US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[asr]

Poor little Harry got thrown to the wolves today in front of the courthouse View attachment 5909915

who is this kid I assume named Harry?

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I heard there was a Death Note manga where Trump bought a Death Note on the black market just to keep it out of people's hands and put it under a crystal dome in the White House never to be used but to scare the fuck out of America's Enemies.

It’s better. He buys it. God does not like the protag naking everyone in japan rich forever by selling it and not using it so as to not kill himself so God changes the rules. So that the people that agreed to trade the book would die when the trade is complete. Or when they recieve the money. Trump gets told this and tells the Death Reaper he can keep the book. That way Trump not dead and everyone thinks he has ultimate power.

I quote ‘very shrewd Mr President’

 

[Woe-B-Gon (TM)]

So everything you need to live is up around 10%, but it's okay because some unspecified luxury goods are collapsing in price.

I don't see what you're so worried abou...

“And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.” - Revelation 6:6

... oh.

 

[draggs]

I'm mostly just trying to figure out what your ideals even ARE. You've mentioned before that if you were called up to fight by the US government, you'd do so regardless of the reason/who was in charge/etc. This feels incongruous with decrying those who fought on behalf of what they would consider their own government (i.e, the confederacy. This is really no different, particularly if they were siding with their states moreso than the "confederacy" at large).

I should imagine that breaking away from Britain was similarly illegal, by the way.

Force of arms proved that the United States had the right to declare independence from Great Britain, and that the Confederacy did not from the Union. Everything else is coping and seething

 

[Sniperwoof]

Does Trump have the courtroom sketch artist on his payroll? This makes him look so cool and badass.
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This should be the official logo of his re-election campaign.
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Lmao this is fucking awesome. Looks like Stonetoss drew it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Force of arms proved that the United States had the right to declare independence from Great Britain, and that the Confederacy did not from the Union. Everything else is coping and seething

That is a major thing, and why I'm not sympathetic to old grandfather's cause. He fucking lost when they began on a alpha strike attack. Once Grant and Sherman were willing to spend some lives, burn them if you will, they couldn't stand.

Not to mention I find slavery abhorrent. Which in the end, the Union DID repeal. And the DEMOCRATS in charge of the Confederacy were all too keen on keeping.

 

[pwnest injun]

who is this kid I assume named Harry?

Harry Sisson is a zoomer who works as an online Biden "influencer" but really all his engagement comes from right wing people making fun of him for being an ignorant child.

 

[Breadbassket]

As said in your own article, it gave the North very little and the South everything. Not exactly a great compromise.

A compromise is a compromise. It gave Lincoln and his compatriots the choice of preserving slavery in slave-holding states and potentially new states or doubling down on opposition to what would later become the Confederacy.

Could of this compromise simply kicked the can down the road like it seems the Compromise of 1850 did? Maybe. The disputes over how America should be industrialized would of remained.

There is also the possibility that slavery as an institution in the USA would of died a slow gradual death throughout the late 1800s and early 1900s. Besides the economic damage of war never occurring, hundreds of thousands of men may of not needed to die at all

The Western world was moving toward the outlawing of slavery in general by the time of the 1850s and 1860s even if the American South itself resisted such moves.

Okay, how long might it have taken for blacks to gain equal rights without going through a civil war?

Well, starting in the early 19th century, one Western nation after another that had tolerated the slave trade passed laws banning their citizens from participating in it. These nations included Denmark (1792), Great Britain (1807), the United States, Mexico (1810), Venezuela (1810), Chile (1811), Argentina (1813), Sweden (1813), the Netherlands (1814), France, Brazil (1851) and Cuba (1867). While banning the slave trade wasn’t the same thing as stopping it, clearly time was running out for the slave trade. Throughout this period, Great Britain’s Royal Navy persisted with its long‐term campaign to disrupt the slave trade, and while it didn’t intercept more than a small percentage of slave ships, it definitely increased the risks and costs of the slave trade, and created uncertainties for slaveholders who depended on fresh shipments of slaves. Meanwhile, nations that got on board to ban slavery itself in their territories included Argentina (1813), Colombia (1814), Chile (1823), Mexico (1829), Bolivia (1831), Great Britain , Sweden , Denmark, France, Ecuador (1851), Peru (1854) and Venezuela (1854).

By 1860, the number of Western slave societies had fallen dramatically. There were only three places of consequence in the Western Hemisphere that still tolerated slavery: the United States, Cuba and Brazil. Many Southerners comforted themselves by citing Biblical passages defending slavery, but they knew that increasing numbers of people viewed them as backward and barbaric because of their slavery. Cuba outlawed slavery in 1886, Brazil two years later, as mentioned above.

