US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Betonhaus]

Supported by primary and secondary sources.

Deliberately curated so you don't notice the plot holes while being spoonfed

 

[dustbuster]

Deliberately curated so you don't notice the plot holes while being spoonfed

19 sources, including letters between Lincoln and his generals.
The only spoonfeeding here is the propaganda you've received, and are parroting.
I don't like the asshole who put together this mini-doc, but I know when a case is well supported.

btw: timestamp 56:28 for Lincoln's own words.

 

[Betonhaus]

19 sources, including letters between Lincoln and his generals.
The only spoonfeeding here is the propaganda you've received, and are parroting.
I don't like the asshole who put together this mini-doc, but I know when a case is well supported.

btw: timestamp 56:28 for Lincoln's own words.

All videos have the same flaw that you can only process information at the pace the video sets. Important details can be sped over, while distractions can be delved into and made to keep you from paying attention to what is said next. Do you have an article or the list of sources themselves?

 

[dustbuster]

All videos have the same flaw that you can only process information at the pace the video sets. Important details can be sped over, while distractions can be delved into and made to keep you from paying attention to what is said next. Do you have an article or the list of sources themselves?

They're in the description under the video, clearly marked "Bibliography", you fucking illiterate nigger.

Back to ignoring your dumb ass.

 

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So civil war, even if its just low-level, in 18 months. Unless they plan to merely conscript shitlibs/commies.

There is no way in hell the shitlib/commies would ever accept a draft that didn't have a de-facto carveout for them. They HATE America, they HATE the military, and they think they're living in the end of history and that the US is going to go full eternal communist utopia in their lifetimes. Dying for Israel is something that rural white men are supposed to do, not the affluent children of coastal elites.

 

[Gehenna]

There is no way in hell the shitlib/commies would ever accept a draft that didn't have a de-facto carveout for them. They HATE America, they HATE the military, and they think they're living in the end of history and that the US is going to go full eternal communist utopia in their lifetimes. Dying for Israel is something that rural white men are supposed to do, not the affluent children of coastal elites.

In serious terms, we are incredibly unlikely to have a draft. Now, this is Clown World so I do not -dare- claim it can not.... but a whole lot of politicians would need to get together and actively vote against their own self interest to do so.

The bill they'd need to do so for would need to either be a blank check (creating the Chimpout to end all Chimpouts) or be so lopsided, obviously aimed at the right as to instantly set off an actual, literal civil war. And anything other than those two extremes just does both

It is... incredibly unlikely.



Which is why I half expect it to be announced in September/October.

 

[pwnest injun]

Me either. The way my brother talked about her back then was she was radioactive. Maybe he's just being a dumbass and thinks she might do something. Just with who he is and who he knows I can't be sure either way, should also add how he is.

ETA: I don't think it has anything to do with trying to get cabinet position with trump or anything to do with that. My bro is FIRMLY afflicted by TDS and is on the DNC plantation permanently. I don't know if it's because of where he lives, who he's married to, who he knows, or his own "fame". I can't really say more without PL, but I will say anyone who lives in his area probably knows of him. Saw that for myself when I saw him for the first time since I was a baby in Vegas and a stranger came up to him (obviously from where he lives) and recognized him and was kind of fanboying.

Maybe he's come to appreciate what a waste it would have been trying to make Harris happen? I mean, if that was her crime, it would be like getting mad at someone for stealing your car, which was triggered to explode when you got in it.

 

[Breadbassket]

Fort Sumter is entirely on Jefferson Davis.

The failure to agree to compromise to prevent the war in the first place is on Lincoln.

As the threats of pro-slavery states to leave the Union began to sound quite serious following Lincoln's election, northerners reacted with surprise and increasing concern. In the South, motivated activists, dubbed Fire Eaters, stoked outrage and encouraged secession.

An elderly senator from Kentucky, John J. Crittenden, stepped up to try to broker some solution. Crittenden, who was born in Kentucky in 1787, had been well educated and became a prominent lawyer. In 1860 he had been active in politics for 50 years and had represented Kentucky as both a member of the House of Representatives and a U.S. Senator.

As a colleague of the late Henry Clay, a Kentuckian who had become known as the Great Compromiser, Crittenden felt a genuine desire to try to hold the Union together. Crittenden was widely respected on Capitol Hill and in political circles, but he was not a national figure of the stature of Clay, or his comrades in what had been known as the Great Triumvirate, Daniel Webster and John C. Calhoun.

