AI Art Seething General

[Absurdist Laughter]

Lastly, in case anyone here is still on the quest to watch every video essay about AI, this one is in favour of AI and brings up some interesting points, but it is pretty fucking long.

(YouTube link)

Thanks, I'm certain this video won't become as widely watched as the anti-AI crop of folks. That just isn't how disingenuous "movements" work now a day.

 

[imaginary friend]

Lastly, in case anyone here is still on the quest to watch every video essay about AI, this one is in favour of AI and brings up some interesting points, but it is pretty fucking long.

(YouTube link)

Uneducated and possibly incorrect thought I got while watching this video (if I understand ML correctly): AI image generation software cannot steal art because it doesn't contain data. It only contains "math": methods of calculation. That would mean it can be argued AI steals art less than human artists, because humans have both memory and muscle memory, while the AI doesn't remember any of the images it's seen. It only has "muscle memory" and nothing else.

 

[Jeb Bush]

Uneducated and possibly incorrect thought I got while watching this video (if I understand ML correctly): AI image generation software cannot steal art because it doesn't contain data. It only contains "math": methods of calculation. That would mean it can be argued AI steals art less than human artists, because humans have both memory and muscle memory, while the AI doesn't remember any of the images it's seen. It only has "muscle memory" and nothing else.

Pretty much. Ethical arguments on both ends aside, most (if not all) the legal arguments artists are making in their lawsuits, focus on the fact their copyright protected works were scrapped and used without obtaining a licence, during the process of training that AI. Therefore this is likely an entirely new legal problem, that the courts will now have to decide.

 

[AnOminous]

Pretty much. Ethical arguments on both ends aside, most (if not all) the legal arguments artists are making in their lawsuits, focus on the fact their copyright protected works were scrapped and used without obtaining a licence, during the process of training that AI. Therefore this is likely an entirely new legal problem, that the courts will now have to decide.

My personal opinion is if the artwork was lawfully obtained, in the absence of a license with terms to the contrary, it's as open for fair use as any book on your shelves. Now, if a company never had any terms authorizing such use but then suddenly pulls it on millions of people without permission, that's class action territory. If someone outright steals art for which the terms of access prohibit commercial use and then use it that way anyway, again you're looking at valid causes of action.

However, stuff that's just publicly available and accessible without having to agree to shit, tough. Unless the derivative use is not transformative, or actually does copy specific elements directly, I don't see the issue at all. Butthurt isn't an issue.

I'm sure that courts are going to disagree on this in the coming years, though.

 

[Jeb Bush]

My personal opinion is if the artwork was lawfully obtained, in the absence of a license with terms to the contrary, it's as open for fair use as any book on your shelves. Now, if a company never had any terms authorizing such use but then suddenly pulls it on millions of people without permission, that's class action territory. If someone outright steals art for which the terms of access prohibit commercial use and then use it that way anyway, again you're looking at valid causes of action.

However, stuff that's just publicly available and accessible without having to agree to shit, tough. Unless the derivative use is not transformative, or actually does copy specific elements directly, I don't see the issue at all. Butthurt isn't an issue.

I'm sure that courts are going to disagree on this in the coming years, though.

This might also end up being multiple separate legal problems, as the datasets the AI is trained on, are often supplied by different companies (who also use other scrapers) and usually claim they only store links to the media, without ever downloading any of it. The datasets are rarely if ever, done with any checks (mostly due to the scale of the scraping), to the point where even illegal stuff, was included in some of them. Most of them were compiled for "research purposes", so it is likely nobody ever even thought about copyright law, along the way.

 

[AnOminous]

This might also end up being multiple separate legal problems, as the datasets the AI is trained on, are often supplied by different companies (who also use other scrapers) and usually claim they only store links to the media, without ever downloading any of it. The datasets are rarely if ever, done with any checks (mostly due to the scale of the scraping), to the point where even illegal stuff, was included in some of them. Most of them were compiled for "research purposes", so it is likely nobody ever even thought about copyright law, along the way.

Agreed, there are different issues. Copyright is far from the only one. While you generally can't copyright a "style," that doesn't mean you can just absolutely lift it and sell stuff as if it were from the original source. There's "trade dress," and if you, for instance, absolutely copied the Sanrio style and then marketed the resulting products in a confusing manner, I think they'd probably sue the fuck out of you with full force regardless of whether their arguments were questionable.

I just don't the copyright angle is particularly availing. Trademark, trade dress, unfair competition, false advertising, deceptive trade practices, and other economic torts might apply, although corporations are often in a better position to pursue these sometimes arcane actions. In any event, you often see these add-on Haily Mary pleadings when the copyright argument is weak.

