David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

[FagDiddler]

That's been very common take among obsessed bongistanis and yuropoors on /k/ and other places for a long time. And seems to be exactly the sort of thing the Pigger would smugly proclaim given his commie proclivities.

Yeah but that would require him to say something nice about Russians. And he could never do that.

 

[The Grognard]

Brits shouldn't talk down to American involvement.
While they were struggling against teenagers in Caen, the US Army was storming Cherbourg.

You also have to remember, they were facing Panzer-Lehr and 12th SS. They weren't exactly dealing with second-rate divisions meant for garrison duty.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

To the defense of the pig, I remember he said that USSR would not have been able to win without lend lease.
Ani however, would say shit like that.

If being extremely charitable, USSR might've won without American Lend-Lease but the cost in lives doing so will have been even more astronomical. Without any Lend-Lease at all USSR would've been so utterly fucking dead.

That is common because they really don't want to admit they owe America literally everything they have today. Our men died on foreign shores for their country, and they can't help but mewl about how cool their one dinky destroyer was in this one battle where battleships were slugging it out and honestly it didn't help much at all.

The Britfags been assblasted during WWI the United States military refused to place American soldiers and marines under English command. Because the U.S. leadership knew the English were going to use Americans as disposable cannon fodder like they did with their own men and commonwealth subjects.
Then there's England again fucking with United States maritime trade by blockading the Central Powers and directly fucking with Americans merchant ships. As the United States was neutral and was trading with both sides as long as they had hard currency and valuables to pay with.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Calling the STG 44 comical bad is just dumb.
As others have said, it was the first assault rifle that was produced in large numbers (other countries prototypes doesn’t count) and it being made in WWII will give it some questionable design decisions.

Calling it overrated I can give, but saying it is was bad, is just dishonest.

It performed perfectly fine in tests and exceeded the German military commands expectations laser pig does not know what he's talking about when it comes to firearms just like he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to history or geopolitics he's a fat homosexual stop taking him seriously

 

[WelperHelper99]

The Britfags been assblasted during WWI the United States military refused to place American soldiers and marines under English command. Because the U.S. leadership knew the English were going to use Americans as disposable cannon fodder like they did with their own men and commonwealth subjects.
Then there's England again fucking with United States maritime trade by blockading the Central Powers and directly fucking with Americans merchant ships. As the United States was neutral and was trading with both sides as long as they had hard currency and valuables to pay with.

I've heard some bongs gloat they had higher casualty numbers. Like retards, that means your generals were niggers, no wonder we didn't want you to lead us.

 

[MyBallsItch]

If being extremely charitable, USSR might've won without American Lend-Lease but the cost in lives doing so will have been even more astronomical. Without any Lend-Lease at all USSR would've been so utterly fucking dead.

Former members of the USSR are dealing with an absolutely awful demographic collapse in great part due to the war that happened. Now imagine the war that could've happened if the US didn't give them a fuckton of stuff to give their men a fighting chance.

Hell, one of the main products supplied to the USSR was the Studebaker US6, which considering that the competing GMC CCKW was accepted into US service, was almost entirely made for the Soviet Union. It was so good that I've read about how by 1944, the domestically produced ZIS-5 was relegated to a reserve role in favor of the US6 AND the Soviet trucks produced after the war (namely, the GAZ-51) were all based upon the US6 instead of the ZIS-5.

Supply trucks are greatly overlooked in favor of tanks, which is why the usual commie bullshit I hear is "hurr-durr, 50 thousand T-34s with only a few thousand Shermans in Soviet service" whenever they try to downplay the importance of Lend-Lease. But supply trucks are the backbone of logistics in modern warfare and, as Stalin's letter to Studebaker showed, the trucks themselves are the lifeblood of logistics, which the Soviets knew as well. They didn't need more tanks per se, they had enough of that - they needed reliable, capable trucks that could get men and supplies from point A to point B.

