Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[thefreshmaker]

Tbf I think they develop it genuinely.
You're told that this is the answer to lifes problems, you're really a girl/boy, so you of course start to genuinely recognise that your body does not match this

See this is the biggest thing, why the Cass report that just came out makes a lot of sense even if you are sympathetic to Trans arguments. The conception of this stuff as unchanging feelings and truths is demonstrably at odds with the experience that most of the people report here. It's clear that they are all suffering from from some kind of mental illness or abnormal psychology, but it's only when they are presented with this as a solution that they latch onto it and begin obsessing over it.

They absolutely do not develop dysphoria genuinely, but yes they do latch onto transgenderism as some magical cure-all to their situation. Other people here would know the stat, but it's something like 80-95% of people who go through gender "therapy" desist before adulthood. That indicates there's a small minority who are genuinely afflicted with dysphoria and the vast majority of people who move through the gender industry are actually not going to benefit from anything offered, and in fact the small minority of genuine patients won't either, but at least they have a "need" for it.

 

[Vingle]

Everyone involved in this, from his parents, to the surgeon, the therapists, and this new obgyn, all of them should be in prison.

In an ideal world, yes. But since we don't live in one. The trooney loons have to take some self responsibility. Even if you're mentally unwell, does not mean you can't think logically. They are just discouraged from doing so, and it's on them for not setting their wellbeing first. Because if you don't, others won't either.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

They absolutely do not develop dysphoria genuinely, but yes they do latch onto transgenderism as some magical cure-all to their situation.

The insufferable gender dysphoria is an argument that clearly only started due to the original reason for transitioning became unfeasable - ie it was done to "cure" sexual deviancy (or more specifically male effeminate homosexuals). With less thinking that homosexuality or effeminacy in men needed medical treatment, they started latching onto "gender dysphoria". It becomes obvious when you read what Hirschfeldt tried to treat, or the early coverage of Christine Jorgensen - hell, even Kim Petras' doctors made an oopsie that they might've "stopped homosexual development".

Maybe they can make an argument that medical castration will help stop males from masturbating in mommy's panties. That would surely get the RadFems back on board (though we know that isn't true but whatever, they need a new argument).

 

[thefreshmaker]

The insufferable gender dysphoria is an argument that clearly only started due to the original reason for transitioning became unfeasable - ie it was done to "cure" sexual deviancy (or more specifically male effeminate homosexuals).

Gender dysphoria is a clinical and diagnosable disease. You can disagree with the idea of it, or how it has been politicized, but it absolutely is an illness, just like any other dysmorphia. Dysmorphia/Dysphoria is a real thing, and affects a small minority of the population from everything to believing oneself is overweight or not muscly enough, to wanting to be disabled or the opposite sex/gender. The disease is diagnosed by observing a sustained time-frame of deteriorating mental health coinciding with the delusion.

People with other forms of this issue absolutely fetishise the desired outcome too, and I wouldn't be surprised if that is the majority of what drives it; we are sexual creatures and the illness is fundamentally one of internalizing a non-existent, negative, external image of the self. That does not make it any less real. It also does not make it any more legitimate to encourage the delusion and, say, put metal plates into someone's arm to give them fake muscles, or to give ozempic to an underweight girl, or to chop off an otherwise healthy man's cock off. The sexual component delegitimizes the illness as much as sex does marriage.

 

[Vingle]

Gender dysphoria is a clinical and diagnosable disease. You can disagree with the idea of it, or how it has been politicized, but it absolutely is an illness, just like any other dysmorphia. Dysmorphia/Dysphoria is a real thing, and affects a small minority of the population from everything to believing oneself is overweight or not muscly enough, to wanting to be disabled or the opposite sex/gender.

So from what I understand, gender dysphoria is just plain old body dysmorphia, but it is only going under that name to categorize them easier in the system?
Basically, it makes sense in a clinical setting. It's just that normies have gone full retard with it?

 

[El-ahrairah]

In an ideal world, yes. But since we don't live in one. The trooney loons have to take some self responsibility. Even if you're mentally unwell, does not mean you can't think logically. They are just discouraged from doing so, and it's on them for not setting their wellbeing first. Because if you don't, others won't either.

