Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion



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The European Parliament refuses to pass the EU Council Budget by a huge margin (515-62 MEPs) until Ukraine is given the seven Patriot batteries it needs. Given that Czechia itself was able to source many hundreds of thousands of shells on its own, this might yield something. European armies do have Patriots and all that's needed is that the Biden Administration approve the transfers of just 7 from up to 1000 Patriot batteries in service or on order. Now some of these NATO Support & Procurement Agency supported orders are actually intended for Ukraine, but what number is not clear. France is making a great effort, Czechia and Poland too, as are the Baltic States, with Latvia (I think) pledging no less than 0.25% of its budget to help Ukraine. The announced 100 bn fund over 5 years in case of a certain New York landlord becoming POTUS again, might help, but if all the announcements were delivered on, Ukraine would be wrapping up the invasion, not fire-fighting on various fronts, all suffering shortages yet having to reinforce areas in greatest desperation.

Honestly a big problem is that the Biden Administration guided by Jake Sullivan have taken a position of nickel and diming this war when there was an opening to provide more. The F-16s are still not available, and aren't even that relevant now.
 
Honestly a big problem is that the Biden Administration guided by Jake Sullivan have taken a position of nickel and diming this war when there was an opening to provide more. The F-16s are still not available, and aren't even that relevant now.
I think the Bankers who control Washington DC have convinced themselves they can win the war by making it "cost too much" for Russia, while simultaneously believing they can make it "Cost very little" for the USA .

Ziggers like to Cope and Seethe about alot of things related to this war, but they aren't wrong about the Russian side being willing to endure suffering and hardship while the Western Side is run by soft, avaricious little bitches.
 
Everyone shut the fuck up about American presidents! Seriously, can a mod split this into a new spergery thread like before? Even if it was relevant, you clearly don't know anything about the political system if you think the president is gonna be enough to change anything on his own.

Anyone simping for any politician of any flavor is a retard deserving of mockery. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less. Trump is a retarded shill. Biden is a retarded shill. Whoever "HHH" is, he's a retarded shill. None of them have anything to do with the Russo-Ukrainian war anyway, so even if there was anything deeper to say about it, this would not be the place.
 
6 months of blocked aid. That is the action I have seen. When the aid starts flowing again I'll stop bullying orange man. Until then I will keep calling him a cheeto, and there's nothing anyone can say to stop me. :pickle::evil::pickle:
I mean sure blame the crazies in congress, but that's not Trump. Yet.

I think that's on Biden's weak cabinet and ineffective State Department. Trump not backing down and issuing threats to North Korea put them on edge compared to that weak nigger bitch Obama who let the Norks literally bomb South Korea and sink a ROKN warship because he was too busy being a stupid nigger and enacting really stupid nigger brained policies. Biden's a fool and Kim Jr. knows it. Trump returning to the world stage will make him less likely to give Trump an excuse to make an example of him.
Trump is a wildcard. If you're going to shoplift from the corner store and the guy at counter says he'll shotgun you if you walk out with a snickers without paying, instead of fucking around and finding out you just wait a few hours for the next guy.
And that (plus his responses to when he did get tested) is why Xi/Putin/Kim sat quietly in their corners for four years. Not that he's a master diplomat or w/e.

Ultimately, you can only judge Trump by what the man actually does. Trying to infer from what other people claim he has said (or worse, their claims about what he hasn't said, but actually intended when he said something else) is a mug's game. The facts are these: Trump, when he was in office, authorised the release of military aid to Ukraine that the previous Obama administration had withheld for several years, largely at the behest of Joe Bidens.
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You have to judge Trump by his actions, because the man tells you six different stories in public about what he'd like to do and keeps inventing new ones right up to moment the deal is finalised.
This is exactly where I'm at. He unblocked the promised military aid but didn't send them everything on their wish list. But its also been four years, who the fuck knows what Trump will do if he's back in office.
I just hate NPCs with brainworms parroting the latest anonymous leaks from the Gorilla Channel's back offices, even how completely wrong the MSM called things from 2015-2021.
 
