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It's called someone has to pay for it. If you want American cash, it gets made here by Americans. Production will spool up in time. Until then just keep bombing the sandniggers into submission.
Israel is paying for it themselves and they have a license to produce it from the US govt since they codeveloped Iron Dome with the USA. This is sort of the problem the article is talking about. The Israelis have all the legal rights to build these interceptors but the US refuses to allow them to because ????
 
Israel is paying for it themselves and they have a license to produce it from the US govt since they codeveloped Iron Dome with the USA. This is sort of the problem the article is talking about. The Israelis have all the legal rights to build these interceptors but the US refuses to allow them to because ????
Because Ratheyon needs their cut. And Americans need theirs too. It's called buisness. As you said COdeveloped. Even in war people still need to get paid, specifically Americans. Isreal gets a lot, so it gets to give some back.
 
the only country in a region that isn't as a priori evil as an Islamic regime
The Israeli government under Benji Netanyahu propped up and supported Hamas' takeover of Gaza as a cynical ploy to avoid having to resolve the situation with a two-state solution.

Such a government doesn't deserve money stolen from the american people any more than the american government does for its shenanigans, but at least the U.S. government is the one americans live under. There is no logical reason to give such people more lucre to spend on such retarded, self-sabotaging bullshit.
 
I mean yeah but US cant manufacture them either right now. It's depriving Israel for pretty much no reason, especially considering these are defensive interceptors that only save lives.
Here's an interesting idea. Use various foreign wars as a pretense to increase domestic manufacture of arms and munitions and then sell them at a steeply discounted but still profitable level to allied nations in war.
 
Here's an interesting idea. Use various foreign wars as a pretense to increase domestic manufacture of arms and munitions and then sell them at a steeply discounted but still profitable level to allied nations in war.
That requires forward thinking, something that's been in short supply since the Obama administration.

Because Ratheyon needs their cut. And Americans need theirs too. It's called buisness. As you said COdeveloped. Even in war people still need to get paid, specifically Americans. Isreal gets a lot, so it gets to give some back.
Israeli still pays royalties on the Israeli manufactured Tamirs.
 
Israeli still pays royalties on the Israeli manufactured Tamirs
Royalties ain't jobs. Isreal isn't unique in this type of situation. You want a K9 howitzer? They make those in South Korea. They only set up a plant in Poland because the order was fucking massive. If Isreal wants that situation, they'll need to order way more missiles than they are now.
 
Here's an interesting idea. Use various foreign wars as a pretense to increase domestic manufacture of arms and munitions and then sell them at a steeply discounted but still profitable level to allied nations in war.
At the cost of alienating the population that will make up the fighting force? Nothing will sell the American population on joining the military at this point. If 9/11 happen now a good portion of the population would support the claimed attackers.
 
Arizona faggots who stole the last election indicting people who said it was stolen, this is Faggot Georgia 2.0. She looks like a skinwalker.
They couldn't even get a guy convicted for shooting an invader this week.
Talk about high on your own supply... they think they're going to get a DC jury in Arizona?!
 
At the cost of alienating the population that will make up the fighting force? Nothing will sell the American population on joining the military at this point. If 9/11 happen now a good portion of the population would support the claimed attackers.
How.... would the U.S. selling things to another nation alienate potential domestic fighting forces?
 
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Biden’s Gains Against Trump Vanish on Deep Economic Pessimism, Poll Shows
Bloomberg (archive.ph)
By Gregory Korte
2024-04-24 09:00:15GMT
Topline PDF (archive.org)

President Joe Biden’s recent polling bump in key battleground states has mostly evaporated as a deep current of pessimism about the trajectory of the US economy hurts his standing with voters.

The April Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll found Biden is ahead in just one of the seven states most likely to determine the outcome of his matchup with Donald Trump, leading Michigan by 2 percentage points. Biden trails the presumptive GOP nominee slightly in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, and his deficit in Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and North Carolina is larger.

Those results are largely a return to the previous state of the presidential race, before a strong State of the Union address appeared to power Biden in March to his best showing in the monthly poll since it began in October.

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The reversion comes as poll respondents offered a bleak near-term view of the economy, the issue that has consistently registered as their top concern at the ballot box. A majority of swing-state voters see worsening economic conditions in the coming months, with fewer than one in five saying they expect inflation and borrowing costs to be lower by the end of the year. Despite a resilient job market, only 23% of respondents said the employment rate would improve over the same time period.

For undecided voters — a group crucial to Biden’s effort to close the gap with Trump — the share who expect improvement on those economic factors was in the single digits.

“Some of the shine of the State of the Union address has worn off,” said Matt Monday, senior manager of Morning Consult. “People are really tying Bidenomics and their perception of the economy to the inflation rate.”

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More than three quarters of poll respondents said the president is responsible for the current performance of the US economy, and nearly half said he was “very responsible.”

