David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

Tbf what the USMC would want and what the USMC can afford are miles apart. They had to trick congress into even getting their new rifles.
True and right now it is currently their (and Navy's) turn at being the GAO chew toy at the moment. With their Landing Ship Medium program needing to be redone to military spec instead of the civilian spec it been drawn up in and the ensuing price hike that comes with it. So whatever big budget funding the USMC haves will be largely tied up for a while.

Navy also in the hot seat over their Constellation ship program not being to up U.S. military spec and everything have to be redone to get it to spec.
 
A lot of Euros hate the US. They hate that this backwater colony is the most important country in the world and their countries, with thousands of years of history, innovation and bloodshed is largely viewed as a sidekick to the US. The UK has pubs older than this country.

Of course, many also seem like they'd walk into the nearest US base and start blowing the first US Trooper they saw, and that somehow makes me more uncomfortable.
The dichotomy is absolutely insane. "Get out of my country baka except don't because I want you to fight for me so I can live on 30,000 USD a year and get "free healthcare""

Like you can bitch about American imperialism, but the ENTIRE reason you have it so cozy is that the average American pays for everything and goes without. I've explained this multiple times to many euros. None of them get it, except you know they do because of how badly they fight back. Europe is a crazy GF.
 
Do you know what one of Zelensky's first things was to do after he gained power? Ban minority languages. Ban Russian, ban Hungarian, oh and Romanian and Polish too. He closed Hungarian schools and had the HUNGARIAN kids, whose parents learned RUSSIAN in the USSR, learn Ukrainian as if it was their mother tongue.
"Oh, sorry, you can't speak Ukrainian, even though you aren't Ukrainian in the slightest? The books are not translated for you because they're 100% the same books used by Ukrainian kids? Fuck you, here's an F. Good luck finding a job, fucko."
Gonna derail the thread with politisperging even more, but goddamnit I remember hearing about this, that Zelensky was actively destroying any form of national identity that wasn't Ukrainian. Unfortunately here in Poland the discourse about the war was brought down to caricatural Western levels of "Ukraine good Russia bad" right after it started, to the point where if you mention how Ukrainians fucking hate us, you mention Bandera and how they still see him as a hero, you'll either get insulted or you'll have people wiggling around to make it seem like it's not a big deal or that it's Pole's fault, and we need to give them more gibs, send more money and tanks and do 1:1 what Biden's administration is doing to show how democratic and western we are because we're a US colony. It got to the point where I myself got affected by the propaganda and I don't recall the "old narrative" and all the clearly asinine bullshit that Ukrainians and Zelensky were doing before the war that deserves to be shown to remind people that Zelensky is not our friend.

So yeah, I really need a fellow post-Eastern Bloc Slav to refresh my memory on the bullshit Zelensky was up to from his election up to the war where all the media here propped him up as a hero overnight, because we're a US colony.
 
Gonna derail the thread with politisperging even more, but goddamnit I remember hearing about this, that Zelensky was actively destroying any form of national identity that wasn't Ukrainian. Unfortunately here in Poland the discourse about the war was brought down to caricatural Western levels of "Ukraine good Russia bad" right after it started, to the point where if you mention how Ukrainians fucking hate us, you mention Bandera and how they still see him as a hero, you'll either get insulted or you'll have people wiggling around to make it seem like it's not a big deal or that it's Pole's fault, and we need to give them more gibs, send more money and tanks and do 1:1 what Biden's administration is doing to show how democratic and western we are because we're a US colony. It got to the point where I myself got affected by the propaganda and I don't recall the "old narrative" and all the clearly asinine bullshit that Ukrainians and Zelensky were doing before the war that deserves to be shown to remind people that Zelensky is not our friend.

So yeah, I really need a fellow post-Eastern Bloc Slav to refresh my memory on the bullshit Zelensky was up to from his election up to the war where all the media here propped him up as a hero overnight, because we're a US colony.
Ukraine really sounds like your Mexico. Poor. Always in need of handouts. Relies on you for all their military equipment. Your government retardedly gives in at a moments notice. And you're force fed propaganda how the Mex- I mean Ukrainians are so great, even though they hate you and only see you as a pay check. Is this accurate?
 
