Culture Warhammer 40,000 has slightly more women in it now and the neckbeards aren't happy - We're still not at "female space marines" but give it time.

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Since Warhammer 40,000's 10th edition was released last year, each of the wargame's factions has been getting the traditional rules refresh in the form of a new Codex book. The latest deals with the Adeptus Custodes, genetically engineered bodyguards of the Emperor so gigantic they make space marines look weedy. (They also happen to be Henry Cavill's army of choice). There are 10,000 of them and in the past they've only ever been depicted as men. In this latest iteration, shock horror, at least two of the Custodes are women.

Most players seem to have responded to this by shrugging and getting back to arguing about the new rules, but there's always a vocal minority who go on a tear. The Mail Online ran a typically subtle and understated headline that declared "It's Wokehammer!" and the meme community Grimdank has declared posts about "Femstodes" will only be allowed for one week before they join "Female Space Marine posts" as a banned topic. Games Workshop's official response is a tweet that says, "In regards to female Custodians, there have always been female Custodians, since the first of the Ten Thousand were created."

Is this a retcon? Yep, and it won't be the last. Warhammer 40,000 has had fluid "lore" right from the start. The original Custodian Guards were depicted as shirtless hunks who never leave Earth—a long way from the heavily armored galaxy-spanning golden gods they became—to say nothing of tweaks to the 40K canon like ditching half-eldar space marines and rewriting the Horus Heresy from a short story a handful of pages long into a series of 60+ novels.

The Adeptus Custodes aren't 40K's only genetically engineered supersoldiers, of course. The setting's flagship faction are the space marines, who are created differently—where Custodes are enhanced via a unique process begun when they're infants, space marines begin being grafted with a "gene-seed" when they're on the verge of puberty. And while the explanation that space marine gene-seeds are "keyed to male hormones and tissue types" goes back a way, it's not the real reason Games Workshop made a whole army of dudes who are men.

As GW's former head of IP Alan Merrett once explained on Facebook, "The reason there aren't female Space Marines has nothing to do with lore, or background or character of Marines. It's to do with [the] simple logistics of making miniatures and selling miniatures." In the 1980s GW sold miniatures in sets called blister packs, and as Merrett explained "the intention was that upwards of 25% of all models would be female." That didn't last because "retailers kept complaining to us that customers weren't buying the female models and could we not include any in their restocks." By the time Warhammer 40,000 was designed, GW made sure its poster boys were, well, boys to ensure they'd sell. As Merrett put it, "All the background fluff about why there are only male Marines is there to justify a commercial logistics issue."

And the same was true of the Adeptus Custodes, until it wasn't. Though the customers at the average Warhammer shop are mostly men, these days there are usually one or two women as well. And the men are a lot less likely to throw a hissy-fit about having women in their armies than gamers in the 1980s, despite what Reddit and Twitter might suggest. All of 40K's lore and storytelling exists to provide context for selling toy soldiers to people, and as the customer base changes so too will that lore.

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In fairness, Girl Scouts are a lesbian ran cookie company.
Who were all into aborting girls but for reasons never bothered to tell their future patrons of Planned Parenthood that.

To be fair the Boy Scout corporate leadership had been completely subverted when it let in fags to take control of the entire organization.
 
the cringe never ends with this, i swear to god
Natural born killer, duuuuuuuuuuuuude. Steroids numb the mind to the fury of combat.
she doesn't even have any definition to her

even if her weapons can cut through anything, this bitch would be dead the moment something with width grabbed her arms
Eldar are superhuman-in every conceivable way, they are better than humans. Lelith Hesperax is basically Eldar physical prowess taken to its highest expression. She really is "just that good"

Which doesn't bother me to much-because Eldar are not human-their baseline physical capacities is much superior, wherein Lelith Hesperax is probably the greatest living combatant of her race.

Anyways-40K is in the odd place of being both male dominated yet could easily have a large female audience if GW wanted it. Konrad Curze has legions of ogling fan girls, and people find the dark eldar archon in the rogue trader game attractive because...brooding edgy space elf.
 
Warhammer 40K is ultimately just toy soldiers duking it out with nerds making the rules a lot more complex than what they did as 9 year olds.

There are elements of it that could appeal to women, but its very much geared towards the neckbeard audience.
 
I literally don't know a single person who honestly bitches about women playing any tabletop game. This is because the people I know don't care about your gender, of more concern is if you're an asshole or not. The solution isn't "don't play with chuds and trannies", it's "don't play with assholes".
 
I literally don't know a single person who honestly bitches about women playing any tabletop game.
Women don't play tabletop games because they don't have enough representation. When chuds say they don't want female space marines, they're saying they don't want women in gaming, because if we had female space marines with sparkles and glitter, 50% of Warhammer players would be women.
 
I tried my hand at 40K once, was more fun building them than gaming with uptight neckbeard autists, but at least I left early on before I sunk too much money into it.

I'm kinda glad I left the franchise when I did. If the owners of it are willing to shit on their customers then they deserve everything they get.
 
Edward Bernays was hired to produce an ad/propaganda campaign to get women to smoke. He called cigarettes torches of freedom. It relied heavily on early feminist sentiment. Women smoking was a sign of their liberation. Men don't want you smoking ladies. You better buy some cigarettes and light up. He also ran ad campaigns for the pork industry that turned bacon from traditionally a lunch and dinner food to a breakfast food.

