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That Libya vehicle stop footage is like the equivalent of the people on the back of the plane trying to get off first. 
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The front blocking vehicle almost run over two dudes. It was insane.That Libya vehicle stop footage is like the equivalent of the people on the back of the plane trying to get off first.
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There's got to be a better way! But wait, there is! Introducing for a limited time the Navy SEALs, your solution to all your abduction needs.
*Edit- I wonder if this is Black Squadron, the clandestine squadron, or if all the assault squadrons train to do abductions like this.
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The average armed civilian in America wouldn't shit himself with these assclowns running around, why the hell would the Cartels?
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Most of these guys come off as boomer fools or grifters trying to cash in on the podcast craze, but when I saw Delta Force in the thread title it reminded me how excellent the theme to Delta Force is:
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OP limit increased, let's fucking GO! Thanks dear leader!
I've already been having some plans. Delta vs SEALs, Kyle Morgan and Pressburg, to expand on different things. But I'm taking suggestions about everything. If you feel I'd need to add people, videos, new sections, I'm all ears!
It pays to be a winner!
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I've already been having some plans. Delta vs SEALs, Kyle Morgan and Pressburg, to expand on different things. But I'm taking suggestions about everything. If you feel I'd need to add people, videos, new sections, I'm all ears!
It pays to be a winner!
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Edit: I was watching Seth Harp's nitter, and it mentioned McRaven losing 4 wars in a row. Which 4 is he refering to? Afghanistan is one, Iraq, with the rise of ISIS could be another, what am I missing?
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Could be the US efforts in Africa. Everyone involved says its a strategic clusterfuck. But on a tactical level SEALs there have been virtually flawless. There's been several battles far bigger than 1993 Mogadishu that barely made the news because they didn't take any casualties. I remember Chris Fettes saying that he and his team conducted a successful 22-day operation in Somalia in 2016.
McRaven isn't responsible for losing wars, but his massive ego did almost ruin the UBL raid, and did get hostages killed on the SY Quest.
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Yes, they could. In fact, this exact thought occurred to many special forces soldiers, which is why they fought the cartels and took over various parts of the drug trade for themselves, at least for a while. You would think, given their whole lives are about this kind of thing, that they would know the cartels have already thought of this and keep special forces on their payroll specifically for this reason. Shit, this was the plot of Lethal Weapon, a movie that came out in the 80s.
In fact, not only could they destroy the cartels, they often do, which is why cartel territory is constantly changing hands as old bosses are assassinated and new cartels either scoop up the remnants of the old cartel or go to war with whoever remains. Turns out you can't just kill everyone and call it a done deal, someone who's desperate or corrupt or whatever is gonna think "why not me" and try to make money in the vacuum you leave behind.
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What the fuck does that even mean? What did he mean by this?
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His CTE/PTSD-addled brain is acting up again.
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That the US spends so much money in the MIC and that's the reason there's no universal healthcare; therefore if we don't have that, Iran will see the return of investment of that money when they get bombed to the Stone Age. Both being ridiculous, since the US is actually trying to de-escalate the situation (global shipping and supply is at risk) and the universal healthcare issue is much more complex than "there's no money because of guns and bombs".
Los Zetas were founded by members of Mexican Special Forces, so yeah. The ridiculous part is the context. Of course, if the US or even the Mexican Army decide to go all out against Cartels, they will win.
The issue being is how 4 or 8 dudes from Delta will do it alone. Drop those four dudes into Tijuana with only M4's, a compass, and 210 rounds. No live ISR, no QRF, no base resupply, no Blackhawks or little birds, no intelligence network that tells them where is the next house to hit. Oh, and you are also killing Mexican citizens outside the law, so if you get caught by the police, you are going to Mexican jail for life (or until they shank and skin you).
I'm sure they might raid some small level place or whatever, but hell, talk about underestimating your enemy. Don't they think an organization with as much money as a drug Cartel can't afford quality armed security, NOD's, thermals, or drones (or drones with thermals)? If you get hunted by a cartel QRF, what are you going to do? Go into the city? They have informants everywhere. Hide in the fields? Maybe, but they surely got thermal drones and armored cars and probably more weaponry than you. The whole premise in current day is silly.
Cole was pretty sympathetic with him in Code Over Country, and in an interview he called McRaven "one of the good ones". But I've already had enough with Jordan Peterson telling me to clean my room, and now McRaven tells me to make my bed. Why are grown old-ass men trying to write books pretending to be my mom?
Anyway, questionable books about leadership aside, I did not hear about how his ego almost ruined the UBL raid and tbh it's the first time I've heard about the SY Quest (read the Wikipedia and there's contradicting info). I think it was not in CoC, or maybe I missed it. Could you give me insight on what happened in both cases and maybe some sources? His OP section might need some updating from that.
