Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association (SFWA) - Nerds protecting nonces

At least you get to enjoy Roadside Picnic. Great book.
It's the first novel I've read by Soviet authors. I'm interested to see how they got it past the censors.

Is that why it takes place somewhere in the US? I have to keep reminding myself of that; I still associate it with S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
 
It's the first novel I've read by Soviet authors. I'm interested to see how they got it past the censors.

Is that why it takes place somewhere in the US? I have to keep reminding myself of that; I still associate it with S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
There were quite a few critiques of Soviet society that got through with 'no, comrade, it is about how dehumanizing Capitalist Imperialism is'.
 
There were quite a few critiques of Soviet society that got through with 'no, comrade, it is about how dehumanizing Capitalist Imperialism is'.
That's more or less how it was and has been sold in the West, though some literary scholars have recently been arguing that the Strugatskys were actually either neutral or pro-Soviet and that the book should be taken at face value as a critique of the capitalist system. If you read Boris' afterword to one of the more recent editions, he talks about how nothing in the book was explicitly anti-Soviet and the main trouble they had with the censors was their choice of language; the apparatchiks kept smoothing out the vulgarity and sexual content of the original manuscript because they thought it was inappropriate:

"They, those quintessential “bloody fools,” actually did think this way: that language must be as colorless, smooth, and glossy as possible and certainly shouldn’t be at all coarse; that science fiction necessarily has to be fantastic and on no account should have anything to do with crude, observable, and brutal reality; that the reader must in general be protected from reality — let him live by daydreams, reveries, and beautiful incorporeal ideas."

I still think it's possible to read it as a deeply encoded anti-Soviet tract, but it's equally possible to say "yeah, they didn't think much of us decadent Western capitalist pig-dogs very much either."
 
It's the first novel I've read by Soviet authors. I'm interested to see how they got it past the censors.

Is that why it takes place somewhere in the US? I have to keep reminding myself of that; I still associate it with S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
It doesn’t even take place in the US, merely a nondescript Continental European country that speaks English.

And they didn’t get it past the censors. They were constantly running into left wing Puritanism where simply having a concept, even if it was portrayed unfavorably in the media’s context, is advocating for that concept.
 
It doesn’t even take place in the US, merely a nondescript Continental European country that speaks English.
I could be wrong, but whenever Europe is mentioned, they speak as if they don't live there. I also thought I saw something saying it is in the US.
And they didn’t get it past the censors. They were constantly running into left wing Puritanism where simply having a concept, even if it was portrayed unfavorably in the media’s context, is advocating for that concept.
I meant they were eventually allowed to publish it, after the censors had had their way with it.

ETA: some people think it's in Canada. It mentions the Royal Armoured Corps, and a wrecked helicopter in the Zone is described as having RAF markings.
 
Last edited:
I could be wrong, but whenever Europe is mentioned, they speak as if they don't live there. I also thought I saw something saying it is in the US.

I meant they were eventually allowed to publish it, after the censors had had their way with it.

ETA: some people think it's in Canada. It mentions the Royal Armoured Corps, and a wrecked helicopter in the Zone is described as having RAF markings.
There's an old Q&A floating around on the internet somewhere where it's indicated that the Strugatskys intended the novel's setting to be a former British colony, either Canada or Australia. From what I've seen, most people online assume it's in Canada.
 
Slightly off-topic but is there a similar list of pedophile authors to avoid in the Sword & Sorcery genre? I've recently picked it up again but all I know is that I need to avoid anything even tenuously related to Marion Zimmerman Bradely. I wouldn't think stories of physically fit men cutting their way through hordes of literal sub-humans would have a bad infestation of libshits like other genres, but then again no one expected the creator of the Sword and Sorceress anthologies to rape her own daughter.
 
