Law Brazil judge opens inquiry into Musk after refusal to block accounts on X - Musk trying to make X able to resist governments


Posters comment: (This is a good thing. Musk doing this makes X more independent of government control and this is beneficial to the health of the internet. It is also interesting that he chose a country like Brazil rather than somewhere else to make his stand.)


Brazil judge opens inquiry into Musk after refusal to block accounts on X​


BRASILIA, April 7 (Reuters) - A standoff between Elon Musk and Brazil escalated on Sunday when a Supreme Court judge opened an inquiry into the billionaire after Musk said he would reactivate accounts on the social media platform X that the judge had ordered blocked.
Musk, the owner of X and a self-declared free speech absolutist, has challenged a decision by Justice Alexandre de Moraes ordering the blocking of certain accounts. He has said X, formerly known as Twitter, would lift all the restrictions because they were unconstitutional and called on Moraes to resign.

Neither Musk, X nor Brazilian authorities have disclosed which social media accounts were ordered blocked. X first posted about the order to block on Saturday but it was not immediately clear when the order was issued.
Moraes is investigating "digital militias" that have been accused of spreading fake news and hate messages during the government of former far-right President Jair Bolsonaro and is also leading an investigation into an alleged coup attempt by Bolsonaro.

Musk, in an X post on Saturday evening, accused Moraes of "brazenly and repeatedly" betraying the constitution and people of Brazil.
"This judge has applied massive fines, threatened to arrest our employees and cut off access to X in Brazil," he said in the post.
"As a result, we will probably lose all revenue in Brazil and have to shut down our office there. But principles matter more than profit."

The billionaire has pledged to legally challenge the order blocking X accounts where possible.
Moraes responded on Sunday by adding Musk to the investigation he is leading into fake news on social media, and opening an inquiry into what he called an obstruction of justice.
In his decision, Moraes said: "X shall refrain from disobeying any court order already issued, including performing any profile reactivation that has been blocked by this Supreme Court."

If X fails to comply with the order to block certain accounts the company will be fined 100,000 reais ($19,740) per day, the judge said in a statement released to media.
President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's leftist government expressed support for Moraes, with Solicitor General Jorge Messias criticizing Musk and calling for the regulation of social media networks to prevent foreign platforms from violating Brazilian laws.

"We cannot live in a society in which billionaires domiciled abroad have control of social networks and put themselves in a position to violate the rule of law, failing to comply with court orders and threatening our authorities," Messias said in a post on X.
Last year, Moraes also ordered an investigation into executives at social messaging platform Telegram and Alphabet's (GOOGL.O), opens new tab Google, who were in charge of a campaign criticizing a proposed internet regulation bill.
The bill puts the onus on internet companies, search engines and social messaging services to find and report illegal material, instead of leaving it to the courts. It would also impose hefty fines for failures to do so.
 
We cannot live in a society in which billionaires domiciled abroad have control of social networks and put themselves in a position to violate the rule of law, failing to comply with court orders and threatening our authorities
Your laws. Not his. Ban the site if it's such a threat.

But you aren't gonna do that, are you Judge?
 
I see a politician is not only going to war with a man who buys ink by the barrel, but one who is also out of reach of his capacity to project force.
This ought to be interesting.
I wonder if every tweet will include links to this man's sordid laundry at the bottom by the end of this.
 
Elon is playing this very carefully to avoid getting his employees that were stationed in Brazil's Twitter X branch arrested. Which I didn't particularly expect from him, but good on him. Once they're in the clear I hope the bomb he's planning to drop isn't a dud.
 
Elon is playing this very carefully to avoid getting his employees that were stationed in Brazil's Twitter X branch arrested. Which I didn't particularly expect from him, but good on him. Once they're in the clear I hope the bomb he's planning to drop isn't a dud.
he already mentioned they were ordered to be arrested, so I'm sure he's already making arrangements to take them out of the country.
 
he already mentioned they were ordered to be arrested, so I'm sure he's already making arrangements to take them out of the country.
Oh, must have missed that. I remember him saying he was walking on egg shells until they were in the clear.

Either way, that's incredibly fucked up they're gonna arrest employees when most civilized countries typically go for the asshole that made the order.
 