Even rabid America (and general Anglo, in this case) hater Frenchie faggot Charles de Gaulle was verbally pimp slapped when he demanded the withdrawal of US troops from France and was met with the famous "including those in your cemeteries?" retort. Like nigga, your ass was given a cozy radio showhost booth in London, your army was given a fuckton of Shermans and small arms, American soldiers died in the thousands so your frog-eating ass could march into Paris after Uncle Sam already did the heavy lifting for you, the fuck you hatin on Anglos for?

The Soviets themselves (trust me, my grandparents heard some wild propaganda back in the Eastern Bloc) didn't hate the US nearly as much as these "Lend-Lease didn't matter" cunts. If anything, they feared Uncle Sam, since they knew how capable America was: they've seen it bodyslam the Imperial Japanese Navy, bomb the ever-loving shit out of Germany, annihilate Hiroshima and Nagasaki with never before seen weapons while supplying half the world with equipment, from China to the UK. Not in some Soviet-style "here are outdated, beat-up T-34s we had in stockpile lmao" way, but giving proper, up-to-date stuff like M18 Hellcats to China during the war.

 

[JJLiautaud]

What could be more KF milsperg appropriate than Lawyers, Guns and Money?

The my nominee for official music video of this thread.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

I've heard some bongs gloat they had higher casualty numbers. Like retards, that means your generals were niggers, no wonder we didn't want you to lead us.

Granted, information was slow to come to and from the front but it doesn't take a genius to realize "Hey, maybe we should change up our tactics a bit and see if that works."

It performed perfectly fine in tests and exceeded the German military commands expectations laser pig does not know what he's talking about when it comes to firearms just like he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to history or geopolitics he's a fat homosexual stop taking him seriously

Britbongs and ignorance of firearms, name a more compelling match in the world.

Supply trucks are greatly overlooked in favor of tanks, which is why the usual commie bullshit I hear is "hurr-durr, 50 thousand T-34s with only a few thousand Shermans in Soviet service" whenever they try to downplay the importance of Lend-Lease. But supply trucks are the backbone of logistics in modern warfare and, as Stalin's letter to Studebaker showed, the trucks themselves are the lifeblood of logistics, which the Soviets knew as well. They didn't need more tanks per se, they had enough of that - they needed reliable, capable trucks that could get men and supplies from point A to point B.

My old engineering professor who's also a milsperg himself said that "Men might fight wars, but logistics win them." A lot of WW2 buffs seem to overlook how important logistics were during the war.

Even rabid America (and general Anglo, in this case) hater Frenchie faggot Charles de Gaulle was verbally pimp slapped when he demanded the withdrawal of US troops from France and was met with the famous "including those in your cemeteries?" retort. Like nigga, your ass was given a cozy radio showhost booth in London, your army was given a fuckton of Shermans and small arms, American soldiers died in the thousand so your frog-eating ass could march into Paris after Uncle Sam already did the heavy lifting for you, the fuck you hatin on Anglos for?

He's French, they've hated the Anglos for over 600 years.

 

[Sog Dog]

It performed perfectly fine in tests and exceeded the German military commands expectations laser pig does not know what he's talking about when it comes to firearms just like he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to history or geopolitics he's a fat homosexual stop taking him seriously

The StG-44 was the design the krautoids had which was ready to go when they were ready to adopt it, but it had some serious flaws, the primary one being long-term durability. Which wasn't an issue for them at the time, since they were losing the war and the life expectancy of a soldier on the eastern front was too short for the long-term durability of his rifle to matter much, but it was also overly complex and iirc the stampings had a high reject rate which made it expensive to produce.

So it's very far from a perfect gun, and there are very good reasons why it was not adopted or adapted/copied by any country post-war (with the exception of one or two tiny shitholes that made use of surplus german ones they inherited) despite the fact that all the Allies tested captured examples extensively. Meanwhile the Gerät 06(h) was adapted into the CETME and then the G3 family which were highly successful, and had the Germans been able to hold out longer, they probably would have replaced the StG-44 with a G06(h)-based design since it was substantially superior in ways that mattered a lot given the desparation of the German situation, i.e. being simpler, faster, easier, and cheaper to manufacture.