While it’s true the defeat of the South helped convince Cuban and Brazilian slaveholders that the end was in sight, a number of other factors were working against slavery in Cuba and Brazil. As more places were knocked out of the slave trade, the Royal Navy was able to concentrate its resources on Cuba and Brazil. In Cuba, the Ten Years War undermined slavery because both sides became so desperate that they promised emancipation to slaves who joined their side, which significantly reduced the number of slaves there. I’ve already noted the multiple strategies at work in Brazil – raising private funds to buy the freedom of slaves, competition among towns, districts and provinces to become slave‐free, the escalation of runaways and government compensation for slaveholders, undermining their resistance to emancipation.
Without the Civil War, the abolition of American slavery surely would have come later than it did, perhaps a couple decades later. The United States might have been the last hold‐out. There would have been mounting pressure on the South.

As for the abolitionists pop culture loves to adore these days and the idea that Northern opposition to slavery would of grown every year without the ACW keep this in mind.

It’s hard to accept just how unpopular abolitionism was before the Civil War. The abolitionist Liberty Party never won a majority in a single county, anywhere in America, in any presidential race. Ralph Nader got closer to the presidency. In 1860 the premier antislavery newspaper, The Liberator, had a circulation of under 3,000, in a nation of 31 million.

Even among Northerners who wanted to stop the spread of slavery, the idea of banning it altogether seemed fanatical. On the eve of the Civil War, America’s greatest sage, Ralph Waldo Emerson, predicted that slavery might end one day, but “we shall not live to see it.”

In a deeply racist society, where most white Americans, South and North, valued sectional unity above equal rights, “abolitionist” was usually a dirty word. One man who campaigned for Abraham Lincoln in 1860 complained: “I have been denounced as impudent, foppish, immature, and worse than all, an Abolitionist.”

While we remember the war as a struggle for freedom, at its outset neither Lincoln nor the Republican Party planned to ban slavery. To calm talk of secession, Congress passed a never-ratified, now-forgotten 13th Amendment promising that no amendment could ever end slavery. Lincoln backed it. Going into the conflict, Congress offered to abolish abolitionism, not slavery.

Abolitionism gained strength thanks to the uncompromising stance of radical “fire eating” Southerners. By ostracizing Northern allies, seceding and then starting a war, Southern radicals gave abolitionism gift after gift after gift. When South Carolina militiamen fired on Fort Sumter, Frederick Douglass exalted: “Thank God! — The slaveholders themselves have saved our cause from ruin!”

As for Buchanan:

James Buchanan, Lincoln's immediate predecessor, believed secession was forbidden.

He did yes, but his position was more sympathetic to the South and he advocated for a peaceful solution before conflict broke out.

Following the election of 1860, seven deep South states left the Union, and Buchanan was presented with the final crisis of his administration. In his message to Congress in early December 1860, issued prior to secession, Buchanan showed his sympathy for the South by blaming the sectional crisis on the North's interference with slavery. He urged northern states to repeal their laws which hampered the return of fugitive slaves. At the same time, however, Buchanan unequivocally defended the Union. He claimed that secession was unconstitutional and could only be justified by the revolutionary right of resistance to oppression. He urged the South to wait until the Republicans committed some overt and dangerous act before seceding. But Buchanan was vague as to what the federal government would do if a state seceded. He claimed that while the government had the responsibility of enforcing the laws, it had no power to coerce a state to remain in the Union.

Once secession began, Buchanan sought to retain the loyalty of the upper South and to avoid a confrontation with the departed states until they found their way back to the Union. He hoped that Congress or the Peace Convention, which assembled in Washington in February 1861, would find a solution to the crisis. He also recommended that a constitutional convention be held to pass amendments protecting slavery in the territories and in slaveholding states. However, nothing came of these compromise efforts.

Buchanan also faced the delicate issue presented by the federal forts in Florida and South Carolina, which the seceding states had failed to seize. Buchanan initially ordered the reinforcement of these forts, but he revoked his orders at the urging of pro-southern friends and cabinet members. However, a series of changes in Buchanan's cabinet throughout December replaced its pro-secessionist members with staunch unionists. Buchanan now changed his position and sent a relief expedition to Charleston in early January 1861. The relief attempt failed, and Buchanan returned to his previous policy of maintaining the status quo. An unofficial armistice, sometimes referred to as a "truce," prevailed at the forts. Buchanan never considered surrendering the forts to the South, and at the end of his presidency, they remained in federal hands. But not having been reinforced, they were more difficult to defend. The problem of holding them in their more vulnerable condition became the responsibility of his successor.

