US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[draggs]

Oh come on, you were on a roll for actually good posts then you do this? This helps nothing.

To paraphrase Tonto

What do you mean 'help,' white man? Looking at it from a pure political demographic angle, the percentage loss in voots if his ilk got purged like the Birchers is about 0.00001%. What is that, like 500 voots per state? I'm fairly amused by the most hopeless of minorities acting like they're the vanguard of a true and honest major political movement. Let's imagine for a moment he and his fellow travelers were in charge of the Republican Party and the public got to learn all about how Lincoln was a fascist and secession was not only a sacred right but the correct decision in 1860. With that baggage looks like winning elections is back on the menu boys

 

[dustbuster]

Unless the Republicans had a 263-268 majority, those 41 could have held out till the end of time.

Oh no! The government would have deadlocked, shut down, none of the illegitimate regime's tyranny would have been funded.
How awful for me, and you, and everyone else

Where the hell do you think they could have gotten the votes if they were simply harder line?

See above.
The goal is to end the tyranny.
Without funding, it effectively ends.

Jefferies would have been voted in well before a full MAGA candidate

Awesome.
That's a black swan that would have been great to point to in accelerating the purge of useless, communist-enabling RINOs in preparation to actually fight back over the span of 2 electoral cycles.

All those "messaging bills" these useless fucks are willing to pass into a DOA senate are what Pelosi's marxists actually put into law.
If a GOP can't fight back in-kind, it may as well not exist.

Trashcan it all you want, it's a legitimate view and long-term is needed to viably reverse the brazilification of the USA.

Currently electoral participation hovers at 60-64%.
That 36-40% are there for grabs, and they want fucking pinochet, not mitt romney.

 

[Gehenna]

Oh no! The government would have deadlocked, shut down, none of the illegitimate regime's tyranny would have been funded.
How awful for me, and you, and everyone else


See above.
The goal is to end the tyranny.
Without funding, it effectively ends.


Awesome.
That's a black swan that would have been great to point to in accelerating the purge of useless, communist-enabling RINOs in preparation to actually fight back.

All those "messaging bills" these useless fucks are willing to pass into a DOA senate are what Pelosi's marxists actually put into law.
If a GOP can't fight back in-kind, it may as well not exist.

I don't care what the fuck the goal is, I care if it is at all even possible. Your entire thing here would have gotten Jefferies in. There was already talk of the RINOs breaking free and voting for him, they had -more- than enough votes to do so. In fact if every single one who retired voted for Jefferies... Jefferies would have won. Get your head out of the clouds and stop living in lala land. None of this would have gone even remotely how you think it would have. Your idea would have handed the house to Jefferies on a platter who would have immediately begin making sure that no conservative majority could ever occur again.

For someone praising Pelosi's move you seem to not even understand the single most basic tenant of it. If you want to benefit from a purge of dissidents you do it from a position of strength. If you do it from weakness all you have done is make yourself an easy meal for the wolf.

 

[dustbuster]

. Your entire thing here would have gotten Jefferies in.

And Obamacare got Ryan in.
Guess what happened next time the house changed hands?

I don't care what the fuck the goal is, I care if it is at all even possible.

Pelosi did it, which means it can be done by MAGA with short-term sacrifice for medium and long-term gain.

Get your head out of the clouds

Get your head out of the blackpill jar.

 

[Halfnium Bomb]

If you want to benefit from a purge of dissidents you do it from a position of strength. If you do it from weakness all you have done is make yourself an easy meal for the wolf.

Disagree, you can't obtain strength to begin with if you're actively being sabotaged from the inside.

 

[Gehenna]

Pelosi did it, which means it can be done by MAGA with short-term sacrifice for medium and long-term gain.

Disagree, you can't obtain strength to begin with if you're actively being sabotaged from the inside.

Understand the premise. She sacrificed a close but comfortable majority to purge. In other words, she went from a position of strength. She could have kept on easily and maintained power without the purge. her position was strong, but with flaws. What she did was burn out the flaws and ensured on the next round when elections occured she was put in an even stronger position.