Just in time to final replace the AAV7
Not when their LSM is going to cost hundreds of millions more per ship.
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The Congressional Budget Office expects the Landing Ship Medium program to cost billions of dollars more than the U.S. Navy previously estimated, though the organization noted that ongoing questions about the ship’s role create uncertainty on the final design and cost.

The office estimated an 18-ship LSM program would cost between $6.2 billion and $7.8 billion in 2024 inflation-adjusted dollars, or $340 million to $430 million per ship. This is three times more than the Navy’s comparable estimate of $2.6 billion total, or $150 million per ship.
 
Just in time to final replace the AAV7
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Hey, the battle boat is fucking cool even if it's shit. You get a turret with a 50cal, a 40mm Mike Mike, and 25 US marines in the back ready to chow down at RAM Ranch.
 
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Hey, the battle boat is fucking cool even if it's shit. You get a turret with a 50cal, a 40mm Mike Mike, and 25 US marines in the back ready to chow down at RAM Ranch.
17 at max with how bulky armor/crew served have gotten. Assuming they get there instead of Davy's Jones locker. And can do anything besides puke from inhaling exhaust fumes.

Edit: And gonna pull my vet card here but I really want to get across what an achievement this is, I was a Marine grunt. I, a guy who hung out with machine gunners, I, consider YATYAS the most retarded motherfuckers in the Corps.
 
Ukraine really sounds like your Mexico. Poor. Always in need of handouts. Relies on you for all their military equipment. Your government retardedly gives in at a moments notice. And you're force fed propaganda how the Mex- I mean Ukrainians are so great, even though they hate you and only see you as a pay check. Is this accurate?
Nah I don't think so. For one, this narration is as old as the invasion, before that criticizing and laughing at Ukrainians was okay, and the government wasn't going full retard on gibs for them. In fact there weren't any gibs before the invasion.

The propaganda happened overnight on February 24th 2022. Before that you had two stations, state owned TVP doing PiS' propaganda, and US corporate owned TVN, doing PO propaganda, constantly doing opposing narrations in a very primitive way. Then the invasion happens and all media stations give you the exact same message about the war.

Suddenly the PiS/PO conflict is gone, all the media unites to parrot the narrative of Western media. Any suggestions that Zelensky bad or Ukrainians bad because Bandera, Wołyń, Azov and so on get screeched out for being pro-Russian propaganda, you cannot criticize the sacred cow, the government gives out gibs after gibs to Ukraine, and again, anyone opposing those, Russian agent, Russian footwrap (onuca), because that's a trendy insult in Polish, you cannot criticize them, it was so mind numbingly stupid.

Then as the war went on, shit like Przewodów happened. A rocket hit a Polish village, killed two Polish citizens. Zelensky instantly jumped out to say it was a Russian rocket, Russia attacked Poland, yapping like a mad dog until Sleepy Joe pulled back his leash when it turned out it was a Ukrainian rocket. Then no apologies, it was forgotten, but not by everyone, and it was a wake-up call for many that Zelensky is not the hero he was made out to be.

However to this day there's a lot of misinformation on what Ukraine actually did wrong, is it Russian misinformation and so on, because it's war, obviously the media war still rages on, and I expect the real war to start once this conflict is over, there is no more incentive to prop up the US propaganda about Ukraine, and the real impact of the government's decisions during the war will start to set in for real once the narration is no longer artificially kept up.

Very importantly, the topic of war in Ukraine in Poland is reported on daily by every mainstream media outlet. They constantly keep this discussion up and keep riling people up about it, to the point where you can't even escape it online. On Polish sites you'll have people praising Ukraine or having an kneejerk reaction to anything Russian related even though before it all those kneejerk reactions weren't happening everywhere at the slightest mention of Russia. Polish YouTubers that didn't do politics suddenly do inserts about Ukraine good Russia bad, and they're obviously influenced by the mainstream narrative because before that date they never talked about it. The YT algo is also completely poisoned to spoon feed you this negative information daily with no way to filter it out besides cutting yourself away from the algo.