Slightly off-topic but is there a similar list of pedophile authors to avoid in the Sword & Sorcery genre? I've recently picked it up again but all I know is that I need to avoid anything even tenuously related to Marion Zimmerman Bradely. I wouldn't think stories of physically fit men cutting their way through hordes of literal sub-humans would have a bad infestation of libshits like other genres, but then again no one expected the creator of the Sword and Sorceress anthologies to rape her own daughter.
Can't help with that list, But Larry Correia's Son of the Black Sword is a really good read. And the guy's politics are such that anyone covering for Bradley would want him strung up if he did a rolling stop at a red light, so nobody would if he ever did get up to that kind of crap.
 
Can't help with that list, But Larry Correia's Son of the Black Sword is a really good read. And the guy's politics are such that anyone covering for Bradley would want him strung up if he did a rolling stop at a red light, so nobody would if he ever did get up to that kind of crap.
Seconded. Also he hasn't let his politics get in the way of the story or anything so far as I've read.
 
Slightly off-topic but is there a similar list of pedophile authors to avoid in the Sword & Sorcery genre? I've recently picked it up again but all I know is that I need to avoid anything even tenuously related to Marion Zimmerman Bradely. I wouldn't think stories of physically fit men cutting their way through hordes of literal sub-humans would have a bad infestation of libshits like other genres, but then again no one expected the creator of the Sword and Sorceress anthologies to rape her own daughter.
David & Leigh Eddings actually went to prison for child abuse, but beyond them and as you mentioned MZB I'm not really aware of any Arthur C. Clarke types.



Early career and child abuse conviction​

After earning his Master's, Eddings worked as a purchaser for Boeing, where he met his future wife, then known as Judith Leigh Schall.[6] They married in 1962, she taking the name Leigh Eddings, and through most of the 1960s, Eddings worked as an assistant professor at Black Hills State College in South Dakota.

They adopted one boy in 1966, Scott David, then two months old.[9][10] They adopted a younger girl between 1966 and 1969.[10] In 1970 the couple lost custody of both children and were each sentenced to a year in jail in separate trials after pleading guilty to 11 counts of physical child abuse.[11] Though the nature of the abuse, the trial, and the sentencing were all extensively reported in South Dakota newspapers at the time, these details did not resurface in media coverage of the couple during their successful joint career as authors, only returning to public attention several years after both had died.

After both served their sentences, David and Leigh Eddings moved to Denver in 1971, where David found work in a grocery store.[citation needed]
Somewhere I read claims they were locking the children in cages and starving them, though that isn't mentioned in the Wikipedia piece.

Anything Fantasy related written by a woman under 30, maybe 40 at this point, is pretty much guaranteed to be trash, but I guess that's a different topic. Which is weird because I personally quite like both Katherine Kurtz and Patricia A. McKillip as Fantasy authors, so it isn't women authors I hate, it is apparently Millenial and Gen Z women authors.

Can't help with that list, But Larry Correia's Son of the Black Sword is a really good read. And the guy's politics are such that anyone covering for Bradley would want him strung up if he did a rolling stop at a red light, so nobody would if he ever did get up to that kind of crap.
Things seemed to be unraveling a bit in the last book, but it still remains my second favorite Fantasy series started this century, beaten only by the First Law books.
 
Of course, the irony of it all is, when the film was released, the media splashed about the idea that the film was made by neo-nazis. That pretty much killed the film dead at the box office.
Just going to volunteer this bit of info: the film did not bomb because of the politics or satire. No one, fucking NO ONE, got that it was a joke. Maybe a handful of big brain armchair critics are the only ones who got the joke. But no, the film didn't bomb because of that. It bombed because it was a crowded box office year and word of mouth was not great. We didn't get the joke at the time.
 
Last edited:
Yeah, I think it was about 2010-2012 where you first started to see people online take the idea of Starship Troopers being satire seriously. You can even go back and read a bunch of reviews from 1997 to see what people thought at the time. The reviewers of the day throw around words like "camp", "funny", etc. Some reviewers think it's a b-movie "send-up." Maybe some say something like that Robocop had satire but don't mention anything about Verhoeven doing the same with Starship Troopers. More than a few take the movie entirely on face value and say that Verhoeven's future seems fun and cool and sexy. A lot of reviews call it a fun, mindless action film (sometimes positively, but mostly negative.)