What's important and influential about the StG-44 is the concept and the cartridge, not the mechanical design of the rifle itself. Had the US, and to a much lesser extent the Bongs, not insisted on a bigger, dumber cartridge out of a delusional belief that individual marksmanship at 800+ meters was realistic or desirable, I think there's a very good chance that NATO could have ended up adopting 8x33mm or at least a cartridge heavily derived from it in a rifle like the FAL. Some of the first FAL prototypes were made in 8x33mm afterall. Instead we live in the cursed M14 + .fudd-08 timeline.

 

[The Grognard]

What's important and influential about the StG-44 is the concept and the cartridge, not the mechanical design of the rifle itself. Had the US, and to a much lesser extent the Bongs, not insisted on a bigger, dumber cartridge out of a delusional belief that individual marksmanship at 800+ meters was realistic or desirable, I think there's a very good chance that NATO could have ended up adopting 8x33mm or at least a cartridge heavily derived from it in a rifle like the FAL. Some of the first FAL prototypes were made in 8x33mm afterall. Instead we live in the cursed M14 + .fudd-08 timeline.

The Bongs already had .280 British developed in 1945 aimed at being the next standard universal round. The Americans vetoed it purely because they thought anything below .30 was simply insufficient for killing a man.

 

[Sog Dog]

The Bongs already had .280 British developed in 1945 aimed at being the next standard universal round. The Americans vetoed it purely because they thought anything below .30 was simply insufficient for killing a man.

Spoiler: Cartridge sperging

I'm sorry but that's incorrect. The British intermediate cartridge development program started after the war, was directly influenced by the StG-44 and the 8x33mm cartridge, and the first study recommending the adoption of a sub-.30 caliber cartridge was submitted in 1947. This report actually recommended either a .250cal/6.35mm or .270cal/6.8mm cartridge, but ultimately it was decided to proceed with the .270cal/6.8mm cartridge, and a .280cal/7.2mm cartridge, which became .270 and .280 British. The .270 British was abandoned in 1948, and development on the .280 British continued until 1950.

I said that the Bongs got in the way "to a much lesser extent" for a reason, in that they were interested in the concept of an intermediate cartridge and were less wrongheaded than the US, which basically stuck its feet in the sand and refused to accept standardization of any cartridge which was not ballistically equivalent to .30-06. However the .270 and .280 British cartridges, and certainly the final .280/30 cartridge they proposed as a compromise, were not true intermediates.

The British and Americans both wanted a universal cartridge that would be used in both service rifles and machineguns, and they wanted a service rifle that could fill the submachinegun role. The problem is that a machinegun actually does benefit from a more powerful, longer-range cartridge, and in fact requires one to be effective in many of its roles. The British were willing to accept worse performance in the machinegun role in return for better performance in the submachinegun/service rifle role. The Americans were unwilling to compromise at all and also thought that the service rifle needed to be able to kill a bear in one shot at 800 yards because muh Alvin York muh eVerY MuHRiNE a RiFLeMan autism.

They were both wrong, but for different reasons. The .280 British would have been an awkward middle ground and the worst of both worlds; too bulky, heavy, and powerful to be a good service rifle/submachinegun replacement cartridge, but not powerful enough for the machinegun and DMR/sniper role. U.S. BuOrd were just flat out retarded and the M14 was one of the worst decisions ever made in the history of small arms - seriously, I want to know what they were smoking when they decided it was feasible to replace the M1 Garand, the M1 Carbine, the M3 Grease Gun, AND the BAR all with a single rifle.

Ultimately, by pure accident, we ended up with the correct solution: a full power cartridge (7.62x51mm) for machineguns and precision rifles, and a true intermediate (5.56x45mm) for assault rifles which could actually replace both the service rifle and the submachinegun. I'm not normally one to commend Communists, and I detest the AK's aesthetics and handling, but this is a situation where the Soviets 100% got it right from the get-go (although I would probably have replaced the 7.62x54r with a rimless version) while the West fucked around with nonsense for 20 years for no good reason.