And also not every Ukrainian that ran away to Poland is the type of shithead that should be deported, but at the same time there's enough of those shitheads, or even worse, shitheads that came here, grabbed the gibs, then fucked off to Germany and still taking our gibs because our government is too incompetent to keep this shit in check, that there's bound to be some serious tensions brewing here in the future. But right now suggesting those will get you branded online as a Russian propagandist that purposefully spreads anti-Ukrainian propaganda, even though I doubt Russia has to do anything for this to happen.

It's 4AM and I'm maniacally politisperging, so here's an example of just how stupid the initial kneejerk reaction was in Poland.
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These are known here as "pierogi ruskie". They're dumplings with potatoes and cheese. The name "ruskie" is derivative from "Ruś", as they originate from the Red Ruthenia, a historical land encompassing parts of current day Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.

Now, in Polish, the word "ruski" is also used as a pejorative term towards Russians. To them, "русский" is how they call themselves, but Poles turned it into an insult. And when the war happened, the kneejerk reaction was that "pierogi ruskie" implied they originated from Russia, even though they never seen those there, so a lot of restaurants were quickly rebranding them as "pierogi ukraińskie", or "Ukrainian dumplings".

Completely retarded as the original name was fine and accurate, but this is the caliber of stupidity you'd expect from an average Pole when a big thing happens. It's a chance to prove that we're totally not a meaningless useless post-Soviet country, and by being so helpful everyone else will surely help us out and not fuck us over like during WW2. Because apparently having the best economy and society of any post-Eastern Bloc country is not big enough of an accomplishment to completely abandon those national insecurities.
 
Then as the war went on, shit like Przewodów happened. A rocket hit a Polish village, killed two Polish citizens. Zelensky instantly jumped out to say it was a Russian rocket, Russia attacked Poland, yapping like a mad dog until Sleepy Joe pulled back his leash when it turned out it was a Ukrainian rocket. Then no apologies, it was forgotten, but not by everyone, and it was a wake-up call for many that Zelensky is not the hero he was made out to be.
I actually remember that. It was a S-300 AA rocket that missed. That's sad man.
It's 4AM and I'm maniacally politisperging, so here's an example of just how stupid the initial kneejerk reaction was in Poland.
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These are known here as "pierogi ruskie". They're dumplings with potatoes and cheese. The name "ruskie" is derivative from "Ruś", as they originate from the Red Ruthenia, a historical land encompassing parts of current day Poland, Ukraine and Belarus.

Now, in Polish, the word "ruski" is also used as a pejorative term towards Russians. To them, "русский" is how they call themselves, but Poles turned it into an insult. And when the war happened, the kneejerk reaction was that "pierogi ruskie" implied they originated from Russia, even though they never seen those there, so a lot of restaurants were quickly rebranding them as "pierogi ukraińskie", or "Ukrainian dumplings".

Completely retarded as the original name was fine and accurate, but this is the caliber of stupidity you'd expect from an average Pole when a big thing happens. It's a chance to prove that we're totally not a meaningless useless post-Soviet country, and by being so helpful everyone else will surely help us out and not fuck us over like during WW2. Because apparently having the best economy and society of any post-Eastern Bloc country is not big enough of an accomplishment to completely abandon those national insecurities.
We actually use the word ruskie over here too lol. I'm surprised but also not that they did something that dumb. When the George Floyd shit happened over here, any food item with a black person on it got nuked and turned corporate. Strange really that food gets targeted during moral panics and national crises.

I do note you Poles feel "insecure". My guy, you guys actually have a spine compared to the rest of Europe it feels like.
 
True and right now it is currently their (and Navy's) turn at being the GAO chew toy at the moment. With their Landing Ship Medium program needing to be redone to military spec instead of the civilian spec it been drawn up in and the ensuing price hike that comes with it. So whatever big budget funding the USMC haves will be largely tied up for a while.

Navy also in the hot seat over their Constellation ship program not being to up U.S. military spec and everything have to be redone to get it to spec.
The issue with the Constellation was that it's based off an EU ship, the Franco-Italian FREMM Frigate. The Euros use lesser damage resistance ratings that the USN.

