Business Big Tech Layoffs Megathread - Techbros... we got too cocky...

Since my previous thread kinda-sorta turned into a soft megathread, and the tech layoffs will continue until morale improves, I think it's better to group them all together.

For those who want a QRD:


Just this week we've had these going on:

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But it's not just Big Tech, the vidya industry is also cleaning house bigly:

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All in all, rough seas ahead for the techbros.
 
I walked into an interview once and they offered me a beer.

I think they were joking, but they did have a keg in the office.

I worked at a small satellite office for a tech/tech-adjacent company and we'd take potential hires out for lunch at the nearby bar/pub/whatever after the morning technical interview portions. We'd all order drinks with our food (except for one dude who would get a coke since he didn't drink and none of us cared either wa) and then wait to see how the candidate reacted. As long as he wasn't a total weirdo about it and shooting us dirty looks or slamming down four drinks before the food came, then we didn't bat an eye. It was more of a way to assess social skills after making sure the tech skills were there since we'd have to work with the candidate a few days per week in the office and have the occasional on-site visit at a client's.

Again, we were all 30+ at the time, so I could see a kid fresh out of school not being sure how to act when offered a drink at lunch with a potential employer, but if you're that old and you don't know how to read a room, welp....
 
I worked at a small satellite office for a tech/tech-adjacent company and we'd take potential hires out for lunch at the nearby bar/pub/whatever after the morning technical interview portions. We'd all order drinks with our food (except for one dude who would get a coke since he didn't drink and none of us cared either wa) and then wait to see how the candidate reacted. As long as he wasn't a total weirdo about it and shooting us dirty looks or slamming down four drinks before the food came, then we didn't bat an eye. It was more of a way to assess social skills after making sure the tech skills were there since we'd have to work with the candidate a few days per week in the office and have the occasional on-site visit at a client's.

Again, we were all 30+ at the time, so I could see a kid fresh out of school not being sure how to act when offered a drink at lunch with a potential employer, but if you're that old and you don't know how to read a room, welp....
I had an employer that did similar, but at the bar after dinner as part of a multi-day interview process. We had a couple candidates who hit on our female HR employees. Those people didn't get hired.

If you failed to make it to breakfast the next day you also didn't get hired.

I realize now that inviting our HR staff to dinner and the bar where they could possibly be harassed probably wouldn't be allowed these days since there was a real possibility of it occurring.
 
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I had an employer that did similar, but at the bar after dinner as part of a multi-day interview process. We had a couple candidates who hit on our female HR employees. Those people didn't get hired.

If you failed to make it to breakfast the next day you also didn't get hired.

I realize now that inviting our HR staff to dinner and the bar where they could possibly be harassed probably wouldn't be allowed these days since it was a real possibility of it occurring.

Yeah. If you can't avoid being a shitbag when you should be minding your manners, what sort of dumb shit are you going to pull at the next conference we send you to? Just be normal ffs, it's not a lot to ask.
 
I'm seriously looking at going to night school for something like machining because I'm so fucking sick of pajeets. I'm so God damn sick of trying to understand their atrocious fucking accents over the phone. I'm fucking sick of them not being able to fix issues they absolutely should know how to fix. I can't even mask the contempt in my voice any longer and it's only going to get worse. They fucking ruined tech forever.

Also, in regards to those IBM layoffs: they're bullshit. They're just moving all of the jobs to India. During last spring's round, 7k postings went up on the IBM recruiting site shortly after the layoffs were announced. They axed the ENTIRE western IT departments and punted every single job to India.
 
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I walked into an interview once and they offered me a beer.

I think they were joking, but they did have a keg in the office.

Almost every tech focused company I interviewed at had a beer room or something similar. Like the other benefits, it amazes college kids, but quickly loses its novelty. The reason they have beer is just that a lot of them liked to drink beer.
It really fits into the concept of treating you like an adult. You're expected to get your work done. Whether you drink during work or not doesn't really matter if you can produce the results expected of you. That said, most of my coworkers only drank during lunch, team parties, or during the end of the day.
 
It really fits into the concept of treating you like an adult. You're expected to get your work done. Whether you drink during work or not doesn't really matter if you can produce the results expected of you. That said, most of my coworkers only drank during lunch, team parties, or during the end of the day.
Will second this. The sheer number of coworkers I've got with 40s in their desk or four packs of tallboys hanging out in plain sight would make some new grads and interns blush. Some days are rough, sometimes to need to slam a shot or two with everyone to commiserate working through a major incident or celebrate a successful release - it's about being an adult and handling your professional responsibilities. If it requires some booze (in moderation) to streamline the process no one will bat an eye.
 
let's be real... it's a fucking dating app ran by women (because they, aside from troons and SJWs are the only ones that give a shit about "Personal Pronouns") that outsources their support to third worlders like every company these days. They don't need 1000+ people running it.