The only review of the time that I can recall actually flat out saying that the film is satire and pointing out the how of it was, unsurprisingly, Roger Ebert.
 
Just going to volunteer this bit of info: the film did not bomb because of the politics or satire. No one, fucking NO ONE, got that it was a joke. Maybe a handful of big brain armchair critics are the only ones who got the joke. But no, the film didn't bomb because of that. It bombed because it was a crowded box office year and word of mouth was not great. We didn't get the joe at the time.
I saw it in the theater, and if you hadn't gotten the joke by the time Doogie Houser appeared in a black leather SS coat, you did then.
 
Starship Troopers worked well as an Action Sci-Fi film because it had everything young men like: guns, aliens, babes, sport, military stuff, heroic characters, Dina Meyer's tits, spaceships and graphic violence. I loved it. Modern film writers could learn well from it.

Anything Fantasy related written by a woman under 30, maybe 40 at this point, is pretty much guaranteed to be trash, but I guess that's a different topic. Which is weird because I personally quite like both Katherine Kurtz and Patricia A. McKillip as Fantasy authors, so it isn't women authors I hate, it is apparently Millenial and Gen Z women authors.
This is so accurate. I rarely read any fiction by authoresses but having said that, one of my favourite series is the Empire Trilogy, by Janny Wurts and Raymond E. Feist. Very obviously inspired by Mariko Akechi of Shogun, amongst others.
Also, the old Dragonlance novels by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman were pretty good.
 
There were quite a few critiques of Soviet society that got through with 'no, comrade, it is about how dehumanizing Capitalist Imperialism is'.
***** American alternate history versus the Chad rushing alternate history what confederate Adolf Hitler versus communist Abraham Lincoln how about comrade Adolf Hitler
emperor Joseph Stalin I really wish more of these were translated into English they are insanely fondue
 

Attachments

  • 5b7442f085600a4fa708e828.jpg
    5b7442f085600a4fa708e828.jpg
    464.7 KB · Views: 51
  • 5mzn1q4ykdka1.jpg
    5mzn1q4ykdka1.jpg
    44.8 KB · Views: 51
  • 1637-the-volga-rules-9781481484077_hr.jpg
    1637-the-volga-rules-9781481484077_hr.jpg
    325.1 KB · Views: 53
  • {BCCDD6B9-180D-48B6-BEE8-C223EC6496D0}Img100.jpg
    {BCCDD6B9-180D-48B6-BEE8-C223EC6496D0}Img100.jpg
    64 KB · Views: 53
  • 59520325.jpg
    59520325.jpg
    438.1 KB · Views: 47
  • FU-R6IFXwAAQaMi.png
    FU-R6IFXwAAQaMi.png
    415.4 KB · Views: 47
  • 2ueeyrq1io691.png
    2ueeyrq1io691.png
    365.7 KB · Views: 47
  • 5b7442f085600a4fa708e828.jpg
    5b7442f085600a4fa708e828.jpg
    464.7 KB · Views: 50
***** American alternate history versus the Chad rushing alternate history what confederate Adolf Hitler versus communist Abraham Lincoln how about comrade Adolf Hitler
emperor Joseph Stalin I really wish more of these were translated into English they are insanely fondue
I mean that that shit is top kek but, y'know, topic... But I guess we haven't had any SFWA news in a while.

Speaking of which anything come of the Worldcon insanity?
Also, the old Dragonlance novels by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman were pretty good.
I've always loved these and I'm terrified of rereading them.
 
  • Thunk-Provoking
Reactions: PhoBingas
I mean that that shit is top kek but, y'know, topic... But I guess we haven't had any SFWA news in a while.

Speaking of which anything come of the Worldcon insanity?

I've always loved these and I'm terrified of rereading them.
Sorry I don't know where else to post it but a lot of the 90s fantasy after you reread it it's kinda trash except the gorka novels I will never stop finding those novels hilarious because people in the 90s just did not care about who they offended
 
  • Thunk-Provoking
Reactions: PhoBingas
Back