What matters to explain what she did is that she knew two things. First that the election coming up would favor Democrats and Second that she could afford to lose her comfortable majority because she would retain enough people to ensure that any dissidence on the right would leave her minority with the deciding votes.

The Republicans have none of that right now. They have a razor thin margin and losing the RINOs will cripple them in their current state. You don't need to be the biggest man on the field to do the purge but you do need to be in the stronger position than your enemy. Its about timing and choosing when to excise the poisoned limb.

 

[Breadbassket]

Johnson is not performing to expectations and will most likely continue to suck. He appears to compromise too much which makes him look weak to his own side. While the GOP controls the House its not by a large degree, the Democrats control the Senate and the White House, keeping this in mind his position is not exactly ideal for any legislator. Maybe his biggest issue is that he is faster to give in on things then his opposition is when it comes to any kind of negotiation.

Many of the things he has passed since his time as Speaker especially since the start of 2024 have been supported more by Democrats then Republicans which well illustrates the problems he is having currently. I predict the separate bills for aid to Israel and Taiwan should pass with bipartisan support, the one for Ukraine will stumble but pass with majority Democrat and some Republican support and the separate measure with GOP-oriented legislation will pass but die in the Senate. He really needs some kind of domestic policy win to address conservative voter concerns about him being a RINO or not but I am not sure if he will manage it before the election.

Vacating the House Speaker seat could create the opportunity for the Democrats to grab it and lead to more resignations from GOP House members who have terrible policy stances but useful votes. There would almost certainly be as much chaos around picking a new Speaker as there was with McCarthy's replacement. More left-leaning Republicans have shown they are willing to work with and concede to Democrats if push comes to shove. In a tense election year is it really worth it to politically jeopardize everything for an outcome that isn't even guaranteed? If the goal is to unseat establishment politicians, wouldn't doing it with a Trump controlled White House in a less critical midterm election be better?

Johnson is bad, a Democrat government trifecta controlling the House, Senate and White House, even if it is temporary, is worse, especially when the presidency is on the line. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't.

 

[dustbuster]

She sacrificed a close but comfortable majority to purge.

She accepted historic attrition in the house. It was a record bloodbath.
She did it to reform a more cohesive line, which then marched forward the next time they had the gavel to historic gains which have been disastrous for our nation.

She could have kept on easily and maintained power without the purge.

Yes, with blue-dogs who continually betrayed the party line.
She chose instead to serve her base and has been rewarded for it.

What matters to explain what she did is that she knew two things. First that the election coming up would favor Democrats

Dude the 2010 elections were the biggest bloodbath for the incumbency in almost a century.

Second that she could afford to lose her comfortable majority because she would retain enough people to ensure that any dissidence on the right would leave her minority with the deciding votes.

And anyone paying attention knows the current "GOP Majority" already gets back-seated into passing DNC's agenda, so what is there to lose with a strategic retreat to solidify the ranks and purge cowards and deserters?

"But Trump"

And?
If the senate gets 60 votes to derail his candidacy, that's their death warrant across red america.
Any senate that would do that would most certainly be quietly sabotaging a Trump 2nd Term anyway.

This is a necessary reformation of the GOP that must be confronted eventually, so it's time to fucking bring it.
The faster and more directly this happens, the fewer stab wounds the right in America will receive.

 

[Gehenna]

She accepted historic attrition in the house. It was a record bloodbath.
She did it to reform a more cohesive line, which then marched forward the next time they had the gavel to historic gains which have been disastrous for our nation.

Yes, with blue-dogs who continually betrayed the party line.
She chose instead to serve her base and has been rewarded for it.

Dude the 2010 elections were the biggest bloodbath for the incumbency in almost a century.

And anyone paying attention knows the current "GOP Majority" already gets back-seated into passing DNC's agenda, so what is there to lose with a strategic retreat to solidify the ranks and purge cowards and deserters?

You and I have very different times of when her purge began I think. That explains the fuckery on the timetable.