Everyone shut the fuck up about American presidents! Seriously, can a mod split this into a new spergery thread like before? Even if it was relevant, you clearly don't know anything about the political system if you think the president is gonna be enough to change anything on his own.

Anyone simping for any politician of any flavor is a retard deserving of mockery. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less. Trump is a retarded shill. Biden is a retarded shill. Whoever "HHH" is, he's a retarded shill. None of them have anything to do with the Russo-Ukrainian war anyway, so even if there was anything deeper to say about it, this would not be the place.
The American election is already having a large effect on what is happening in Ukraine. It is absolutely relevant to this thread, and posts on the topic have not dominated to the point that merits griping about.

And you're wrong, the President has a large amount of discretion on foreign policy. Ultimately, decisions about what to send and what not have mostly come down to what Biden says. The President can also veto funding bills passed by Congress (if one ever get passed), which is a substantial power. There is also the Presidential Drawdown Authority. Finally, the President is, for better or for worse, the public and diplomatic face of the nation.

I don't see anyone simping for either Biden or Trump here. I think we all know that both are flawed figures. It's an important, discussion-worthy question what Trump will do on Ukraine if he wins the election this year.

(And, if you don't know, HHH is a left-wing Farms troll who torments political threads, but fortunately not yet this one.)
 
I think the Bankers who control Washington DC have convinced themselves they can win the war by making it "cost too much" for Russia, while simultaneously believing they can make it "Cost very little" for the USA .

Ziggers like to Cope and Seethe about alot of things related to this war, but they aren't wrong about the Russian side being willing to endure suffering and hardship while the Western Side is run by soft, avaricious little bitches.
This is the same people who gave us the Iranian nuclear deal and the Abraham accords as well as the great foreign policy of just letting the Soviet Union do whatever it wants in South America and domestic politics the Democrats have always had terrible foreign policy it took Ronald reagan's two terms to completely bankrupt the Soviet Union and show that it was filled with a bunch of hot air
 
Honestly a big problem is that the Biden Administration guided by Jake Sullivan have taken a position of nickel and diming this war when there was an opening to provide more. The F-16s are still not available, and aren't even that relevant now.
I honestly don't know who they're trying to appease with this. If they think being half-hearted about supporting Ukraine will moderate the soft republican belly, they're retarded. I often find myself wishing politicians would just stop trying to appease everyone and stick to their fucking principles. Of course, that assumes they have any.

This desire is, incidentally, why certain people simp for Putin; he presents a somewhat convincing simulation of a principled politician, from the far end of his enormous table, in his luxurious Tsarist palace, as he orders the execution of his critics and enemies and sucks the wealth of the people into the pockets of his oligarch allies. If you squint and poke out your eyes to avoid seeing reality.

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less. Trump is a retarded shill. Biden is a retarded shill. Whoever "HHH" is, he's a retarded shill.
I like you. Let's be friends.
 
The president noted that he is ready to listen to Trump's proposals for ending the war, but, according to him, "if the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea".
Well I'll be damned Zelensky said what I was thinking. Many are following Scholtz' example of "We won't approve sending tigers until US sends it's challengers" line of thinking if anyone remembers that. Asking for fucking 7 more patriot systems is exact same thing thing.
Ziggers like to Cope and Seethe about alot of things related to this war, but they aren't wrong about the Russian side being willing to endure suffering and hardship while the Western Side is run by soft, avaricious little bitches.
Russia is a developing nation, massive brain drain and Russian refugees that flee to other countries en masse the bulk of the youth and educated population while those who are stuck in Russia are mentally ill, chronic alcoholics who will tolerate hardship without protest unless they want to do so in jail and get shanked or drafted to Storm Z units.