On December 18, 1860, Crittenden introduced his legislation in the Senate. His bill began by noting "serious and alarming dissensions have arisen between the Northern and Southern States, concerning the rights and security of the rights of the slaveholding States..."

The bulk of his bill contained six articles, each of which Crittenden hoped to pass through both houses of Congress with a two-thirds vote so that they might become six new amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

A central component of Crittenden's legislation was that it would have used the same geographic line used in the Missouri Compromise, 36 degrees and 30 minutes of latitude. States and territories north of that line could not allow enslavement, while it would be legal in states to the south of the line.

And the various articles also sharply curtailed the power of Congress to regulate enslavement, or even abolish it at some future date. Some of the legislation proposed by Crittenden would also toughen laws against freedom seekers.

Reading the text of Crittenden's six articles, it's hard to see what the North would achieve by accepting the proposals beyond avoiding a potential war. For the South, the Crittenden Compromise would have made enslavement permanent.

Defeat In Congress​

When it appeared obvious that Crittenden couldn't get his legislation through Congress, he proposed an alternative plan: the proposals would be submitted to the voting public as a referendum.

The Republican president-elect, Abraham Lincoln, who was still in Springfield, Illinois, had indicated that he did not approve of Crittenden's plan. When legislation to submit the referendum was introduced in Congress on January 1861, Republican legislators used delaying tactics to ensure that the matter got bogged down.

A New Hampshire senator, Daniel Clark, made a motion that Crittenden's legislation be tabled and another resolution substituted for it. That resolution stated that no changes to the Constitution were required to preserve the Union, that the Constitution as it was would suffice.

In an increasingly contentious atmosphere on Capitol Hill, the southern legislators boycotted the votes on that measure. The Crittenden Compromise thus came to an end in Congress, though some supporters still tried to rally behind it.

Crittenden's plan, especially given its complicated nature, may have always been doomed. But the leadership of Lincoln, who was not yet president but was firmly in control of the Republican Party, was likely the main factor in ensuring that Crittenden's effort failed.

Efforts to Revive the Crittenden Compromise​

Oddly enough, a month after Crittenden's effort came to an end on Capitol Hill, there were still efforts to revive it. The New York Herald, the influential newspaper published by the eccentric James Gordon Bennett, published an editorial urging a revival of the Crittenden Compromise. The editorial urged the unlikely prospect that president-elect Lincoln, in his inaugural address, should embrace the Crittenden Compromise.

Before Lincoln took office, another attempt to forestall the outbreak of war occurred in Washington. A peace conference was arranged by politicians including former president John Tyler. That plan came to nothing. When Lincoln took office his inaugural address made mention of the ongoing secession crisis, of course, but he did not offer any grand compromises to the South.

And, of course, when Fort Sumter was shelled in April 1861 the nation was on its way to war. The Crittenden Compromise was never entirely forgotten, however. Newspapers still tended to mention it for about a year after the outbreak of the war, as if it was somehow the last chance to quickly end the conflict which was becoming more violent with each passing month.

Lincoln, before the Civil War began made many statements in 1861 regarding the legality of secession.

Soon after Abraham Lincoln was elected to the presidency in November 1860, seven southern states seceded from the Union. In March 1861, after he was inaugurated as the 16th President of the United States, four more followed.

The secessionists claimed that according to the Constitution every state had the right to leave the Union. Lincoln claimed that they did not have that right. He opposed secession for these reasons:

1. Physically the states cannot separate.

2. Secession is unlawful.

3. A government that allows secession will disintegrate into anarchy.

4. That Americans are not enemies, but friends.

5. Secession would destroy the world's only existing democracy, and prove for all time, to future Americans and to the world, that a government of the people cannot survive.

The Confederacy tried to negotiate for places like Fort Sumter but this didn't really work out and even if had everything gone peacefully there is a chance a war may of been caused somewhere else.

Davis's decision was made with the concurrence of his cabinet. Only secretary of state, Robert Toombs of Georgia, vocally dissented. Toombs is alleged to have exclaimed that an attack on Sumter would be "suicide, murder," and would stir a "hornet's nest" of hostility to the South. "It is unnecessary; it puts us in the wrong; it is fatal," Toombs pleaded. But the cabinet ordered the attack on Sumter.