As to your point at the end, literally everything? Quite literally -everything-. Right now the Republican's, as crap a job as they are doing, are at least a roadblock to things the Democrats really, really want to do but know will get stopped even with such a narrow majority. You are all but saying "hand it to Jefferies" and smiling as you proudly refuse to even think about what that would actually entail.

Addendum: Stop adding shit as entirely side points in edits, its blatantly clear you are doing this when people see its missing off my quotes. There is no possible way the Democrats get 60 positions in the senate, just fuck off with that idiocy. They would need to keep everything and win everything to do that, so no. Have some even basic knowledge please.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Trump got more people to show up at a bodega than Biden could get in his hometown.

If only Trump had support where it actually mattered.

 

[dustbuster]

As to your point at the end, literally everything? Quite literally -everything-. Right now the Republican's, as crap a job as they are doing, are at least a roadblock to things the Democrats really, really want to do

Show Trials
Prison for memes.
Rule by party and not laws.
Prison without trial at all.
Summary execution before dawn of people who dissent.
Wide-spread censorship.
Disemployment and debanking.

All of these are happening, now, with zero pushback from a "GOP" house and enough in the senate to block anything non-spending.

Explain to me what they "really, really want to do" that's being blocked.

muh Trump 2024

With the current state of the GOP, who needs democrats?
Trump gets in with reagan 1984 electoral margins.. then what.. Mitch The Bitch forces democrat agenda through anyway.

The GOP needs a fucking reform at the legislative level.

It needs to happen 4 years ago, but it can still be done now.
Thomas has at least another 4 good years in which to back-stop the most egregious of shit.

 

[Gehenna]

Show Trials
Prison for memes.
Rule by party and not laws.
Prison without trial at all.
Summary execution before dawn of people who dissent.
Wide-spread censorship.
Disemployment and debanking.

All of these are happening, now, with zero pushback from a "GOP" house and enough in the senate to block anything non-spending.

Explain to me what they "really, really want to do" that's being blocked.


With the current state of the GOP, who needs democrats?
Trump gets in with reagan 1984 electoral margins.. then what.. Mitch The Bitch forces democrat agenda through anyway.

The GOP needs a fucking reform at the legislative level.

It needs to happen 4 years ago, but it can still be done now.
Thomas has at least another 4 good years in which to back-stop the most egregious of shit.

What. Do you think. Congress can actually -do- here? Do you even vaguely understand what power is? That not having it is bad. Do you even have a sense that there is a literal one seat majority in the house and the democrats are the ones who control the Senate and Presidency?

You seem to blithly ignore the fact that there is nothing a one majority seat in the house -can- do, besides making all those things you mention legal.

What fucking reform can occur when thats all you have? This is why I am saying -wait until after the election-. When you might actually be able to do jack shit. Do you think Johnson has a magic wand he can wave and make those go away? What do you think he actually -can- do? That is a serious question, what do you think he can do that would actually accomplish anything?

Do keep in mind, anything he passes has to get by the -democrat- senate. And has to -not- damage Trump. So no government shutdowns, serious answers only.

 

[dustbuster]

What. Do you think. Congress can actually -do- here?

The power of the purse is vast.
They can add line items to defund the salaries of individuals if they so choose.
They can set agency budgets to 0 effectively shutting them down, The same for individual districts in the DC Circuit (Lookin at you Chutkan), and if they get pushback, can shut the entire government down as a way to pry the admin's grubby hands off the levers of abuse.

Johnson's failure to do this, and "giving away of the store" in the process, is why he deserves to be vacated.
At this point it is the proverbial guillotine he deserves for his treason against his own voters.

You seem to blithly ignore the fact that there is nothing a one majority seat in the house -can- do

A 1 seat majority can do the same thing a 400 seat majority can, with the right discipline.
And if they don't be as ugly as you can in outing the traitor, cut all funding and expel him from the caucus and perhaps even congress. They certainly had no trouble expelling an actually representative congressman from NY earlier this year.

What fucking reform can occur when thats all you have?

Pelosi did it.
If that witch can, anyone can.
People vote for those willing to stand up. That's how Trump became president. He fucking stood up and mocked his attackers for 18 months.