That was resolved about two years ago and it why the American versions are about 2,000 tons more displacement.

The Other issue is that shipbuilding barely exists in the USA anymore and staffing a shipyard to build them at the desired rate is proving extremely difficult.

I've actually seen ads on TV in the last 5 days trying to get people into shipyards to build submarines.
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Hey, the battle boat is fucking cool even if it's shit. You get a turret with a 50cal, a 40mm Mike Mike, and 25 US marines in the back ready to chow down at RAM Ranch.
Behold, it's replacement the ACV.



The USMC is due for about 630
 
The Other issue is that shipbuilding barely exists in the USA anymore and staffing a shipyard to build them at the desired rate is proving extremely difficult.
The biggest issue is Fincantieri had to buy or build a US shipyard to get contracts. They've spent most of the last 4 years trying to unfuck the shipyard while still building LCS hulls for lockmart. By far the largest ship Marinette Marine built before 2020 was the Freedom class LCS at 3500 tons. The Constellation class is over 7000 tons. 4 years ago the shipyard was not capable of launching a ship larger than 4500 tons or moving ship modules over 160 tons.
 
Ugh tell that to the fucking US military at the moment and the 80,000 psi 6.8x51mm round they want to shoot out of 13.5 inch barrels
NGSW and its consequences have been a disaster for the US military.
They legit wanted an "omniround" and ended up with what is basically .300 win mag on terms of energy in a .277 package
The entire thing was half-baked and stupid in the first place but what really boils my piss is that they ended up going with the least innovative and most backwards option available eliminating any possible silver lining the whole boondoggle could have had. True Velocity/General Dynamics actually had a really interesting technology on their hands with the hybrid polymer cased round they developed, and now that concept is effectively dead because SIG bought off the government offered a more "conservative" solution that ended up being the worst of both worlds. The weight savings, thermal benefits, and ability to set up containerized manufacturing in-situ which True Velocity's cartridge provided would have almost been worth going backwards 70 years in terms of the round itself.
I'm still of the opinion that a 5.56mm successor could still exist in the 5.5mm to 6mm space but it would be a rather incremental improvement.

7.62x51 replacement could exist between 7.5mm to 8mm but again, incremental improvement.
I agree, cringe Hornady marketing aside I'm actually a big fan of the 6mm ARC cartridge. On its own I'm not sure the benefits would be worth the hassle of switching from 5.56, but a 6mm ARC type round combined with TV's polymer case tech would basically be my ideal intermediate cartridge.

The 6.8x51mm round is actually conceptually a good 7.62x51mm replacement imho, although not in the SIG incarnation we ended up getting. With the True Velocity version we could have converted all existing 7.62x51mm systems over with just a barrel swap and gotten some major benefits in terms of weight, ballistics, and thermals.
t's just the U.S. Army that wants this as the USMC, USAF, USN and USCG had made no moves on adopting this future Darwin Award bait.
Specifically it's that faggot Mark Milley who wanted this. He had been obsessed with bringing back battle rifles for a while now, the first attempt was the ICSR program, which was supposed to replace the M4 with an off-the-shelf 7.62x51mm rifle, and which thankfully was killed pretty quickly. Unfortunate even after his retirement the NGSW has limped along, I suspect primarily because of sunk cost fallacy.
Even then the only logical "reason" anyone in the Pentagon wants this is they're terrified of the hordes of heavily body armored Americans Chinese and want ammunition they can't pickup and used.
The body armor threat is supposedly the justification, which is stupid, because next gen plates will stop ball 6.8x51mm as well, and exotic (i.e. tungsten penetrator) bullets would also allow 5.56 to pen lvl IV. But more importantly, the purpose and function of body armor is not to allow soldiers to shrug off bullets and keep fighting, it's to keep them alive long enough to get medevac'd. Even if the bullet doesn't penetrate your armor, getting shot fucking sucks, and taking a bullet to the arm or leg (which you can't reasonably armor with current technology) is going to take a man out of the fight just fine. A service rifle does not need to be able to crack lvl IV plates at 600m to do its job, which is to suppress the enemy and pin them down so they can be killed or disabled with mortars, artillery, grenades, airstrikes, and all the other indirect fire options that actually inflict casualties.