On March 4, 1861, weary and happy to be relieved of his duties, Buchanan left office and retired to his Wheatland estate. Although he supported the war effort and blamed the South for instigating the fighting, he was widely ridiculed for failing to put down secession and to protect federal forts. He devoted considerable time in his retirement to defending his administration, and in 1866, he published his memoirs, Mr. Buchanan's Administration on the Eve of the Rebellion. He died on June 1, 1868, at the age of seventy-seven, from a severe cold and the complications of old age.

South Carolina (the state that started the whole ordeal) only seceded in the first place because Lincoln won the 1860 election and secession by the states in the USA at that point in time was legally untested.

The victory of Republican presidential candidate Abraham Lincoln in the 1860 elections convinced South Carolina legislators that it was no longer in their state’s interest to remain in the Union. South Carolina declared its secession from the United States. Citing “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding states to the institution of slavery,” South Carolina insisted that the Northern states had breached their constitutional obligation to enforce federal laws like the Fugitive Slave Act and had “united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States” who would “inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.” “We, therefore, the People of South Carolina . . . have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved.” Within months, a total of eleven slaveholding states declared their secession from the Union. And war came. The Union defeat of the Confederate army was nothing less than a defeat of secessionist theories of the Constitution. It also opened up the door to profound changes in the federal system during Reconstruction.

As for the status of the federal forts in the Confederacy I don't have much to add there considering the past actions of the leadership of both sides involved, even if the fight over Fort Sumter was resolved peacefully there is a chance it would of started over somewhere else.

 

[The Great Citracett]

who is this kid I assume named Harry?

He's a paid actor who shills for pedo Joe on tiktok to try and get the zoomer vote. He denies it but he's on the payroll of actblue (possibly others).

He gets fed all the questions and answers before any interview he does, and it's pretty obvious that all he does is just read scripts directly from the DNC.

He's normally kept in a safe little bubble where's he's totally protected from any kind of backlash or disagreement, so he's basically fucked if he's ever in a situation where others are allowed to speak.

 

[Halfnium Bomb]

began on a alpha strike attack

We speak English here compadre.

Seriously consider the quality of your posts vs. the dixiefag's posts. You have 2-3 sentence emotional nonsequiturs and argument based on mythology, dixiefag has several paragraphs of researched and cited quotes and seems to actually know some history.

 

[Snekposter]

South Carolina (the state that started the whole ordeal) only seceded in the first place because Lincoln won the 1860 election and secession by the states in the USA at that point in time was legally untested.

See, this is the issue I ultimately have. You and many other people put the blame on Lincoln when all he did to start the secessions off was... win the election. A highly contested and bitter four-way election, I might add. The man hadn't even been sworn in yet and he gets stuck with the blame for the entire Civil War when things were already happening under the lame duck Buchanan despite the man's sympathies. Had the South not immediately chimped out because the North elected someone who ran a platform of not taking anymore of their shit and asking for seconds its entirely possible the slavery issue could have and would have been resolved without further bloodshed, at least assuming the ongoing strife in Kansas could be halted and its issues dealt with.

 

[dustbuster]

You and many other people put the blame on Lincoln when all he did to start the secessions off was... win the election

He didn't have to reinforce and resupply forts that were no longer on US soil.
He did that deliberately.
The south STILL didn't kill any of his men, but that didn't matter, he was given his "gulf of tonkin" and was now free to genocide the south with the same tactics his same generals would use to genocide the western tribes post-war.

Had the South not immediately chimped out..

Would you tolerate Chinese building and occupying fortifications near NY harbor or Just outside Dallas?
No?
Stop fucking blaming the south for defending themselves from a hostile madman.

 

[Dick Mason]

Dude if we had Magi Chan in charge of the CIA and FBI, oh shit, stuff would get DONE BROS.

The feds can't even keep disheveled octapalegic MAGA grannies from peacefully preying on their lawns. They've had their turn. If we pick our cabinet well, we could clean up this gronk mushy world.

I nominate Ethan Ralph as ambassador to Israel. Peace in the middle east is assured.

 

[WelperHelper99]

See, this is the issue I ultimately have. You and many other people put the blame on Lincoln when all he did to start the secessions off was... win the election. A highly contested and bitter four-way election, I might add. The man hadn't even been sworn in yet and he gets stuck with the blame for the entire Civil War when things were already happening under the lame duck Buchanan despite the man's sympathies. Had the South not immediately chimped out because the North elected someone who ran a platform of not taking anymore of their shit and asking for seconds its entirely possible the slavery issue could have and would have been resolved without further bloodshed, at least assuming the ongoing strife in Kansas could be halted and its issues dealt with.

It cannot be understated how shit Lincoln's first day was. He gets in and the country fucking explodes. Yeah that changes a man. That turns a president into something a bit more.

The entire time he's in, he is at war with HIS country. Half of which are in open rebellion. Yeah, no shit, he's not just going to let the spoiled rich plantation owner democrats of the South have there way.