It's not even a good dating app either. Out of all the ones I've used (and trust me, I've used almost all of them at this point), it's the ONLY one where I've never gotten a message from any of the women there.

Minus the spyware looking ones, obviously.

I'm talking about the well known ones... Match, eHarmony, POF, OKCupid, Hinge, etc...

Match group (Match.com guys) run 95% of English language dating apps. The only ones the NA they don't run are Islamic ones or specific ethnic ones (and the ethnic ones will sell out eventually, once their founders have had their full of the 10/10s they force the app to match them with)

That's why all dating apps have essentially the exact same monetization options and they cripple free users (men) the same way no matter what.

Not really a layoff, but tangentially related.

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Lol, he'll get found out eventually and when it happens he's dead in the industry. Reading the comments he stopped giving a shit about 2 years ago and his skills are starting to atrophy.

The YouTube Music folks who were laid off recently had a rather embarrassing moment. Turns out two of them were at an Austin City Council meeting to air their grievances there, and found out mid-rant that they'd just been laid off. Whoops:

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Think about it; this guy getting commendations and pats on the back for 4hrs of work... How shit of a job must the pajeets and DEIs be doing, if a white man putting together a monthly pull request is a dream employee?

Well he lasts about 4-6 months it seems


Google got fat, lazy, and troon filled. James Damore hit the nail on the head.

this has come up in other news articles before, but what the fuck is wrong with everyone's faces, body types, hair styles, etc? in that video clip of the protestors every person is some ugly, misshapen monster creature. that woman who told the guy that they were just laid off is so unattractive, she's like that Pat character from SNL. what's happening with zoomers/younger millenials?

i also kind of wonder if the fact that the woman seems to be wearing pajama bottoms to a city council meeting is some way connected to why those people don't have jobs anymore

She's just fat. So many people, a solid 40%, are clinically obese or morbidly obese. Another 20-30% are overweight. That girl would look nice if she was 50lbs lighter.

Fatties are usually ugly.

Remember, the Adams are autistic speds who spend damn near all their waking hours making DF, not engaging with the rest of the industry. They similarly assume that most game developers are like them, not like most of the devs in the industry who manage to spend years achieving basically nothing. Their perception of the value and necessity of layoffs is going to be heavily influenced by this one-two punch of "Hasn't played the trite shit coming out" and "Assumes all devs are enthusiast angels".

They're also troon lovers who will probably troon out before the game hits 1.0.

The main dev literally survived off e begging and ramen and mountain dev for over a decade.

They also baked homosexuality and trannies into DF in recent years as well, and cast a foul glare in the direction of anyone who gives advice on the forums on how to mod that shit back out.

It's worth noting that having homosexuals and trannies in a round of DF can be a significant detriment to the functioning and general health of a fortress. For obvious reasons, they don't reproduce (which can be crippling early on and can negatively impact population growth even in mid-to-late game) but they're also more likely to cause insanity spirals since "wants children" is a trait any dwarf can have but a gay or tranny couple can never reproduce, so such couples wind up less happy and more susceptible to going nuts when other stuff around the fort goes wrong.

The mod to get rid of this dumb shit is so "offensive" to these idiots that it had to be hosted on basedmods.com.

Ahaha yep. They're tranny fellators.

Assuming the leaks are accurate, backwards compatibility is on the table, and the specs are roughly comparable to last-gen consoles. The ones that released in 2013, although with modern advantages in code and possibly functionality, so think closer to late PS4 in capability rather than launch PS4. If leaks about it having DLSS or an equivalent are true, they might eke out more performance.

Considering the Switch is already seven years old, its really not that unrealistic that people upgrade. The early core adopters are probably running those machines right down to the end of their feasible hardware life in regards to batteries and other short life components in the machine. Most people who have a switch either got it so long ago that its not going to be a case of "I have to buy a new one already?", and those who did buy it so late are likely not the main audience in the first place.

The Switch 2 will technically still be cheap, outdated hardware. It is rumored to be probably more PS4 Pro range, likely worse than Steam Deck. It is also rumored to be backwards capable and I highly doubt they would snub that feature in a sequel console as 3DS and Wii U both had it, along with Wii and DS. Switch was the outlier given it used cartridges, and didn't have dual screen.

Nintendo gets by on exclusives and having the Japanese market. Japanese like handhelds and a lot of Japanese companies refuse to move to Steam. If Sony goes under, they will have no competition. As for America, many still refuse to use PC, so Nintendo would have the handheld/console market.

The Wii to Wii U was a unique situation. Nintendo got pretty lazy late Wii and early Wii U, so exclusives were not worth a purchase when it is New Super Mario Bros. Gaming was also centered more heavily in favor of western developers late 7th-early 8th gen given the COD, Creed, and GTA fad. Finally, naming the consoles like an accessory such as Wii U was a terrible marketing strategy, along with rarely showing anything but a tablet which furthered the idea that it was just a tablet accessory.