 

[Gehenna]

The power of the purse is vast.
They can add line items to defund the salaries of individuals if they so choose.
They can set agency budgets to 0 effectively shutting them down, and if they get pushback, can shut the entire government down as a way to pry the admin's grubby hands off the levers of abuse.


A 1 seat majority can do the same thing a 400 seat majority can, with the right discipline.
And if they don't be as ugly as you can in outing the traitor, cut all funding and expel him from the caucus and perhaps even congress. They certainly had no trouble expelling an actually representative congressman from NY earlier this year.


Pelosi did it.
If that witch can, anyone can.
People vote for those willing to stand up. That's how Trump became president. He fucking stood up and mocked his attackers for 18 months.

So nothing. You present no serious proposals. Just empty platitudes of vague suggestions of things. You just waffle on the same things with no specifics.

 

[mlanguishi]

What. Do you think. Congress can actually -do- here? Do you even vaguely understand what power is? That not having it is bad. Do you even have a sense that there is a literal one seat majority in the house and the democrats are the ones who control the Senate and Presidency?

You seem to blithly ignore the fact that there is nothing a one majority seat in the house -can- do, besides making all those things you mention legal.

That guy /ignored me early on, maybe not anymore. But.. It would take a rescinding of the senate rules for Filibuster to truly mess things up. That could happen with a 50/50 tie break with Harris but that would unleash a massive backlash as well.

In theory a 50/50 Drm senate could undo the filibuster, then they could pack the USSC with whatever justices needed, which would anoint Biden and the Democrat party as permapower.

 

[dustbuster]

So nothing.

Oh come on.
This discussion was an interesting contention between caution and ambition and here you go straight-up lying to EVERYONE's face.
Get it together, man.

Jack Smith can't prosecute Trump if he's too hungry because his salary is $0 so McDonalds is out of reach.
The beauty of the power of the purse is the house doesn't have to do anything for ALL spending to eventually stop. That's why it's power, not suggestion.

 

[Gehenna]

Oh come on.
This discussion was an interesting contention between caution and ambition and here you go straight-up lying to EVERYONE's face.
Get it together, man.

Your only halfway actual proposal was to cut the purse strings of agencies. Leaving aside that this would require the RINOs to agree so -is not happening-... that was it. That was all you proposed. You simultaneously say we must purge the RINOs... then assume the RINOs will vote for anything that would actually help.

You talk out both sides of your mouth then waffle on about nothing as if it was a proposal. So yes, nothing. You propose nothing.

 

[dustbuster]

Your only halfway actual proposal was to cut the purse strings of agencies. Leaving aside that this would require the RINOs to agree so -is not happening-... that was it. That was all you proposed. You simultaneously say we must purge the RINOs... then assume the RINOs will vote for anything that would actually help.

You talk out both sides of your mouth then waffle on about nothing as if it was a proposal. So yes, nothing., You propose nothing.

You're the one talking in circles here.

My suggestion is to actually attempt to do shit.
If the GOP's own caucus starts tripping up that agenda, then it's up to the GOP to impose discipline, even if it means sacrificing a majority to do it, and come back at a later electoral cycle ready to act.

There is nothing inconsistent about that.

Meanwhile you just whine about the immediate-term impact of that, guzzle your blackpills, argue nothing can be done, so nothing should be tried, and we should just roll over and accept Brazilification.

 

[mlanguishi]

You're the one talking in circles here.

I'll just say this, there ain't gonna be no revolution on America either way, but vote as if the USSC court matters. That's always the key. You want more Jacksons and Sotomayor going nuts for trannies, ok. Thomas probably isn't going to last more than another term, he's not 'KEY' but he's the best the right has and vote that way. Make sense, vote, and don't be stupid people.

 

[dustbuster]

there ain't gonna be no revolution on America

No revolution is needed, just a bit more courage from the Gaetzes of the world, and more muscle from Trump's family running the RNC.
They need to be willing to put their foot down, even if it means accepting serious retreats before they can march forward with cohesion.

You don't get "Seal Team 6" without training and discipline.
You don't learn to ride a bike without at least one scraped knee.