They want to sell more stuff to women, so they run these stupid campaigns targeting women. The problem is women don't have an interest in any of this stuff. Video games tabletop miniatures. These are all male focused hobbies because only men have an interest. Women don't have hobbies. They never engage in hobbies. They don't like it when men have hobbies, and they don't understand why men have hobbies. How do you sell a hobby to people that don't have hobbies and have no interest in them?
 
Yet I never see them want to have female Ogryn representation or 'female' Nurgle demons, only the more mainstream, prettier humanoid faction.

Women have two whole orders that is ladies only and are badass (Adeptas Sororitas(Sisters of Battle) and Sisters of Silence), let the men have their Space Marines and Custodes. The ladies also have the (living) Saints and the others groups are heavily mixed from Commisars to Navy Officers to PDF to the Catachan jungle fighters and the Krieg. I don't get the "we need more female rep" in wh40k it is already heavily mixed with tons of (badass) women
 
Edward Bernays was hired to produce an ad/propaganda campaign to get women to smoke. He called cigarettes torches of freedom. It relied heavily on early feminist sentiment. Women smoking was a sign of their liberation. Men don't want you smoking ladies. You better buy some cigarettes and light up. He also ran ad campaigns for the pork industry that turned bacon from traditionally a lunch and dinner food to a breakfast food.

They want to sell more stuff to women, so they run these stupid campaigns targeting women. The problem is women don't have an interest in any of this stuff. Video games tabletop miniatures. These are all male focused hobbies because only men have an interest. Women don't have hobbies. They never engage in hobbies. They don't like it when men have hobbies, and they don't understand why men have hobbies. How do you sell a hobby to people that don't have hobbies and have no interest in them?
The first half of your post was excellent, but then it went weird and a bit nonsensical. Like WH40K rules editions.

There are women who play WH40K and read the books and play the games. I'm also pretty confident that the overlap of these women with the set of women who don't give a fuck about their being female Space Marines is a perfect 1:1.
 
There are women who play WH40K and read the books and play the games. I'm also pretty confident that the overlap of these women with the set of women who don't give a fuck about their being female Space Marines is a perfect 1:1.

There are quite a few of us. But have any of you been a GW store lately? Full of troons and younger men who need to wash more. Sincerely. The stink from my local GW used to be intense. The Manager had to tell some of the regulars to not come in unless they'd washed.

So with that in mind? Like the small subset of women into 40k and Fantasy I know stick to doing it at home (or friends house) and painting the figures. And even saying that, there used to be a god tier painter on /tg/ who got found out to be a woman and they harassed her pretty bad once her dox was found. All she did was post her figures, nothing else.
 
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There are quite a few of us. But have any of you been a GW store lately? Full of troons and younger men who need to wash more. Sincerely. The stink from my local GW used to be intense. The Manager had to tell some of the regulars to not come in unless they'd washed.
Uh, no. The last time I went in a GW store was to ask for directions and the guy still tried to get me to play an introduction game to see if I liked it. More fool me for saying I used to play. I still think the setting is one of the best I've ever come across (though I was pretty much out by the time the rift stuff and Primaris stuff happened, and all that stuff). And I have some familiarity with the tabletop rules still because I've a friend who loves to sperg about it to me (which is how I know the rules look crazy these days). So I haven't been in a store lately but I can well believe everything you say.

It's a kind of bane upon the hobby. I enjoy RPGs in theory - I run them sometimes - even did a pretty fun WH40K one. But I avoid "Gaming" culture like it's something infectious. The best way to play is with friends or family who you know outside of just the hobby. They are less entitled towards your time and effort, usually. I honestly think it's gotten worse, though maybe that's just age. When I got into these hobbies (RPGs and WH40K) it was a kid and I had no exposure to it outside of my own friend group who were our own age. Then as an adult I looked into new groups in a new area and *shudder* furries, they/thems, the sort of people you're talking about.

I'm not talking about everyone - but there are plenty who spoil it for the rest. The hobby seems to have a bad combination of lack of gate-keeping and appeal to fantasists. I started an RPG game in a new area to meet some more people and have some fun and when I told one individual I didn't want them in my game you could have heard the jaws-dropping from Mars. The sheer unfathomable rudeness of me turning someone away staggered them. I guess it wasn't inclusive?

So with that in mind? Like the small subset of women into 40k and Fantasy I know stick to doing it at home (or friends house) and painting the figures. There used to be a god tier painter on /tg/ who got found out to be a woman and they harassed her pretty bad once her dox was found. All she did was post her figures, nothing else.
I hear you and I get it. My experiences would probably be even worse if I were a woman. Although my personality would probably offset that at least somewhat. :)

I really wish I could get into the tier of tabletop gamers who are normal well-adjusted human beings. I mean, there's lots of them. But the moment it becomes any kind of public facing thing, along come the... others. Yes, I'm a snob. I'm okay with that.

But that's so true. I really don't care about female space marines. I've argued against them several times in my LGS only to be told 'i dont know whats best for me' so fuck the WH community. It's a cesspit regardless. I'm just gonna be over here being a death robot enjoyer because all life is a plague and laser pyramids are the cure.
Trazyn is best bot. ❤️
 
And both of you are on kiwifarms?

Nah I'm just joshing.
There was a British woman who used to be on Twitter who painted minis and knew the lore and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to learn she was on here as she was pretty rock-solid in her views; or even a poster in this thread. I think there are more than people realise but for reasons both explained and best avoided, they've often learned to keep a low profile or only with people they know. My RPG group used to be a pretty even mix when it was made up of people I just knew and invited to play / try it. But when I dabbled in public clubs and groups it skewed to something like 10:1 males to females.
 
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