At first it's shit because half his generals defected and the other half were ass. But Lincoln keeps fucking going, at much personal expense. His wife has gone mad at this point. The average man would have shot himself. Lincoln keeps going.

Eventually Gettysburg happens, and that keeps Europe from crashing in. We got some better generals, you know the rest. Problem is Lincoln is running for a second term. Needs a democrat for vp because they still have some slave states under union control. Chooses Johnson (worst mistake of his life).

He's running against a coward general that wants to break bread with traitors that at this point have killed hundreds of thousands and burned entire states to the ground. And... Lincoln wins in a landslide because the Union doesn't want to fucking lose.

And then, at the end of the war, Lincoln gets shot. The last vengeance of the DEMOCRATS. He wanted to fix the country. Instead the Democrats rose back to power in just over a decade. Gotta love the south. You can trace back all our problems to John Wilks Booth and Johnson.

 

[Coptakhenaten]

I am not a fan of Lincoln for his authoritarianism but I recognize his shrewdness and at the very least his powerlust seems to have ended the second the civil war ended and after that he had decent intentions.

However the Republican party he helped established was still deeply pozzed with its desire for central banking and erosion of federalism. The Democrats took the centralizing features of the Republicans and accelerated it with outright traitors and subversives like Wilson and FDR, but the infrastructure they built their subversion machinery on came from Republicans being the first party that really pushed for progressive policies in the early 1900s.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Fag Smith biting his pillow:

 

[dustbuster]

I am not a fan of Lincoln for his authoritarianism but I recognize his shrewdness and at the very least his powerlust seems to have ended the second the civil war ended

His "power lust" was ended by a bullet to the head, just like every other tyrant.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Just imagine that if you listen closely, you can hear me REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing in the distance.

https://local21news.com/news/local/fire-at-scranton-weapons-plant

Scranton fire crews were dispatched to General Dynamics on Cedar Avenue in Scranton for a report of a chimney fire Monday afternoon around 4 PM.

Upon arrival, flames could be seen shooting out of the chimney.

Crews managed to get the fire under control.

Officials say there was no extension into the building from the chimney fire.


According to their website General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems is the global leader in weapon and platform protection systems for land, sea and air applications.

General Dynamics was formerly known as Chamberlain Manufacturing.

THat's what they're saying, but it's interesting that it's the factory they completely upgraded to help out Ukraine and is our #1 production of 155mm's.

Back in the day, there would be some serious questions about as to how the chimney ended up catching on fire.

 

[Snekposter]

His "power lust" was ended by a bullet to the head, just like every other tyrant.

Yeah, such a lust for power the Southern newspapers all called Booth a fucking retard for killing him considering his sympathies towards the South as a whole.

that were no longer on US soil

They were property of the Feds before the secession and as a result remained as such afterwards. If Maryland seceded would D.C. become their legal soil? Because the Constitution as I have mentioned before and you have ignored says those federally-owned military buildings are to be run by Congress the same way as D.C. is. So what makes a fort different from D.C.? You also ignored the part where Fort Sumter was ceded to the Feds by South Carolina. You don't get to declare something is yours after handing it over to someone when you realize later its terribly inconvenient for them to have it in their possession.

Shit, I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers considered the British forts and arsenals in the Colonies to be Crown property but they were honest about why they were taking them over. None of this motte-and-bailey about "It was state property!/It was an unacceptable danger!" you're pulling.

As to the genocide, after Lee's surrender the Union Army was called in to put out the fires in Richmond that the Southerners themselves had set. Union soldiers saw Charleston burning on the horizon while they were still marching there. AFAIK the only place the North went full Mongol on the South was the Shenandoah Valley. You're not wrong that the man responsible, one Philip Sheridan, would go on to employ those same tactics against the Indians later on in his career, though.

Ironically that man was surprisingly sympathetic to the Indians and blamed Congress for causing them such deprivation as to incite them to armed rebellion, but as an officer of the US Army his duty was to the US and its citizens first and foremost, not the native tribes.

 

[dustbuster]

Yeah, such a lust for power the Southern newspapers all called Booth a fucking retard for killing him considering his sympathies towards the South as a whole.

His secret police had just spent years literally smashing the presses of any papers that criticized Lincoln, and any owners that persisted after that were arrested and thrown into prison or deported without trial.

They were property of the Feds before the secession

And then the states Seceded, and they weren't their property anymore.
Funny that.

Ironically that man was surprisingly sympathetic to the Indians and blamed Congress for causing them such deprivation as to incite them to armed rebellion

I bet you believed Dubya was a lovable buffoon, too.
A "compassionate conservative" (who just happened to slaughter some 5 million arabs and ship random Americans off to Gitmo to be tortured without trial)