You are willing to tolerate and endure a lot of things when done so at gun point or financial ruination, people like fagcop self described "Le based right wing" who bitched about taxes isn't any different from a lefty who can't budget worth shit or endure hardship, unwillingness to listen to lost generation and veterans who saw crippling recession during Vietnam war for example, dollar went to shit, cost of goods rose, shrotage of labor just to name few. Russia on other hand are split between urbanites, commie block gopniks and people who shoot krokodil to cope with basic necessities and the police state. Large chunk of Russia lack running water and sanitation.

Average "enduring" ruskie who landed on countries with a refugee status funnel money back to Russia, much like people from places like Cuba who do exact same thing.
As soon as border hopper switch countries they're willing to tolerate less economic hardship, being ostracized, pay taxes and high cost of living.

I for one am wiling to pay more for running water, electricity and utilities since they are present even in student ghettos. Russia has still problems that even Soviet union couldn't solve with collective farming and housing. Shit log cabins without heating and more. Big brother is watching urbanites living in St Petersburg and Moscow closely.
Not to mention how minorities in Russian republics are used as cannon fodder, giving upper class everything while everyone else gets fucked in the ass and told to like it

Anything compared a lefty or a lolberg looks tough by default, since that's very easy bar to compare to. Anyone with thick skin, common sense and know how how to cope with recession and shortages.

Self sufficiency gets you far in life.
 
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Russia is a developing nation, massive brain drain and Russian refugees that flee to other countries en masse the bulk of the youth and educated population while those who are stuck in Russia are mentally ill, chronic alcoholics who will tolerate hardship without protest unless they want to do so in jail and get shanked or drafted to Storm Z units.
You're correct in that it's easier to "endure" when you've never had shit in the first place. In contrast, Westerners generally have a lot that they value, different standards of living and demands, compared to your average Russian (especially older generation).
They have no choice and they know it, so they simply constructed this cope about "endurance", when all it is is being unable to stand up for oneself in the face of oppression by the government that makes common people bear the weight of their shitty decisions, being forced to live on scraps from their table and make do with nothing.

While it's true that a lot of westerners grow egoistical due to the emphasis on individualism in their society, the underlying recognition of the fact that you as a person are inherently worth something, is missing in Russian (more specifically vatnik) mentality. To really understand these people, you have to always keep in mind that human dignity as you understand it is not applicable to them. They substitute it with chauvinism, where self-worth is replaced with worship of the state, which is why they take criticism of it personally and are incapable of objectivity.

For example, I might've lived in Russia my whole life and have Russian citizenship, but I'm an individual first before I'm a Russian citizen. One could immigrate to another country and they wouldn't be any less themselves, nationality can be changed.
Despite my many shortcomings, I'm a complete individual regardless of the state and the country I happen to live in. And I see no reason to give that up for this rotten regime.
But some people find comfort in resigning themselves to something bigger. Be it religion, or in this case, ideology. Thus common vatnik is a zealot whose entire worldview is contingent on the state's survival, or rather sustaining whatever warped image of it that they internalized at any cost.

In that context, sacrificing and "enduring" is hardly something to praise.
 
In that context, sacrificing and "enduring" is hardly something to praise.
Going by definition "If you have a Russian passport you are russian," considering the fact entire Russia was ruled by mongols and with little help of mass rape, people in that country share the same phenotype, only difference being urban high class Moscowites are much like champagne socialists. When they started to bitch about shortages government listened. Meanwhile living expenses are higher than average income in Russia which forced low to middle income class families to live in same apartment for decades. Pay is shit, most of it goes to food, rent, etc. Living hand to mouth every day, when your life is shit you get used it. While majority of the western world live in opulence, gibs me dats where people have the freedom to bitch about taxes, price of luxury goods then some.
 
Republican Party leader Steve Scalise has said that Mike Johnson, Speaker of the US House of Representatives, is in talks with the White House on financial aid for Ukraine.

Source: European Pravda, citing Associated Press

Details: Scalise told reporters that Johnson and White House officials were discussing a package that would differ from the Senate's proposed US$95 billion security package and include several Republican demands.

"There’s been no agreement reached. Obviously there would have to [be] an agreement reached not just with the White House, but with our own members," Scalise said.