Davis's order of April 10 was, in Richard N. Current's words, "a fateful decision" and represented a significant escalation of aggressiveness by the Confederate government. Previously, Davis had instructed that Sumter not be resupplied. Now, the Confederacy was demanding that Anderson withdraw or surrender before the relief expedition arrived. Why was this "fateful decision" made?

According to Davis, the Montgomery government was acting in self-defense. Lincoln's dispatch of a relief expedition constituted a "hostile" act, and the reduction of Fort Sumter was, therefore, "a measure of defense rendered absolutely and immediately necessary." The fort was the legitimate possession of the state of South Carolina, and the state as well as the Confederate government had shown "unexampled" forbearance in trying to negotiate an equitable settlement with the United States for the removal of its forces. The sending of an expedition to maintain the fort was, therefore, an act of "coercion" against South Carolina and the Confederacy. To permit the United States to further strengthen its position would have been "as unwise as it would be to hesitate to strike down the arm of the assailant, who levels a deadly weapon at one's breast, until he has actually fired."

Davis did not accept the distinction that Lincoln invoked between a peaceable provisioning and a forcible reinforcement. Even if one could take Lincoln at his word-- and Davis believed that Lincoln, like Buchanan, could not be trusted-- Davis considered a peaceable provisioning just as coercive and illegitimate as a full-scale military effort to land troops.

But Davis's justification of self-defence is unconvincing to scholars like Richard N. Current, who view the Confederate leadership as animated by more aggressive purposes than Davis acknowledged. According to Current, the Confederate government could have interpreted Lincoln's policy as merely maintaining the status quo. Davis could well have instructed Beauregard to permit supplies, but no reinforcements, to be landed. Sumter in Union hands, without reinforcements and without control of the surrounding batteries, posed no immediate threat to the South.

Current argues that throughout the period following secession, the Confederate states had been aggressively taking over federal property and forts. The Confederate government had resolved to obtain the remaining forts by negotiations or force, and Davis's April 10 order to Beauregard was consistent with this policy. Thus, even if Lincoln had abandoned Sumter, the contest would have come elsewhere, at Fort Pickens, for example, where Confederate troops were preparing for an attack.

Allan Nevins calls the South's decision to attack Sumter "an act of rash emotionalism." A feeling of southern nationalism made intolerable the occupation by the federal government of forts in key southern ports. Continued delay would appear more and more cowardly as radicals grew impatient with the standoff. Davis, then, rushed to battle over a fort that "offered neither impediment nor threat to the Confederacy."

In light of these analyses, it is interesting to speculate about what would have happened had President Davis held firm to his original policy of preventing the provisioning of Fort Sumter. Since the flagship of the Sumter expedition, the Powhatan, headed for Pensacola and never arrived at Charleston, it is uncertain whether the relief force would have tried, let alone succeeded, in reaching the fort. Had Beauregard's troops withheld their fire, the Sumter mission might have failed without a shot being fired, or at least without the Confederacy firing the first shot. The prestige of the Lincoln administration would have suffered a blow.

Davis wasn't a great leader, but at the same time Lincoln does not seem like a man who did everything he could to avert war.

 

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Maybe he's come to appreciate what a waste it would have been trying to make Harris happen? I mean, if that was her crime, it would be like getting mad at someone for stealing your car, which was triggered to explode when you got in it.

I don't think that's it. As I said before he is FIRMLY on the DNC plantation. As soon as she was persona non grata with the DNC is when he stopped being her friend. I wished I could PL so I can run my theories by someone, but due to one of the reasons mentioned above or another unknown reason he is firmly vote blue no matter who along with everything that goes along with it.

 

[dustbuster]

The failure to agree to compromise to prevent the war in the first place is on Lincoln.

To put this into modern terms the antisemites on this forum can better understand:

Lincoln was acting then just like Israel does now.

A land was freshly partitioned through secession, and he keeps occupying land that is not his anymore.
The south tries to avoid violence, and Lincoln keeps sending supplies and reinforcements to these forts.

He's fucking Net and Yoohoo, 1861 edition.

 

[Betonhaus]

To put this into modern terms the antisemites on this forum can better understand:

Lincoln was acting then just like Israel does now.

A land was freshly partitioned through secession, and he keeps occupying land that is not his anymore.
The south tries to avoid violence, and Lincoln keeps sending supplies and reinforcements to these forts.