I don't however buy the idea that this was about stopping domestic insurgents from being able to pick up and use government ammunition, if for no other reason than that SIG sells the XM7 rifle commercially (albiet for an absurd price) and you can get both commercial .277 Fur(r)y ammunition and reloading dies for it. If this really was about preventing American citizens from being able to make use of captured ammunition or rifles in a hypothetical insurgency, the government would have kept it proprietary.
Illogically the Brass at the Pentagon never did got over their battle rifles and cartridges being replaced by a "Mattel toy" and cartridge.
That particular line of stupidity runs long and deep within the US military establishment, unfortunately.
 
The issue with the Constellation was that it's based off an EU ship, the Franco-Italian FREMM Frigate. The Euros use lesser damage resistance ratings that the USN.
Except for the English Royal Navy who's ships are comparable to the U.S. Navy in damage resistance.
That was resolved about two years ago and it why the American versions are about 2,000 tons more displacement.
Nope, they still haven't finalized the design yet, and USN had intentionally excluded the English latest Type 26(?) frigate design cause it was still a paper design and haven't had an example built. Right now USN probably should have with the English option, as the Constellation is most likely going to be completely different from the FREMM parent design.
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During a media roundtable with reporters on Tuesday, Naval Sea Systems Command chief Vice Adm. James Downey told reporters that the detail design for the frigate – which is based on Fincantieri Marinette Marine’s FREMM parent design that’s in service with the Italian and French navies – still isn’t complete. The goal is to finalize the detail design this year and the service and contractors are nearing 80 percent completion, Downey said.

“Some of the mix of the contracting roles have changed between prime and sub,” Downey told reporters. “And finishing the design has been critical for us. That’s why we’ve co-located the design force from Fincantieri and their sub with the government in a collaboration center up there to finish.”

The Other issue is that shipbuilding barely exists in the USA anymore and staffing a shipyard to build them at the desired rate is proving extremely difficult.

I've actually seen ads on TV in the last 5 days trying to get people into shipyards to build submarines.

Behold, it's replacement the ACV.



The USMC is due for about 630
For the U.S. Navy the United States haves the shipyards but no where remotely close to enough available workers. And especially those working "upstream" of the yards" building the various components to get into the ships.
 
The issue with the Constellation was that it's based off an EU ship, the Franco-Italian FREMM Frigate. The Euros use lesser damage resistance ratings that the USN.

That was resolved about two years ago and it why the American versions are about 2,000 tons more displacement.

The Other issue is that shipbuilding barely exists in the USA anymore and staffing a shipyard to build them at the desired rate is proving extremely difficult.

I've actually seen ads on TV in the last 5 days trying to get people into shipyards to build submarines.
I'll admit I've thought about welding for them, it sounds like they are desperate and ready to pay out big time for workers.
I do know about that. It saddens me it only carries 13 and is wheeled. At least it keeps the old turret, so that's nice.
The biggest issue is Fincantieri had to buy or build a US shipyard to get contracts. They've spent most of the last 4 years trying to unfuck the shipyard while still building LCS hulls for lockmart. By far the largest ship Marinette Marine built before 2020 was the Freedom class LCS at 3500 tons. The Constellation class is over 7000 tons. 4 years ago the shipyard was not capable of launching a ship larger than 4500 tons or moving ship modules over 160 tons.
It astounds me what passes as a "frigate" these days. If you're going over 7000 tons, which is the weight of a older DESTROYER, give that bad boy a 5' inch gun as well as a 57mm for drone duty, and up the VLS cells to at least 48. Also give it some torpedo tubes, which it randomly lacks despite having a top tier towed array sonar.
Whatever they end up replacing it with should retain the GMG. That shit is aces for mobile suppression.
The M2 50 cal should have a permanent place in the military, I want that to be law, cant replace it. Go full 40k.
 
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