Definitely agree, I'm just extra mad about this one because it seems to be a kid. If he's telling the truth that his mom refused to take him to the ER even after seeing that mess, she's either too dumb to live or actively wants her son to die.

Troons lie all the time, though, so who knows.

 

[Vingle]

Troons lie all the time, though, so who knows.

I'd point to lie, because parents always seem to be the scapegoat and he could've called for an ambulance. Since he is lucid enough to write on preddit.
But honestly, it is for the better that the boy does die as fast as possible. As even if they sort of get it sorted out, he will suffer a great amount his whole life. So the cruel option is to keep him alive.

 

[Midwest Midwit]

Whats the largest ever rotdog? Have any of these dream sellers ever sewn a legit knee-knocker onto someone?

 

[Iron Jaguar]

Recently post-op pooner u/rainbowfeline has got black and red swelling on her phallus. Her nurse told her to go to a hospital but two have refused her saying they lack knowledge of the surgery. She's now trying to contact the hospital that operated on her, which is halfway across the country to see if they'll take her.
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Hi ! It's black, red and swollen. My nurse advised me to see a doctor. That I try, 2 hospitals refused me because they don't know this surgery. I'm waiting for an answer from the hospital that operated on me (on the other side of the country).

It''s a bit stressful not to have an answer.

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Lol, infection. Enjoy having your penisn't amputated, dumbass.

1.5 year post-op top surgery. Dazzling-Roof3481
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Imagine getting your tits cut off just to end up looking like a flat chested girl.

 

[thefreshmaker]

So from what I understand, gender dysphoria is just plain old body dysmorphia, but it is only going under that name to categorize them easier in the system?

It is and it isn't, similar to how Schizophrenia is it's own diagnosis but spawned Autism Spectrum Disorder and Asperger's. BDD and Gender Dysphoria are far closer than Schizophrenia and ASD are, but they are still separate. They are similar in that the general idea is a delusional view of a flawed body which is causing some harm, whether physical and self inflicted or in mental state and resulting in other issues like depression (to my knowledge, GD patients do not exhibit seeing the body as "flawed", but simply incorrect, if that makes sense).

Basically, it makes sense in a clinical setting. It's just that normies have gone full retard with it?

Even in a clinical setting, it is rough. Psychology being what it is, we are basically creating a criteria for a common set of exhibited behaviors we consider to be detrimental and then a schematic of treatment for it. It's constantly in flux as we get more knowledge and experience with it, just as we change our understanding of phyla and species in the animal kingdom.

A lot was said about the change of Gender Identity Disorder to Gender Dysphoria from DSM 4 to DSM 5, but there were pros and cons.

Spoiler: DSM 4

Gender Identity Disorder​

A. A strong and persistent cross-gender identification (not merely a desire for any perceived cultural advantages of being the other sex).

In children, the disturbance is manifested by four (or more) of the following:
(1) repeatedly stated desire to be, or insistence that he or she is, the other sex
(2) in boys, preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; in girls, insistence on wearing only stereotypical masculine clothing
(3) strong and persistent preferences for cross-sex roles in make-believe play or persistent fantasies of being the other sex
(4) intense desire to participate in the stereotypical games and pastimes of the other sex
(5) strong preference for playmates of the other sex

In adolescents and adults, the disturbance is manifested by symptoms such as a stated desire to be the other sex, frequent passing as the other sex, desire to live or be treated as the other sex, or the conviction that he or she has the typical feelings and reactions of the other sex.

B. Persistent discomfort with his or her sex or sense of inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex.
In children, the disturbance is manifested by any of the following: in boys, assertion that his penis or testes are disgusting or will disappear or assertion that it would be better not to have a penis, or aversion toward rough-and-tumble play and rejection of male stereotypical toys, games, and activities; in girls, rejection of urinating in a sitting position, assertion that she has or will grow a penis, or assertion that she does not want to grow breasts or menstruate, or marked aversion toward normative feminine clothing.
In adolescents and adults, the disturbance is manifested by symptoms such as preoccupation with getting rid of primary and secondary sex characteristics (e.g., request for hormones, surgery, or other procedures to physically alter sexual characteristics to simulate the other sex) or belief that he or she was born the wrong sex.

