earmarked for weapons for Ukraine to actually procure weapons for Ukraine.
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Pretty interesting, albeit autistic, read.
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Dog bless a South Korean nuclear program. More mid-sized countries need to pursue their own in the wake of pax americana. So far only authoritarian shitholes get to develop their own arsenal, which is a bad trend.
Finland extends Russia border closure indefinitely
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Border Guard officers and soldiers of the Polish Army repelled an attempt by a group of over 220 foreigners to illegally cross the border.
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The deportation of children from territories under Muscovite occupation continues:
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It's quite striking, if the man was moving (as other videos) the attitude might still be IDGAF.
Most Putin boosters are people supposedly against Mexicans, Venezuelan (or Somalis/Arabs/insert application migrant group) immigrating illegally, but one of the main axes of illegal immigration sees Russian Borders Guards aid and assist migrants, particularly helping them to places where they'll perish through exposure, as a further means to blackmail. Putin controls that completely. Another axis is via Libyan. Eastern Libya or Cyrenaica is ruled by Russian trained and support Khalifa Haftar. While there is a horde of corrupt people trafficking rescue pseudo charities, roughly 25,000 depart from Russian supported Cyrenaica.
Former CIA Station Chief Paul Kolbe explains the importance of sustaining Ukraine.
This fairly new channel also interviews Gen (rtd) Petraeus in Kyiv for the 2024 Kyiv Economic & Security Forum. Sees Ukraine as having difficulty with adjusting to new Russian tactics like glide bombs. Impressed by C-in-C Gen Sryrski who has the struggle of allocating shortages and is a vet of defending Kyiv in Feb 22 and the 2014 fight in Donetsk and Luhansk. See the big integrating of unmanned systems. 30% of the Black Sea Fleet is gone so UA can explain grain and raw materials. UA supplies 25% of world grain imports. The great use of drones, particularly FPV are doing great work, keeping them updated, under present shortages. Sees stabilising the line as key with Russia making gains under great losses. UA needs a pipeline of air defense, shore defense and other systems. That UA is fighting our common enemy. I note Gen Petraeus carefully avoids saying a single syllable on the political situation in DC, Also concludes that if UA fails, Russia won't stop and that other countries will see the US as unreliable (my note would be that that boat has sailed. Everyone from Iraqi sheikhs to Afghan village elders know to keep back when the US is there as soon it's gone).
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Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of Biden being such a limp dick he let Puting believe he could get away with invading Ukraine. Twice. And you gargling HHH's tiny hamster balls.
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6 months of blocked aid. That is the action I have seen. When the aid starts flowing again I'll stop bullying orange man. Until then I will keep calling him a cheeto, and there's nothing anyone can say to stop me.
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I don't think trump can be held responsible for the actions of Congress when he's not even in office.
Don't forget to mention his tiny hands. He says they're the biggest hands, such big byootiful hands, the best hands for grabbing firmly, but they're actually tiny little things.
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Delusional to even think that Trump will be anything other than hostile.
Two elderly men fronting for various financial interests at differing stages of dementia (Biden a bit more advanced) might not be wholly aware what day it is, but both have a millions of fools who idolise one or the other, you amongst them. Hero worship of corrupt pols is a great failing of the US system.
Anyone who thinks Trump will help Ukraine labors under something schizo-affective or is at best very confused ignoring evidence in plain sight and the words of his perv supporters like groomer Gaetz or the handjob moid. His allies have blocked aid for approaching 100 days. Biden's handlers at least send 30 yo junk from storage which BTFOs post Soviet crap while Trump meets with fellow Putin clients like Orbán. Moscow has basically close to subverting the US political system.
HHH is a troll who's successfully got rent free lodgings in your head.
The political system is a con that drives mostly older folk insane. Many such cases, you amongst them.
Edit: Blocked the lead in the water sufferer. I hope he recovers.
All sane people see the reality of unbelieving Eurasian le 56% faces ruled from Moscow, a place created as the Golden Horde's rape and tribute depot, killing white, Christian people in Ukraine. One politician over another matters little provided they help UA. Otherwise they are the same, waging war on white men and their families and mass importing gimmiegrants.
Two elderly men fronting for various financial interests at differing stages of dementia (Biden a bit more advanced) might not be wholly aware what day it is, but both have a millions of fools who idolise one or the other, you amongst them. Hero worship of corrupt pols is a great failing of the US system.
Anyone who thinks Trump will help Ukraine labors under something schizo-affective or is at best very confused ignoring evidence in plain sight and the words of his perv supporters like groomer Gaetz or the handjob moid. His allies have blocked aid for approaching 100 days. Biden's handlers at least send 30 yo junk from storage which BTFOs post Soviet crap while Trump meets with fellow Putin clients like Orbán. Moscow has basically close to subverting the US political system.
HHH is a troll who's successfully got rent free lodgings in your head.
The political system is a con that drives mostly older folk insane. Many such cases, you amongst them.
Edit: Blocked the lead in the water sufferer. I hope he recovers.
All sane people see the reality of unbelieving Eurasian le 56% faces ruled from Moscow, a place created as the Golden Horde's rape and tribute depot, killing white, Christian people in Ukraine. One politician over another matters little provided they help UA. Otherwise they are the same, waging war on white men and their families and mass importing gimmiegrants.
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Who the fuck knows what he does
First Trump said he is sending nukes for Ukraine
Then he switched to "I just want killing to stop" and "I can negotiate peace between Ukraine and Russia"
See how long Peace talks between south and north Korea lasted, right now fat boy Kim says now is the right time for war.
Koreas didn't annex for obvious reasons and Ukraine won't give rightful Ukraine clay to Russia.
If definition of peace "capitulating to Russian demands" prove that Trump deserves his title as Putin simp and a retard.
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I think that's on Biden's weak cabinet and ineffective State Department. Trump not backing down and issuing threats to North Korea put them on edge compared to that weak nigger bitch Obama who let the Norks literally bomb South Korea and sink a ROKN warship because he was too busy being a stupid nigger and enacting really stupid nigger brained policies. Biden's a fool and Kim Jr. knows it. Trump returning to the world stage will make him less likely to give Trump an excuse to make an example of him.
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Talking down a fat manlet with a ego problem is easy, point was the "peace" and hype for reunification didn't happen.
Judging for that millennials that hype Trump to high heaven, IE liberal hive mind. Trump is retarded when it comes to geopolitics and strong lean on Russian "peace" see what happened in Kazakhstan, Soviet withdrawal and Putin mounted yet another war when given the chance. Russians are Mongol rape babies and behave like them with modern twist. If trump decides to stop all support and Strongarm Zensky to a ceasefire. For example Stalin broke Molotov-Ribbentoff pact by Bukovina in 1940. All the while Imported Russians split Moldova, destabilizing the country, blocking entry to NATO block and attempt to make another launching pad for military expansion.
Give them a inch and ruffians will take a mile, just like their chink cousins.