Don't worry the people who spent the better part of the last four years defending Glenn Greenwald who helped get Lula peace and love who is a communist **** bag elected as president will have egg on the face I could have told you that he was a totalitarian psychopath.
Never met a Brazilian who actually likes the guy
 
Don't worry the people who spent the better part of the last four years defending Glenn Greenwald who helped get Lula peace and love who is a communist **** bag elected as president will have egg on the face I could have told you that he was a totalitarian psychopath.
For what I know, this isn't entirely Lula, but the judge who has Lula in his pocket after he was the one who got him released from jail.

Never met a Brazilian who actually likes the guy
The Latin American and Hispanic right that I know of dislike the guy.
 
Don't worry the people who spent the better part of the last four years defending Glenn Greenwald who helped get Lula peace and love who is a communist **** bag elected as president will have egg on the face I could have told you that he was a totalitarian psychopath.
Never met a Brazilian who actually likes the guy
Pretty much. It's why you can never trust Greenwald to do the right thing, at the end of the day he's still a leftist.
 
I'm impressed with Musk here, if he manages to bring lasting change to Brazil, I'll seriously stop using n***er out of respect to him.
Pretty much. It's why you can never trust Greenwald to do the right thing, at the end of the day he's still a leftist.
I'm still a leftist, a fair society where everyone has a chance to contribute to their potential is good.

Glenn has been both consistent and ethical, so it is tragic that there is a non-ignorable chance Lula might have had Glenn's husband killed.
 
Pretty much. It's why you can never trust Greenwald to do the right thing, at the end of the day he's still a leftist.
He’s long since come round to saying Lula is bad. So I’d say you can always expect him to do the right thing eventualy.
 
Musk says X received US House query on Brazil actions
Reuters (archive.ph)
By Reuters
2024-04-11 08:54:11GMT
April 10 (Reuters) - Social media platform X has received an inquiry from the U.S. House of Representatives "regarding actions taken in Brazil that were in violation of Brazilian law," Elon Musk said on Wednesday in a post on X.

X was asked to suspend the accounts of "sitting members of the Brazilian parliament and many journalists," Musk said in another post.

The U.S. House could not be immediately reached for comment. X did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

The U.S. House move comes after Brazil Supreme Court judge Alexandre de Moraes opened an inquiry on Sunday into Musk after he said he would reactivate accounts on X that the judge had ordered blocked.

If X fails to comply with the order to block certain accounts the company will be fined 100,000 reais ($19,736.32) per day, Moraes said.

The standoff between Brazil and the billionaire started when Musk, the owner of X and a self-declared free speech absolutist, challenged the decision by Moraes ordering the blocking of certain accounts.

Musk has said X, formerly known as Twitter, would lift all the restrictions because they were unconstitutional and called on Moraes to resign.

"This judge has applied massive fines, threatened to arrest our employees and cut off access to X in Brazil," Musk posted last week. "As a result, we will probably lose all revenue in Brazil and have to shut down our office there. But principles matter more than profit."

($1=5.0668 reais)
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I'm not sure if I love or hate that international diplomatic incidents now involve emojis
I think its a sign Musk is at least somewhat a man of the people despite his wealth.

That or he just like stirring shit and dropping a emoji in there is a slap in the face to the Brazilian government. I'd say its 50/50 either way.
 
I think its a sign Musk is at least somewhat a man of the people despite his wealth.

That or he just like stirring shit and dropping a emoji in there is a slap in the face to the Brazilian government. I'd say its 50/50 either way.
It reminds me of early into the Obama era Ukraine invasion when their official twitter posted a gif of that time on the Simpsons when the USSR came back to life
 
If I were Musk, I'd make every Twitter plus (or whatever it's called) subscription come with a third party vpn subscription, so that if your oppressive government blocks twitter, you can still access it (and access anything else on the free internet).
 
It reminds me of early into the Obama era Ukraine invasion when their official twitter posted a gif of that time on the Simpsons when the USSR came back to life
I think you should be more offended by the fact reality is turning into social media and Simpsons gags, then. Musk adding a pepper emoji is just a sign that Clown World doesn't seem to be stopping or even slowing down.
 
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