In addition, the Republican speaker plans to travel to former US President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago club in Florida on Friday for a meeting.

Johnson has been in consultations with him over the past few weeks regarding Ukraine funding, aiming to secure his support or, at the very least, prevent him from openly opposing the package, the agency said.

Senator Markwayne Mullin, a Republican from Oklahoma, stated this week that he and Trump had discussed ways to move forward with aid to Ukraine "in-depth" with Johnson.

It is unclear whether Trump will express any political support for the package. Still, Mullin indicated that he hopes the former president will back it, especially now that Johnson's job is on the line.

Republican Marjorie Taylor Green has issued a threat, stating that she would attempt to remove Johnson from office if he pushes for funding for Ukraine.

Johnson has been in talks with the White House to pass a bill that would structure some of the funding for Kyiv as loans, open the way for the US to access frozen assets belonging to Russia's central bank, and make other changes.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy recently said that Ukraine would accept a loan from the US in the absence of other options.

Pravda UA

I highly doubt this will lead anywhere for the Speaker seems deathly afraid of open Putin shills like MTG who hails Putin as a defender of Christianity (when in fact there's few places more de-Christianised in respect of active belief than Russia). MTG has also opened a procedure to unseat Johnson, altho she said she only means it as a warning for now.

I hope I'm wrong but also elements in the GOP might see a struggling Ukraine as another stick to beat Biden. A lot of them outside the Senate will have no concern that yet again the US is leaving another ally high and dry.
 
Ukraine risks collapsing under Russia's onslaught without U.S. support, a disaster that could embolden China and spark a new crisis in East Asia, Japan's prime minister told U.S. lawmakers on Thursday, urging them to overcome "self-doubt" about the country's role on the world stage.
In the first speech to a joint meeting of Congress by a Japanese leader in nine years, Fumio Kishida urged Americans not to doubt the country's "indispensable" role in world affairs, and said Tokyo was undertaking historic military upgrades to support its ally.

He spoke amid deep divisions in U.S. politics over the country's role on the world stage in a presidential election year, including in the House of Representatives chamber where he gave his address.
President Joe Biden's request for $60 billion in aid for Ukraine, which passed the Democratic-led Senate with 70% support in February, has been stalled in the Republican-controlled House as Speaker Mike Johnson has refused to allow a vote.

"I want to address those Americans who feel the loneliness and exhaustion of being the country that has upheld the international order," Kishida said.

"The leadership of the United States is indispensable. Without U.S. support, how long before the hopes of Ukraine would collapse under the onslaught from Moscow? Without the presence of the United States, how long before the Indo-Pacific would face even harsher realities?"

Addresses to joint meetings of the Senate and House are an honor generally reserved for the closest U.S. allies, typically no more than once or twice a year. The last was by Israeli President Isaac Herzog on July 19, 2023.
Kishida is only the second Japanese prime minister ever to address a joint meeting, after Shinzo Abe on April 29, 2015.
His remarks were greeted several times by standing ovations, especially as he recounted the years of his childhood spent in New York and close Japanese-U.S. ties.

Kishida said the world was at a "historic turning point," with freedom and democracy under threat, emerging countries holding more economic power and climate change and rapid advances in artificial intelligence disrupting peoples' lives.

He also warned about North Korea's nuclear program and exports of missiles supporting Russia's war in Ukraine. But the biggest challenge the world faces comes from China, he said.

"China's current external stance and military actions present an unprecedented and the greatest strategic challenge, not only to the peace and security of Japan but to the peace and stability of the international community at large," Kishida said. "Ukraine of today may be East Asia of tomorrow."

Japan has consistently raised concerns about Chinese military activity close to its islands and neighboring Taiwan.

Taiwan, claimed by China as its own territory, has raised its alert level since Russia invaded Ukraine, wary of the possibility Beijing might make a similar move on the island, though it has reported no signs this is about to happen.
To stress the importance of Taiwan, Republican Representative Michael McCaul, chairman of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, brought Taiwan's Representative to the United States, Alexander Yui, as his guest for Kishida's speech.