Switch 2 will be a Switch with 1. A More powerful and efficient SoC. It'll be at least 2 generations newer than the 2019 era Tegra is currently has. 2. Better battery life 3. Slightly better screen 4. More memory

Considering the difference from say a Nvidia GPU from 2019 till Winter 2023 (when the switch 2 specs were probably locked in) it'll be a pretty big upgrade.

>a diminishing brand
>unpopular for over a decade
>switching to even less popular EV.

This is a really good short opportunity over the next 1.5-2 years.
They're ruining their company chasing the political "current thing"

Stellantis is fucked because their profits comes from big trucks and Jeep SUVs on the USA. Jeep and Ram pretty much find the entire house of cards that is Stellantis (aka the "best of the rest" of EU carmakers that VW didn't buy)


We shall see


Certain low skill "tech jobs" can easily be remote as they require almost zero skill so you can target poorer regions of the USA and offer less pay that California.

A lot of them were trying to walk things back slowly, thinking they could boil the frog, but its not working this time. Anecdotally, my work was trying to do the same thing - Going full remote to 2 day hybrid cost them a significant amount of senior talent. Then they announced 3 day hybrid with fixed days, and ended up walking it back a few days later. I can see in the HR systems that there were a lot of inquiries about Constructive Dismissal laws coming in, laws here mean the employer can't unilaterally change the contract and then consider it a for cause dismissal if you refuse. Judging by the ticket volume, enough people were actively making it known that it'd have probably been a registered and notified mass layoff just to deal with the people who refused.

This isn't the tech sector, just IT inside a normal org, but its telling that they can't retain these people in the economic climate we got.

Meanwhile every job posting I've seen in the past year is 2-3 days in office minimum. Banks/financial institutions are back in person 4-5 days already.


Purely on paper, you can totally retrain a willing developer or BA into a fab worker, but in practice you're also asking them to take a significant paycut and lifestyle cut. Fab workers are paid pretty damned well, but nowhere close to silicon valley levels. Similarly, the Fab simply cannot accommodate the sort of flexibility office workers are used to. Hell, if you want a fab job, you basically got to quit smoking - It'll take you a half hour just to go through the suit down, smoke, suit up process. They won't have to contrive a reason to dismiss you, your performance will tank. Work from home, four weeks paid vacation plus no questions asked flex days are just as easily out the fucking window. Its nearly inconceivable that any significant numbers of people will give all that up unless they have a literal gun to the back of their heads

Yep, most useless code monkeys would not last long on a fab.

Even in Taiwan, TSMC treats fab workers like utter shit.

That’s a reality that laid off Silicon Valley/FAANG workers are going to have to get used to regardless even if they stay in the same industry. Their salaries were grossly overinflated and not sustainable in a real economy. Most of them will be lucky to find a new job that pays them even 80% of what they made before.

Yep. If they don't take a job they'll be replaced by new grads or get offshored.

Sure the foreigner is only half as good but he/she only costs 1/3 as much.
 
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Watch this video, about Devin. This guy does a great analysis on breaking down the demo video that they had put out.


As always, PMs don't know what the fuck they're talking about, and AI really isn't gonna "take our jeerbs" any time soon, and certainly not some meme "AI software dev" like Devin.
 
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Anyone wearing that kind of earpiece headset thing, idk even what you call it, is a huge faggot.

And I think AI is basically the latest iteration of self-driving cars or blockchain back in Pog form.
I’m on a project using machine learning to replace a lot of manual functions in the firm I work for. It just keeps getting smarter too.

I really wouldn’t disregard it.
 
Anyone wearing that kind of earpiece headset thing, idk even what you call it, is a huge faggot.
Just a stage mic, you usually don't even get a choice as to what you get, its whatever the sound guys set up and tape to the back of yer neck.

I’m on a project using machine learning to replace a lot of manual functions in the firm I work for. It just keeps getting smarter too.

I really wouldn’t disregard it.
People tend to be really all or nothing about AI, and both sides are wrong - AI is not a nothingburger meme that'll fade away. But AI is also not going to replace most workers in any space. What it is going to do is become a mandatory tool for a lot of workers to become familiar and comfortable with, like email. AI is getting smarter, but it still needs to be constantly tard wrangled and double checked. But in return, its like giving every single person a handful of dedicated juniors in their space with weaponized autism, it can do a lot of shit for you. Anyone who can integrate some of that power into their workflow is going to have a leg up even if it can't do shit completely on its own.
 