C. The disturbance is not concurrent with a physical intersex condition.

D. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

Spoiler: DSM 5

Gender Dysphoria​

The DSM-5-TR defines gender dysphoria in adolescents and adults as a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and their assigned gender, lasting at least 6 months, as manifested by at least two of the following:

• A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
• A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
• A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
• A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)

In order to meet criteria for the diagnosis, the condition must also be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

The DSM-5-TR defines gender dysphoria in children as a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, lasting at least 6 months, as manifested by at least six of the following (one of which must be the first criterion):

• A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• In boys (assigned gender), a strong preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong preference for wearing only typical masculine clothing and a strong resistance to the wearing of typical feminine clothing
• A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play
• A strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender
• A strong preference for playmates of the other gender
• In boys (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically masculine toys, games, and activities and a strong avoidance of rough-and-tumble play; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically feminine toys, games, and activities
• A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy
• A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one’s experienced gender

As with the diagnostic criteria for adolescents and adults, the condition must also be associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

I really like the changes between editions to at least define what the problem is. The prior definition, GID, was far too broad. A gay femboy twink could conceivably be diagnosed and have that diagnosis upheld. A particularly effeminate boy who wears make up and plays with barbie dolls with their girl friends, avoids the football pitch, is not intersex, and is experiencing social turmoil at home and school because of it could be diagnosed with GID despite the fact they are just effeminate (they are only missing A.1., which means they still fit the criteria). The new definition is less focused on stereotypical behaviour that is broad and culturally maleable and more focused on the insistence and display of the opposing sex/gender. The most important change is the difference in diagnosing children between DSM 4 requiring only four of the criteria in part A, where DSM 5 requires six of which the first (the insistance that the child is the opposing gender) is required at minimum.

One of the other big changes between versions was that GD requires a minimum time period of exhibition before it can be diagnosed, six months. You cannot walk into Tavistock for titty skittles and legitimately be diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria. This is why I say that 95% of them don't have it - they legitimately cannot be diagnosed with it because it's often the same day they present that they are presenting that they are being immediately treated as a GD patient.

The issues with DSM 5 largely come with the treatment recommendations. The diagnosis is fine and stronger than prior. The issue is that now "affirmation" is the standard and only correct method to treat the patient. Now it at least has the proviso that a legitimate professional would wait six months before diagnosing to at least ensure the affirmation is correct, but the reality is that this not done. It's given the gender butchers and the Tavistock clinicians and the "I'd rather a sterile daughter than a gay son" hags a green light to get everything done their way. It's gotten so bad that now the DSM 5 requirements are only paid lip service to, as we well know.

 

[GloriousScarf]

Call me a bleeding heart all you want but I still do care about the wellbeing of some of these people. Not the ones using trans acceptance to get away with their perversions obviously but the ones who genuinely got suckered into this. A lot of them actually believe that mutilating their genitals is the ONLY solution to gender dysphoria. So many of them will die from this. I shouldn’t care more about them than their doctors and their own community.

As distasteful as many of us find troons I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone in this thread who thinks this surgery should be legal. Which strangely means we care more about their well being than their own community who encourage this butchery.

 

[Bloo]

As distasteful as many of us find troons I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone in this thread who thinks this surgery should be legal. Which strangely means we care more about their well being than their own community who encourage this butchery.

It’s crazy how we got to this. I know back when Buck Angel first transitioned the doctors called her a “guinea pig” but they were completely honest about what she could and couldn’t change. It has gotten so much worse not better.

 

[Dick Mason]

I still have a tiny hole at the bottom of the base of my penis but it’s healing well

I need that on a greeting card. "What do you call a dick with one too many holes? Ask your mom, she named you! ha ha ha! Get well soon."

He caught my attention because he posted a question on r/transgender_surgeries about whether you can revise a sigmoid colon neovagina with amniotic membranes.

Amniotic membrane (AM) or amnion is a thin membrane on the inner side of the fetal placenta

Is this nigga really talking about poaching placenta?! Just when you feel you have an intuitive grasp on how monstrous they can get, they go and push the bar lower.