Asked about the speech at a press briefing on Friday, China's foreign ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said Japan was "playing up" security threats and "discrediting" its neighbours and that Beijing had lodged "solemn representations" with Tokyo.

Despite deep-rooted reservations in Japan about its militaristic past, Kishida said the country was embarking on a major shift in its defense posture to support U.S. efforts to ward off current threats.
"Japan has changed over the years. We have transformed ourselves from a reticent ally, recovering from the devastation of World War II, to a strong, committed ally, looking outward to the world," he said.

Japan's pacifist constitution, adopted after its defeat in World War Two, prohibits it waging war or maintaining the means to do so. But successive administrations have chipped away at that restraint, and plans unveiled at the end of 2022 to significantly beef up the military may soon see Japan become the world's third biggest military spender.

Kishida and Biden on Wednesday unveiled plans for military cooperation and projects ranging from missiles to moon landings, strengthening their alliance with an eye on countering China and Russia.

"On the spaceship called 'Freedom and Democracy,' Japan is proud to be your shipmate. We are on deck, we are on task. And we are ready to do what is necessary," Kishida said.

Reuters

Japanese PM addressed congress for the first time in 9 years yesterday, begging the US to get off its ass and step up. It feels like the entire world except for America knows we're sleepwalking towards the conditions for a new world war.
 
William Spaniel on the slowness of the Russian advance, say 0.02% in Feb, 0.01% in March. Sees an upside to the very limited advancement during the Summer Offensive has it has meant Ukraine has far greater reserves of forces. 30,000 casualties and 400 tanks and IFVs were lost by the invader in taking Avdiivka, yet NATOs Supreme Commander says Russia's Army is 15% larger than before the invasion, but WS wonders if that force is at a comparable level to the force they started in Feb '22. Sees very little territory changing hands so far with 10.75% taken in Feb '22, 7.88% the next month, with Ukraine retrieving 5.54% in April. After that the lines barely change. Ukraine seems to be doing a good job of holding and exacting casualties.

 
Japanese PM addressed congress for the first time in 9 years yesterday, begging the US to get off its ass and step up. It feels like the entire world except for America knows we're sleepwalking towards the conditions for a new world war.
You would think the republics would be chomping at the teeth to test out our military hardware on something that doesn't live in the sand and when the time comes they completely pussy out because Trumps not in charge to pick up the W.

What a bunch of faggots we have in office.
 
You would think the republics would be chomping at the teeth to test out our military hardware on something that doesn't live in the sand and when the time comes they completely pussy out because Trumps not in charge to pick up the W.

What a bunch of faggots we have in office.
The retards fail to realize that Russian regimes and empires built on fear need external enemies given enough time and resources Putin would go for US and NATO without repecussions.
 
You would think the republics would be chomping at the teeth to test out our military hardware on something that doesn't live in the sand and when the time comes they completely pussy out because Trumps not in charge to pick up the W.
It have always been about fucking the other party over and that is the only thing that matters in U.S. politics. The Republicans however are complete noobs at doing it during a (proxy) war. As this have been a democrat specialty in fucking over the United States when a republican is POTUS and allies during a war. Unfortunately it is not constraint to with the govt as almost every nondemocrat news site and blogger have also decided to opposed democrats via by opposing Ukraine.
 
Storm Shadows hit occupied Luhansk Engineering Plant, which has reportedly used as a Russian base:


Between 0:09-0:11 seconds, the missile is clearly visible:

E-Vatniks are trying to claim it's a Taurus missile instead:
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Storm Shadows hit occupied Luhansk Engineering Plant, which has reportedly used as a Russian base:
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Between 0:09-0:11 seconds, the missile is clearly visible:
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E-Vatniks are trying to claim it's a Taurus missile instead:
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I'm not used to seeing the EU carry more military weight than the US for a change. Disappointing to see we'll only sign away bombs if it's to bomb inbred brown people..
 
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