He's fucking Net and Yoohoo, 1861 edition.

oh that makes sense, I get it now thanks

I don't think that's it. As I said before he is FIRMLY on the DNC plantation. As soon as she was persona non grata with the DNC is when he stopped being her friend. I wished I could PL so I can run my theories by someone, but due to one of the reasons mentioned above or another unknown reason he is firmly vote blue no matter who along with everything that goes along with it.

If that's the case, him having access to rumors or information that's not publicly available seems most likely.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I don't think that's it. As I said before he is FIRMLY on the DNC plantation. As soon as she was persona non grata with the DNC is when he stopped being her friend. I wished I could PL so I can run my theories by someone, but due to one of the reasons mentioned above or another unknown reason he is firmly vote blue no matter who along with everything that goes along with it.

I can only come to the conclusion he wants something from her, but she doesn't have much to give. Better status in Hawaii's government? That bridge was burned long before Lahaina. Money? She's not running for office now.

 

[Seedling]

I must say, despite the slapfight i am enjoying the history lesson on uncle Abe

 

[Breadbassket]

A few more things about Abraham Lincoln.

In regards to military service, he volunteered to join the Illinois state militia in the Black Hawk War but never saw combat.

Abraham Lincoln served as the 16th President of the United States from 1861 before being assassinated in 1865. During his early days in office, the United States plunged into a bloody civil war between northern and southern states over slavery. Prior to his presidency, Lincoln, originally from Kentucky, had a career as a self-taught lawyer and militiaman in Illinois before seeking office with the newfound abolitionist Republican Party. Future President Lincoln interrupted his fledgling career to enroll in the Illinois Militia during the Black Hawk War in 1832. The 16th President’s militia service did not involve combat but shaped his leadership abilities and political career.

His views on race by modern American standards were extremely racist but probably pretty common in his day.

You have all spoken of the strange sights you see here, among your pale-faced brethren; the very great number of people that you see; the big wigwams; the difference between our people and your own. But you have seen but a very small part of the palefaced people. You may wonder when I tell you that there are people here in this wigwam, now looking at you, who have come from other countries a great deal farther off than you have come.

We pale-faced people think that this world is a great, round ball, and we have people here of the pale-faced family who have come almost from the other side of it to represent their nations here and conduct their friendly intercourse with us, as you now come from your part of the round ball.''

How Historians Interpret​

“Lincoln felt that, ideally, American should be white. He explained to a black delegation in 1862 that the white and black races could not coexist in the nation, adding that the presence of blacks in America was currently causing white people to fight each other. The next year, in March, Lincoln met with Indian leaders. He had not known many Indians. He began by explaining that the world is round. . .He then considered the ‘great difference between this pale-faced people and their red brethren both as to numbers and the way in which they live.’ Indians, he said, live by hunting, whereas white people farm, and ‘I can only say that I can see no way in which your race is to become as numerous and prosperous as the white race except by living as they do.’ Lincoln also told his Indian listeners of another difference between the two races: ‘Although we are now engaged in a great war between one another, we are not, as a race, so much disposed to fight and kill one another as our red brethren.’ One might had thought that the carnage of a civil war between white people, widely understood as such at the time, would have undermined the belief in white civilization as superior, not to mention more peaceful—perhaps even have undermined the belief in whiteness itself. White people were killing each other all around Lincoln; he was himself directing much of the killing; and so his seemingly mad assertion of the white race’s comparative amiability must have answered a deep need to take an observable, unattractive feature of white behavior and attribute it to another race. If that race were removed from the nation, then would not the unwanted behavior cease as well? In which case the white American race could advance to prosperity and reach that destiny uniquely its own. The Civil War, however, was a truly American conflict; all three races fought on both sides. A majority of Indians fought for the Confederacy. . .Yet Indians in the Northern ambit, and some without, fought for Lincoln. . . Everyone’s racial fate was in the balance during the Civil War. . .”