When you think you've seen it all, a new and worse one always comes along to dethrone the previous mess. His nerves must be completely gone if he is willing to wait to go to the ER.
If you showed me that pic and told me it was the result of a tiger clawing some poor bastard's dick off I would believe you.

EDIT: Here's an an extra horrifying update on him

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They're going to the Boston Children's hospital which Google tells me accepts patients up the age of 21. He doesn't say his age but it's 21 or under. Another young kid mangled for life.

The traditional transgender greeting, 'I hope your surgery goes well'. They don't even have to know the person and still will be safe to assume applicable.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

I hope it sounds like this:

I guess it depends on what they use specifically for the actual neourethra. Do they loop the skin back around internally for the neourethra, like those gel tube toys from the 90's? (@Otterly beat me to it)
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If so, then it can probably handle some abuse since it's just external skin too.

Any junctures are probably weak though. Or maybe the place where the neourethra meets the old urethra might leave a corner where stuff can get stuck.

With the amount of microplastics and phthalates in those things, an mtf troon could probably get his HRT fix by drinking the goop inside.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Fucking horrific vaginoplasty nightmare is now available for your viewing pleasure in Kathy Rumer's thread

Fuck thats a bad one. Unlike a lot of posters it's not the worst I've seen (not even the worst I've seen from Rumer they don't call her the Butcher of Ardmore for nothing) but its definitely in the running.
Looks like Jack the Ripper was the surgeon.


Ok the update it looks even worse lol.

He wouldn't look worse if they'd just let a pitbull gnaw his dick off.

Thats what I thought too.
This looks like something CJNG would do to a rival Cartel sicario as a punishment.

Jesus Wept.
These "surgeries" should be illegal.
Dumb fucking AGP pervert.
Hope it was worth it.
I'm guessing he seems so calm because he's A on a fuck ton of painkiller and opiates make everything seem "not that big a deal" and B in shock and his brain is actually not letting him realize how badly he has fucked up.
Like another poster said this is the exact same trauma response that will see a soldier on a battlefield who has had half their face blown off stay in the fight and keep shooting back until they finally get casevac'ed.
Its only when the immediate shock wears off they realize how bad they were hurt.
The human body can do some amazing things to keep you going after some truly hideous injuries.
This isn't always a good thing.

 

[Otterly]

Is this nigga really talking about poaching placenta?! Just when you feel you have an intuitive grasp on how monstrous they can get, they go and push the bar lower.

Yeah. Amniotic membrane has some use in ophthalmology and various reconstructive surgeries. I’d rather gnaw the cord off with my teeth and put the placenta in my handbag than allow that to happen though. Fucking ghouls.

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

On the topic of body dysmorphia and the insanity of trying to help with surgery, I have an interesting anecdote.

I was talking to a friend about the horrors of this thread, and he brought something up that was really interesting. My friend listens to the War Nerd podcast, and told me about an episode where the War Nerd himself, Gary Brecher, talks about how he had a surgeon in California remove the cartilage in his left knee, because he wanted a limp that would look like a "war wound", in keeping with his particular fixation. He couldn't remember the specific episode number, but he's going to look it up for me.

In the decades since, the operation has obviously caused an enormous amount of trouble and pain to him, and he looks back on his choice as a stupid and irrational act. But as was discussed on the episode, how could a surgeon possible agree to do something like that? Surgeons are still supposed to be abiding by the Hippocratic oath (or the modern reformulations of it). How could anyone think that a dude in his younger 20s asking to cripple himself so he can larp as a war hero was possibly an ok thing to do?

It really demonstrates (in my mind anyway) that gender is the one blind spot with this, because my friend who is in the process of peaking right now, was instantly aghast from the War Nerd's story. As soon as you remove the specific element of "Gender Affirmation", the idea of allowing someone to medically cripple themselves to match a fantasy generates almost instant disapproval in people.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

On the topic of body dysmorphia and the insanity of trying to help with surgery, I have an interesting anecdote.