Edit: typos.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

The West (and the East) spent those "20 years of nonsense" hammering away at finding that mythical perfect all-in-one cartridge and came with loads of data proving that perfect all-in-one cartridge simply doesn't exist within the known laws of physics.

 

[Atypical Dog]

For example: A British journo's, Seton-Watson's seething hatred for Hungarians played a huge part in convincing the British delegation to give a lot of land to Czechoslovakia, including almost exclusively Hungarian-inhabited lands simply because they had railway networks. Lloyd George almost called Beneš's bullshit about his "throw shit at the wall and see which sticks" argumentation for Czechoslovakia's borders during the conference, but no one apart from him wanted to revise the Treaty of Trianon. No one imaged that they would lie about the number of Hungarians and Germans within the new borders.

Just like how no one imagined that the Czechs would betray the Slovaks and try to "Czechify" them because the Westerners thought that the Czechoslovak identity was an organic evolution of the two instead of an artificial label used by Masaryk and Beneš. Then, no one imagined that the Slovaks would realize this and would wish for "independence", even if it was simply a German yoke instead of a Czech one. Some Slovaks even said that a "thousand years of Hungarian oppression was preferable to the twenty years under the Czechs".

I get why, we really teach Eastern Europe nearly as much as Western and I guess people assume they're comparable. I myself don't know that much, just enough to grasp the scale of the complexity, but I remember in the early days of the current war someone asking 'If Azov are Nazis why are they funded by two Jews?'. Like.. yeah, that's kinda what goes down. Public perception of being liberated from the Germans has a bit more nuance than the 'good war' on the other side of the Rhine. But I suppose that goes back all the way to the 30s with Americans refusing to see the truth about the USSR due to political convenience. First sympathy for Communism from the progressives then not wanting to muddy up the whole war with the reality of our alliances.

Between these two, Sykes-Picot, and the way African countries are just lines drawn on a map for everyone's convenience, I get the feeling that some kid drawing lines on a map at random would be an acceptable basis for determining the borders of nations.

Dinosaur-shaped countries and cursed bordergore to piss off the hoi players.

Even rabid America (and general Anglo, in this case) hater Frenchie faggot Charles de Gaulle was verbally pimp slapped when he demanded the withdrawal of US troops from France and was met with the famous "including those in your cemeteries?" retort. Like nigga, your ass was given a cozy radio showhost booth in London, your army was given a fuckton of Shermans and small arms, American soldiers died in the thousands so your frog-eating ass could march into Paris after Uncle Sam already did the heavy lifting for you, the fuck you hatin on Anglos for?

Can't blame him too much, he's French. Arrogance, foodie autism, and rioting in the streets are the national sports.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

I haven't seen the take much but I know it exists and I wouldn't be shocked if LaserPig shares it.
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I can't tell if that's Digby being a shit-stirrer or just a bong moment.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

With the comment on Twitter, it sounds like he's releasing a general Ukraine war video. It's possible it's that CR2 video, to show that the UK and Europe sends tanks or some bullshit. I expect it to be released this sunday

Gross. It'll be mindless Ukrainian dick sucking and "muh Russian ORCS"

Britain used to be able to do all this, until the 1-2 punch of Thatcher and Blair made the whole government a useless mess that can't do anything and most certainly won't do anything to fix itself. The French can do all this, even if they ditched conscription when the wall fell. Germany could do all this, but they need a government that is willing to move past from 1992 and more importantly, understand that they need to be more than just a bunch of naïve amerophiles.

The UK was honestly in terminal decline after the 1950s and REALLY got bad during the 1970s.

The French couldn't do all this after they ended conscription and dumped massive amounts of obsolete equipment (ahem AMX-30 in the 1990s)

They were never near their WW2 levels. Not even close. The US actually was. And many of those countries imported shit from the US. Social programs are a blight on the human race.

Yep. The Euros cut the armies to the bone after 1992 and even before that had to use mass conscription and at times loads of outdated equipment to bulk up their militaries.

I give it a 90% chance he spouts that retarded line that "The US involvement in WW2 is greatly over stated" and tries to say that uhm actually it was the British who won the war.