–Scott Malcomson, One Drop of Blood: The American Misadventure of Race (New York: Farrar, Straus, and Giroux, 2000), 94-95

“Lincoln admitted that he was poorly informed on Indian affairs. . .In general, like most whites of his generation, he considered the Indians a barbarous people who were a barrier to progress. The ceremonial visits of Indian chiefs, dressed in their tribal regalia, he welcomed, both because they were exotic and because he rather enjoyed playing the role of their Great Father, addressing them in pidgin English and explaining that ‘this world is a great, round ball.’ Occasionally, as during the following year, he would offer them little homilies on how they could profit by learning the ‘arts of civilization.’ Pointing out that the ‘great difference between this pale-faced people and their red brethren,’ he told a group in the White House that whites had become numerous and prosperous partly because they were farmers rather than hunters. Even though he admitted that ‘we are now engaged in a great war between one another,’ he also offered another reason for white success: ‘We are not, as a race, so much disposed to fight and kill on another as our red brethren.’ The irony was unintentional.”

–David Herbert Donald, Lincoln (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1995), 393

While his ideas on emancipating then deporting former slaves is known, there is debate that he may of held these views up to his death.

One morning in the waning days of the Civil War, Major General Benjamin F. Butler called upon Abraham Lincoln at the White House. An obviously concerned Lincoln approached the general in private, acting "very much disturbed" in thought.[1] Questioning Butler, the president remarked, "But what shall we do with the negroes after they are free?"[2] With the hostilities of the previous four years drawing to a close, Lincoln's attention now turned to the condition and future of the emancipated slaves. "I fear a race war," he confided, while expressing concern that the enlisted black soldiers of the Union army would "be but little better off with their masters than they were before" if no action was taken to prevent it. The solution, he observed, was to be found in a program of colonization. Continued Lincoln, "I can hardly believe that the South and North can live in peace, unless we can get rid of the negroes."[3]

Instructed to study the feasibility of a colonization plan, Butler departed the Executive Mansion, promising to return with his findings. A few days later he again called on Lincoln. The logistical scale of colonizing the freedmen of the South, he reported, would make a comprehensive colonization program impossible. Butler proposed an alternative in which the "one hundred and fifty thousand negro troops" that were "now enlisted" in the federal army could be transported to a long-proposed colony location on the Panama isthmus where they could find employment in digging an American canal between the two oceans. "After we get ourselves established" on the isthmus, "we will petition Congress under your recommendation to send down to us our wives and children," thus apparently inducing a free migration of blacks to the new colony. "There is meat in that, General Butler, there is meat in that," responded Lincoln with instructions to the general to pursue preparations for the plan.[4] Butler was apparently to lead a renewed administration policy for colonization—a topic that occupied substantial attention within the Lincoln administration prior to January 1, 1863, but had since been supplanted by other priorities as the war progressed and, according to a common interpretation, abandoned entirely. It was the last time the two would meet, as Lincoln's life ended with an assassin's bullet a few days later.

So goes a well-known and controversial anecdote related late in life by General Butler. Though the colonization issue appeared frequently in the early years of the Lincoln presidency, its placement by Butler a few short days before Lincoln's death, if accepted as true, may require a revision of longstanding interpretations of both Lincoln's racial views and post-war policy goals at his untimely death. Hinting at those implications, George Frederickson observes that acceptance of the Butler anecdote would suggest that "Lincoln continued to his dying day to deny the possibility of racial harmony in the United States and persisted in regarding colonization as the only real alternative to perpetual race conflict." [5]

As the final Emancipation Proclamation's date coincides with the time when Lincoln is traditionally thought to have backed away from colonization, comments such as Welles's deserve consideration by the historian seeking to understand the extent that this policy remained on his mind. Welles's portrayal of Lincoln is characteristically respectful, even if apprehensive toward the policies he discusses. He describes Lincoln's beliefs as "more advanced than those of the colonizationists" in terms of the complexity of thought the president applied to the situation. Never completely developed, Lincoln's brand of colonization arose from his trepidations about racial conflict. According to Welles, he genuinely feared "a war more terrible than that in which we were now engaged," brought on by the oppression of the freedmen.

The present inquiry set out to provide a firmer basis for evaluating Butler's colonization anecdote by resolving the issue of its reported timeline. Though established in date, the anecdote leaves many additional questions unanswered and provides room for further examination of an underexplored area of Lincoln's presidency. As the full conversation between Butler and Lincoln was known only to its participants, one of them assassinated only three days later and the other writing of it twice several decades after the fact, a comprehensive and unbiased record of its events is unlikely ever to emerge. What is certain is that a private meeting in 1865 between Butler and Lincoln occurred. The details of this meeting, as conveyed by Butler, exhibit duly acknowledged signs of embellishment and the distorting effects of their distance from the event itself. Beginning with the meeting's known date though, the two Butler accounts deserve greater attention than they have received. Sufficient evidence exists to merit additional consideration of Lincoln's colonization views later in life, and tends to caution against the conclusiveness that many scholars have previously attached to the view that Lincoln fully abandoned this position. The Butler anecdote remains an imperfect example, yet some of its more plausible details may indicate that Lincoln retained an interest in colonization, even if limited, as late as 1865.