I was talking to a friend about the horrors of this thread, and he brought something up that was really interesting. My friend listens to the War Nerd podcast, and told me about an episode where the War Nerd himself, Gary Brecher, talks about how he had a surgeon in California remove the cartilage in his left knee, because he wanted a limp that would look like a "war wound", in keeping with his particular fixation. He couldn't remember the specific episode number, but he's going to look it up for me.

In the decades since, the operation has obviously caused an enormous amount of trouble and pain to him, and he looks back on his choice as a stupid and irrational act. But as was discussed on the episode, how could a surgeon possible agree to do something like that? Surgeons are still supposed to be abiding by the Hippocratic oath (or the modern reformulations of it). How could anyone think that a dude in his younger 20s asking to cripple himself so he can larp as a war hero was possibly an ok thing to do?

It really demonstrates (in my mind anyway) that gender is the one blind spot with this, because my friend who is in the process of peaking right now, was instantly aghast from the War Nerd's story. As soon as you remove the specific element of "Gender Affirmation", the idea of allowing someone to medically cripple themselves to match a fantasy generates almost instant disapproval in people.

This strangely reminded me of German dudes back in the 19th-early 20th century cutting their own faces to imitate fencing scars (which was a cool thing at the time) because of whatever reasons that prevented them from getting them in the real deal... But getting the scars that way totally missed the point of what that scars mean.

I think for most people who still have trust in medicine might be baffled how a doctor might do something like that, but medicine has been filled with horrifying experiments. We just don't know most of them because these things are covered well.

Also think about it, the logic of capitalism, you don't even have to be the greedy one yourself. If someone comes to see you and ask you to mutilate them in exchange of exorbitant amount of money... Why would you deny them, they're happy and you get a lot of money, it's a win-win right?

If you refuse, you would make them sad and that person would go elsewhere to find someone else willing to mutilate them anyway.

 

[Vingle]

On the topic of body dysmorphia and the insanity of trying to help with surgery, I have an interesting anecdote.

It's all the same, whether it's fillers or surgery. It depends on the ethics of the doctor in question. If one doctor refuses, the patient will shop around until they find one that's unethical enough to do it. The ethical doctors say yes nowadays, because it is better that they fuck the patient up superficially. Not true for SRS, but a sleazy underground would've probably fucked them up even more.

 

[sperginity]

I don't know if they're just in dissociative shock or autistic or what but they seem relatively clearheaded for someone going through this much horror, it's uncanny

its the opioids. street people have the same apathy and are on identical substances, some of them have limbs literally rotting from tranq being mixed in w/their fentanyl, and they don't give a fuck at all. from working on junkies I have concluded that not caring is the main reason people get hooked on those drugs, the high is nice but it really diminishes over time. it starts a horrible cycle of doing terrible things because you're high and don't care, and then getting high so you don't have to care about what you've done. this guy will have a pain med script for a long time, they may not be able to sober up to face what they've done to their body.


if the kid survives this (as in an infection doesn't creep in and kill them) they are going to have their mobility reduced for life. the only thing that can fill in the space where the stitches used to go is scar tissue, which is very inflexible compared to healthy tissue. That isn't such a problem when the scar is thin, like a suture line, but there is at least a quarter inch swath on either side that will scar from deep inside. I would be shocked if they could ride an exercise bike or stretch their inner thigh ever again. walking might even prove to cause problems.

scars can also constrict over time, while others might become hypertrophic (larger than the original wound), it might strangle his ability to piss or dilate at some point. keloiding would be a nightmare but is a relatively remote possibility compared to other issues that scars present.

Why the cut on the thigh? It looks like there were no stitches at all in it. A rurally I can see a couple at the top right, but wtf was the closure for this? It also looks as if insufficient tissue was left to cover the area ao it’s been pulled too tight and as soon as he’s moved his legs apart it’s all just ripped. Absolutely horrific. Total butchery.

it looks like a self-harm scar that is relatively new but not an open wound, I don't think it is related to surgery. I have seen scarring that turned bright pink for about a year, then faded to purple, then skin color. it is not a fortunate way to scar but I've seen it (rarely).

there is always the possibility that they got knicked by a surgeon who was less than careful, such things do happen from time to time. crane knicked the bowel of a phallo patient who had to shit in a bag forever afterwards, for instance.