People tend to be really all or nothing about AI, and both sides are wrong - AI is not a nothingburger meme that'll fade away. But AI is also not going to replace most workers in any space. What it is going to do is become a mandatory tool for a lot of workers to become familiar and comfortable with, like email. AI is getting smarter, but it still needs to be constantly tard wrangled and double checked. But in return, its like giving every single person a handful of dedicated juniors in their space with weaponized autism, it can do a lot of shit for you. Anyone who can integrate some of that power into their workflow is going to have a leg up even if it can't do shit completely on its own.
The ultimate truth of using AI that makes it both powerful and useless is that you have to be smart enough to know when the AI is lying/making a mistake. Yeah it works great as a enhancer but unless you can spot when its bullshitting you by using wrong information its more annoying then its worth. So only the high speed people can use AI to there advantage while the high drag (Indians) will only use to fuck up more things.

The worst part of AI right now is that is removing junior level position so new people are not given the time to actually learn and developer under good senior leadership.
 
The ultimate truth of using AI that makes it both powerful and useless is that you have to be smart enough to know when the AI is lying/making a mistake. Yeah it works great as a enhancer but unless you can spot when its bullshitting you by using wrong information its more annoying then its worth. So only the high speed people can use AI to there advantage while the high drag (Indians) will only use to fuck up more things.

The worst part of AI right now is that is removing junior level position so new people are not given the time to actually learn and developer under good senior leadership.
Absolutely spot on.

If you are using any of the AIs out right now to assist in coding something for example. They fuck up constantly and write pseudocode that not only doesn't even remotely have the right syntax but is also logically incorrect. This gets exponentially worse the more complex the questions you pose to it are. They do this even when they are supposedly reading the language you are writing it. Like say you're coding java and ask it to show you X, it writes weird ass java pseudocode and references non-existent libraries then applies them incorrectly anyway.

But you wouldn't recognize this unless you have enough programming experience to actually understand how wrong it is, and then try to adjust it. Bet your ass dumbasses just copy and paste it into the IDE then wonder why it doesn't work.

It can spit out low level code correctly to well traversed problems though. No doubt about that.
 
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I’m on a project using machine learning to replace a lot of manual functions in the firm I work for. It just keeps getting smarter too.

I really wouldn’t disregard it.
But is that even needed?
isnt just a more sane structure and more software integration cheaper.
also outsourcing, you can hire a whole town in india for the cost of an HR department...
 
But is that even needed?
isnt just a more sane structure and more software integration cheaper.
also outsourcing, you can hire a whole town in india for the cost of an HR department...
Unfortunately for many, the use case is fairly sound. Using "Sane" and "More Software Integration" in the same sentence is already a stretch - Half the systems I work with cannot even handle writing accurate REST API documentation, much less actually sanely handling system integrations. We've unironically regressed on some of those services to using a web bot to scrape the user interface for data because its that bad.

Similarly, its nearly a universal that anything written by those outsourced pajeets is going to be shit. And in the current business climate, outsourcing is actually being looked at with a critical eye. The normal cycle is they make something that works right this second, that is unmaintainable and unfit for purpose going forward, and when it shits the bed they just offer you another expensive purchase order to build/fix a new solution with the same fundamental problems. But now a lot of the last wave of these that were stood up in the Covid era are coming due for "This is awful we need to replace it" at the same time that the wider corporate world is obsessed with near/onshoring a lot of stuff as overseas is being seen as a liability, and at the same time they're being asked to cut costs. The Pajeets shot themselves in the foot with this and nobody wants to pay them to do it again for a change.

Meanwhile, AI offers the tantalizing potential of pajeet level costs, with reduced headcount and being able to call it onshoring. It doesn't need to be perfect and it doesn't need to be particularly independent, what it needs to do is replace 10 shitass overseas contractors with one overpriced contractor living locally on a work visa, because that one guys still cheaper than ten foreign guys, you can tell your leaders/shareholders/whoevers making the call that its more reliable, local and replaceable as an onshoring initiative, and you also get to burnish your personal reputation with a successful AI project when AI is looking like the future to many - Having early adopter experience to then leverage into highly paid work in new firms would be insanely valuable to the individuals making the decisions.

And personally, I'll take the AI over pajeets any day. I've never had an AI open a log file and delete most of the contents because "They didn't look important" before sending it over to try and hide prior retarded actions he took.
 
Meanwhile, AI offers the tantalizing potential of pajeet level costs, with reduced headcount and being able to call it onshoring. It doesn't need to be perfect and it doesn't need to be particularly independent, what it needs to do is replace 10 shitass overseas contractors with one overpriced contractor living locally on a work visa, because that one guys still cheaper than ten foreign guys, you can tell your leaders/shareholders/whoevers making the call that its more reliable, local and replaceable as an onshoring initiative, and you also get to burnish your personal reputation with a successful AI project when AI is looking like the future to many - Having early adopter experience to then leverage into highly paid work in new firms would be insanely valuable to the individuals making the decisions.
So that’s why the pajeets are going into AI development.
 
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