 

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If that's the case, him having access to rumors or information that's not publicly available seems most likely.

I know he has had the access in the past, since she is one of 2 "elected officials" he is friends with. I just don't know if he still does. We're not close . I don't remember the other ones name or if he still is an elected official or not.

Part of me thinks it's an evolved "Brooklyn dad" situation. But if that's the case or even if he did hear a rumor or get info, what's that mean as to what's going on in the political sphere.

Another thought I just had is maybe she is going to be running for something other than president/vp and he's angling to be involved in that. One of the convo's we had about her was when she just started her campaign and he sent me a text saying that if she won he would probably have a spot somewhere in her admin. It turned into a big ass debate about why I thought it wouldn't happen and how unqualified he is...not to mention the nepotism. This of course was before she was ostracized.

He also could of been lying about completely dropping her as a friend and just keeping the friendship on the DL so he wouldn't get ostracized too.

The whole situation has confused the fuck outta me.

Edit to reply to @Drag-on Knight 91873

I came to the conclusion that he is def trying to get her attention. But to what ends.

Everything you said is spot on.

In addition
He doesnt have a position or status in Hawaii's government. Neither does his wife. He is already "famous" there and so is his wife for reason of Hawaii's history

He doesn't need money, at least as far as I know. He has an inheritance from his mom and maternal grandad who is also famous there for historical reasons also.

My nephew is also now "famous" for the connecrions my brother and his wife have as well as doing his own thing with hawaii's culture.

Just had this thought.....maybe she reached out to him to try and get back in good graces there and offered him something to "signal boost", something that would enable him to step off the plantation for this one instance.

Fuck ive turned into Alex jones.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Which is why I half expect it to be announced in September/October.

I can see the end result now - They figure they've got the steal in the bag, pull the draft card because something else is forcing them to go full stupid. They rub two braincells together and properly spread the draft, get a lotta unemployed reddit communists and shit pulled up into the soon to be meat grinder. Then the monkeys paw curls, and Trump wins.

Leaving an untold number of now armed and trained lefty conscripts who think they're individually enlightened beings, to be told to salute the great evil in Trump as their Commander in Chief. We'd hear the fedposting across the globe, in every corner of the world.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Which is why I half expect it to be announced in September/October.

They have to ensure as many rednecks as possible just started basic for them to tweak the mail-in ballots

I can see the end result now - They figure they've got the steal in the bag, pull the draft card because something else is forcing them to go full stupid. They rub two braincells together and properly spread the draft, get a lotta unemployed reddit communists and shit pulled up into the soon to be meat grinder. Then the monkeys paw curls, and Trump wins.

Leaving an untold number of now armed and trained lefty conscripts who think they're individually enlightened beings, to be told to salute the great evil in Trump as their Commander in Chief. We'd hear the fedposting across the globe, in every corner of the world.

They'll see the draft as a way to get rid of all of those deplorables.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Just had this thought.....maybe she reached out to him to try and get back in good graces there and offered him something to "signal boost", something that would enable him to step off the plantation for this one instance.

That makes a lot more sense, though I don't see what it can be because her potential has been spent already. I guess she becomes RFK's VP or something, which is a more palatable choice for a never Trumper whom also hates Biden and Progressives. Both of them can potentially agree that the Pro-Palestinians are going too far in their rioting and anti-Semitism and derailing the party as a whole.

 

[Gehenna]

They have to ensure as many rednecks as possible just started basic for them to tweak the mail-in ballots

There is no way in hell the sheer amount of lost faith from their, now former, supporters and absolutely driven mad with need to vote from Trump's supports that would cause would in any way be less than what they gain from doing it.

 

[dustbuster]

Something that may have passed people by:
Judge Merchan has altered the schedule of Trump's trial from Wednesdays to Fridays.
This was designed to make sure Orthodox Jews who support Trump overwhelmingly are excluded from his jury pool due to religious laws.