 

[Miss Violet Beauregarde]

J. Neira is an author who hates AI so much that their horror books revolve around an anti-AI vigilante and now they're having cosplays of her. My hats off to this lady, she clearly worksout.

I'm interested. What book is she making. I wanna read it.

 

[Digital Thunder]

Not exactly seething, but I can’t remember the last time I’ve read something this made-up. It’s so reminiscent of old Tumblr feel-good fibs it’s almost nostalgia-inducing.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

Not exactly seething, but I can’t remember the last time I’ve read something this made-up. It’s so reminiscent of old Tumblr feel-good fibs it’s almost nostalgia-inducing.

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If it is true, A) it never would have succeeded because neither groups knew how to communicate and collaborate together and B)This is why you use AI as a tool and not replacement which is what these ai art nigger haters don't quite understand. There are several AI art tools that can take literal child drawings and turn them into masterpieces. Imagine what they could do with sketches from trained artists.

I highly doubt this is a factual story.

 

[Toolbox]

If it is true, A) it never would have succeeded because neither groups knew how to communicate and collaborate together and B)This is why you use AI as a tool and not replacement which is what these ai art nigger haters don't quite understand. There are several AI art tools that can take literal child drawings and turn them into masterpieces. Imagine what they could do with sketches from trained artists.

I highly doubt this is a factual story.

You can tell this artist has no clue what inpainting is. Their entire story reads like what some tard on xitter would make up, having read absolutely nothing about what ai tools currently exist, and have existed for well over a year.

 

[Gnillik Yot]

I'm interested. What book is she making. I wanna read it.

The cosplays are for Lola's Haunter. Amazon says it came out last year, but it seems Neira is writing more anti-AI novels. From everything we can tell, Lola's Haunter is a horror novel about a buff college girl who it seems starts fighting AI. But Neira is clearly older than a college girl, I think more like mid to late twenties. The cosplay lady looks older than her character imo:

 

[Apple Porcupine]

Seething over Gartic Phone, a web-based collaborative drawing game (which is and always has been completely free), adding an optional mode for AI prompts, which was quickly removed after user complaints. This isn't enough, they expect a full explanation and apology or else they... will continue not paying for it.

 

[linchan]

Seething over Gartic Phone, a web-based collaborative drawing game (which is and always has been completely free), adding an optional mode for AI prompts, which was quickly removed after user complaints. This isn't enough, they expect a full explanation and apology or else they... will continue not paying for it.

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I checked Artwomble thinking that he was a major YouTuber or something, but from what I found he has less than 1k subs on his YouTube and his twitch follower is 5k. Who the fuck is this guy, and how many people actually cares about him not streaming Gartic Phone.

 

[Toolbox]

I checked Artwomble thinking that he was a major YouTuber or something, but from what I found he has less than 1k subs on his YouTube and his twitch follower is 5k. Who the fuck is this guy, and how many people actually cares about him not streaming Gartic Phone.

I feel like I've seen this guy elsewhere screenshot participating in other petty drama, though searching the name brings up nothing. Absolutely pathetic that a casual art game is bowing down to a couple of Twitter faggots with superiority complexes.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

"Soul" and "Soulless" is just a spiritual rephrasing of the labor theory of value.

That explains a lot, considering how tankies are the ones who are ally pushing anti-AI.
That would also explain why conservatives tend to be more accepting of AI, despite they generally being more anti-tevhnology in general.

 

[Miss Violet Beauregarde]

Quote from the book:
Her world changes when she is tricked into attending a party and ends up getting into a brutal brawl with a rich girl, who she attempts to cancel the next day.

I'm sold. Is there like a quick peek of the book? Has anyone read the book? Could be a good read for some laughs.

 

[Gnillik Yot]

I'm sold. Is there like a quick peek of the book? Has anyone read the book? Could be a good read for some laughs.

Maybe we should take this to the YA thread because it's a YA novel, but yeah Amazon lets you take a sneak peak of the book. I agree it seems like it might be good for laughs, you should read it and update us about it on the YA thread as you read through it. I've long been trying to convince the others on the thread that we should have a book club where we read different woke YA novels for laughs.

 

[AnOminous]

That explains a lot, considering how tankies are the ones who are ally pushing anti-AI.

I don't see why tankies care considering tankies don't have souls either.

 

[Bloudwulf]

Could be a good read for some laughs.

Real human artists have told me that bitterness and hatred are not a good source of creative energy, and that anything produced with them will always be lesser than something made out of love because of the inherent negativity of hatred.
But I suppose since those emotions are coming from real humans, anything goes.

 

[AnOminous]

Real human artists have told me that bitterness and hatred are not a good source of creative energy, and that anything produced with them will always be lesser than something made out of love because of the inherent negativity of hatred.

Tell it to Baudelaire.