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Both of those stories come from Relentless Strike: The Secret History of Joint Special Operations Command by Sean Naylor. Super long book but well worth reading. Unfortunately I don't have a copy on me right now. McRaven wanted to use the experimental stealth helicopters against the advice of the TF-160th pilots and the Red Squadron CSM because he thought they were cool. He threw a fit and almost fired the CSM for "questioning his authority". They ran simulations with regular stealth Chinooks and they would have worked just as well and had no chance of losing lift. It was also McRaven's choice to make an all star team from Red Squadron rather than use an existing assault troop.
The SY Quest was a hijacking that occurred after captain Phillips. McRaven was mad that the snipers on the Phillips raid had successfully killed the pirates because it wasn't the plan he came up with, and he had wanted to tell the President that he had planned the operation. So two years later when this operation rolled around, he explicitly ordered the snipers not to fire at the pirates, and the hostages were killed as the snipers watched.
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I'll tell you how they should go about it: They need to think less like Badass American Special Forces Operators(TM), and more like the Vietcong or any Communist insurgent group.
You'll be operating on limited resources deep inside very hostile territory with questionable, at best, intelligence. You'll be facing an enemy that is well equipped and funded, and what they lack in training and determination against real opposition, they make up for in sheer brutality and savagery. The name of the game would be trying to train and arm Mexican civilians who're willing to take up arms against the Cartels, not all the doorkicker shit.
Then, once you have a sizeable enough number of newly-trained (and confirmed to not be informants) insurgents, then you start waging a guerilla war. Constantly harass weaker targets, take shots at their convoys and run before the QRF arrives, snatch known informants up and shoot them/hang them. Make life utterly miserable for the Cartels, whose biggest concern is making money, while garnering public support for your cause. Now, instead of the Cartel's acts of violence inspiring fear in the populace, it inspires anger and a desire for retribution which will funnel supplies and recruits from the locals into your ranks while thinning them from the Cartels.
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Those are decent ideas but it wouldn't work. Too many people would lose too much money both in Mexico and the USA for it to catch on such that it'd put a real dent in cartel activities and assets. Maybe if some Green Berets that could be resupplied quietly and reliably were available to operate in-country for about a decade, they could possibly do what you're writing about. It would have to be people that knew and understood the local culture(s). I think that part would be most important.
Those four idiots in that video talk like people who have never once tried to study even a modicum of sociology, economics, and politics to even remotely understand why things like cartels exist and are so successful. You know what they say about a retard that only has a hammer...
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This has happened several times and each time the group that ousts the cartel becomes the cartel itself. It's sort of a conspiracy theory (maybe an open secret) that the government worked with the cartels to assassinate the leadership of the first civilian defense movement because, well, if the citizens can arm themselves to protect themselves and oust abusive, corrupt authoritarians, why stop with the cartel? Cartel members might even start giving up dirty politicians to save their own lives. The politics of the situation are not as clear cut as these operators would like to think.
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To the people making shitty blackout pics, learn better trade craft. How do you fuck this up? Use Paint and a black square.
Everyone's face is covered and OPSEC is safe
Unless someone has a photo editor.
Everyone's face is covered and OPSEC is safe
Unless someone has a photo editor.
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Former SEAL who augmented DEVGRU and works for NSWC Crane. Speech-to-text cancer warning. I know this guy said in an old comment that the teams were briefed that O'Neill killed UBL. Don't want to scroll back years though. This is the user who revealed the truth about Dunbar.
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Found him talking about it. He's responding to the "IED caused a sympathetic detonation" argument, and he's saying "absolutely not". Weird thing, he spells SEAL as Seals. Must be the text-to-speech (why doesn't he type?). SOF aren't known for their care of grammar, anyway.
https://old.reddit.com/r/navyseals/comments/17m4jrl/the_rob_oneil_breakdown_w_a_delta_operator/ archive
Edit: Another two more on Dunbar. He writes like shit. You were right. He mentions Delta forgetting to do a headcount and leaving a blocking element on target, and some other incidents besides Dunbar. You guys know what he's referring to?
"During the biggest battle of the Afghan war at the time. Say Yolo. And leave your post as the senior officer to go and get your gun on. No biggie. Don't even need to wait until your relief gets there. Will make a hell of book.
Forget to do a headcount. Leave a blocking element on target. No biggie. Just say a radio fell off a vic. Got to go back for it." (?)
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"Or ignore orders to RTB and say fuck it and cause a MH6 to crash and cause a new shooter to lose a leg" (?)
https://old.reddit.com/r/NonCredibl...als_are_special_entertainment_forces/jhhmy7c/ archive
https://old.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/exq7ju/navy_seals_amiright/ archive
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