Of course he would. However that might mean he's forced to say something nice about Churchill.

Veracruz.

Jungle work

Former members of the USSR are dealing with an absolutely awful demographic collapse in great part due to the war that happened. Now imagine the war that could've happened if the US didn't give them a fuckton of stuff to give their men a fighting chance.

Hell, one of the main products supplied to the USSR was the Studebaker US6, which considering that the competing GMC CCKW was accepted into US service, was almost entirely made for the Soviet Union. It was so good that I've read about how by 1944, the domestically produced ZIS-5 was relegated to a reserve role in favor of the US6 AND the Soviet trucks produced after the war (namely, the GAZ-51) were all based upon the US6 instead of the ZIS-5.

Supply trucks are greatly overlooked in favor of tanks, which is why the usual commie bullshit I hear is "hurr-durr, 50 thousand T-34s with only a few thousand Shermans in Soviet service" whenever they try to downplay the importance of Lend-Lease.

Indeed. Don't forget the thousands of airplanes, thousands of tanks, MILLIONS of tones of food and Petroleum products, an entire tire factory, and raw materials.

Could the USSR have survived without Lead Lease? Yes but it would have been AWFUL for them.

The West (and the East) spent those "20 years of nonsense" hammering away at finding that mythical perfect all-in-one cartridge and came with loads of data proving that perfect all-in-one cartridge simply doesn't exist within the known laws of physics.

Ugh tell that to the fucking US military at the moment and the 80,000 psi 6.8x51mm round they want to shoot out of 13.5 inch barrels


They legit wanted an "omniround" and ended up with what is basically .300 win mag on terms of energy in a .277 package


I'm still of the opinion that a 5.56mm successor could still exist in the 5.5mm to 6mm space but it would be a rather incremental improvement.

7.62x51 replacement could exist between 7.5mm to 8mm but again, incremental improvement.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Yep. The Euros cut the armies to the bone after 1992 and even before that had to use mass conscription and at times loads of outdated equipment to bulk up their militaries.

You ever hear of the M47 Patton? Quickly superseded by the M48, but Europe used it for DECADES. That was the entire cold war in a nutshell. The bulk was rusty American hand-me-downs with a few shinies on top to be the spear tip.

 

[National Defense Advocate]

A lot of Euros hate the US. They hate that this backwater colony is the most important country in the world and their countries, with thousands of years of history, innovation and bloodshed is largely viewed as a sidekick to the US. The UK has pubs older than this country.

Of course, many also seem like they'd walk into the nearest US base and start blowing the first US Trooper they saw, and that somehow makes me more uncomfortable.

 

[The Foxtrot]

Could the USSR have survived without Lead Lease? Yes but it would have been AWFUL for them.

It would have been a case of Germany might have been decapitated, but the USSR would have been disemboweled. Both countries would be dead, one would just be shambling on a little while longer.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

A lot of Euros hate the US. They hate that this backwater colony is the most important country in the world and their countries, with thousands of years of history, innovation and bloodshed is largely viewed as a sidekick to the US. The UK has pubs older than this country.

A few veterans on the Tanknet.org had posted long time ago, the German military police "guarding" their airports gleefully loved pointing their loaded guns at unarmed American servicemen going through connecting flights.

@Falcos_Commisar

Ugh tell that to the fucking US military at the moment and the 80,000 psi 6.8x51mm round they want to shoot out of 13.5 inch barrels.

It's just the U.S. Army that wants this as the USMC, USAF, USN and USCG had made no moves on adopting this future Darwin Award bait. Even then the only logical "reason" anyone in the Pentagon wants this is they're terrified of the hordes of heavily body armored Americans Chinese and want ammunition they can't pickup and used.
Illogically the Brass at the Pentagon never did got over their battle rifles and cartridges being replaced by a "Mattel toy" and cartridge.

 

[AeroGavin Rossdale]

USMC,

Tbf what the USMC would want and what the USMC can afford are miles apart. They had to trick congress into even getting their new rifles.