The poll has a margin of error of 1 percentage point across the seven states and was conducted April 8-15. While it was in the field, another higher-than-expected inflation report bolstered the case for the Federal Reserve to put off interest rate cuts, suggesting voters won’t see a retreat in borrowing costs any time soon.

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Biden has sought to remind voters of the nation's economic recovery since the depths of the pandemic while acknowledging there is “still more work to do.” The White House routinely touts job gains, industrial investments and that price increases have cooled from their 2022 peak.

Abortion Advantage
Meanwhile, the Biden campaign is counting on social issues, especially abortion, to help energize Democrats.

For the first time in the tracking poll, more than half of swing-state voters said abortion was very important to their vote. The shares of Democrats and independents who characterized the issue that way has increased since March, while the proportion of Republican voters saying that has held steady, a sign the issue is a growing priority for the voters more likely to align with Biden’s views on it.

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On April 9, the second day of polling, an Arizona Supreme Court decision upheld a restrictive abortion law from 1864. In that state, abortion is now the most important issue for three in 10 Democratic women, surpassing the economy.

Independent voters in Arizona say they trust Biden over Trump on that issue by 12 percentage points. Among suburban women in the state, it’s a 25-point advantage.

Trump has tried to moderate his position on abortion, saying the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade — made possible by three justices he appointed — means that the decision of each state “must be the law of the land.” He then said the Arizona Supreme Court decision went too far.

In response to open-ended questions about what they had heard about Trump in the last week, hundreds of respondents cited that issue. Many said he was being evasive or flip-flopping.

Voter Disillusionment
The RealClearPolitics average of national polls shows Trump and Biden in a virtual tie in the popular vote. But across seven battleground states in the Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll, Trump has a six-point lead in a head-to-head matchup with Biden.

The margin between the major-party candidates is similar when third-party or independent contenders are included. The most threatening of those challengers, former Democrat Robert F. Kennedy Jr., has consistently polled in the high single digits, buoyed by wide name recognition owing to his famous Democratic family. Kennedy secured a place on the Michigan ballot last week under the Natural Law Party banner.

The Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll of registered voters does not take into account how likely respondents are to vote in an election still more than six months away. The 2020 election had the highest turnout of eligible voters in more than a century, but voter disillusionment over a Biden-Trump rematch — with both candidates having high negative ratings — makes participation this time uncertain.

Biden's six-point deficit across the swing states is even wider than that of Democratic congressional candidates, who trail Republicans by two points. That hints that more voters have a sour view of Biden than his party overall.

Those ticket-splitters — voters who say they’ll vote for Trump for president but a Democrat for Congress — are far more pessimistic about the economy than those who split their voters the other way, Biden for president and a Republican for Congress.

Methodology
The Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll surveyed 4,969 registered voters in seven swing states: 801 registered voters in Arizona, 802 in Georgia, 708 in Michigan, 450 in Nevada, 703 in North Carolina, 803 in Pennsylvania and 702 in Wisconsin. The surveys were conducted online from April 8-15. The aggregated data across the seven swing states were weighted to approximate a target sample of swing-state registered voters based on gender, age, race/ethnicity, marital status, home ownership, 2020 presidential vote and state. State-level data were weighted to approximate a target sample of registered voters in the respective state based on gender, age, race/ethnicity, marital status, home ownership, and 2020 presidential vote. The margin of error is plus or minus 1 percentage point across the seven states; 3 percentage points in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania; 4 percentage points in Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin, and 5 percentage points in Nevada.

— With assistance from Elena Mejía, Jennah Haque, and Akayla Gardner
 
Israeli still pays royalties on the Israeli manufactured Tamirs.
Develop your own missiles if you don't want to play the game.

Royalties ain't jobs. Isreal isn't unique in this type of situation. You want a K9 howitzer? They make those in South Korea. They only set up a plant in Poland because the order was fucking massive. If Isreal wants that situation, they'll need to order way more missiles than they are now.
Even then they might not get shit. The speciality alloys in (some) missiles use minerals and metals that are in very short supply. We are behind schedule for production in my plant largely do to these supply shortages, and we got MIC priority for certain things. Trying to massively increase production sounds like it'll be either a huge money pit, or a total impossibility unless things change drastically here soon.
 
if you are fine with this status quo, why whinge about it?
my original point

For example, Israel is trying to gear up its native munitions production capability and Biden got so mad about it he sanctioned the Israeli company that provides the materials for Israel to build its own Iron Dome Tamir interceptors. Now they have to buy it from the US.

I'm fine with the status quo, my complaint is why sanction this company on flimsy grounds when Israel needs these weapons and America cant provide them in time? Seems to do damage to an ally with no gain.
 
They couldn't even get a guy convicted for shooting an invader this week.
Talk about high on your own supply... they think they're going to get a DC jury in Arizona?!
Oh don't worry, they'll find jurors who will play ball. Even in Arizona.


I'm fine with the status quo, my complaint is why sanction this company on flimsy grounds when Israel needs these weapons and America cant provide them in time? Seems to do damage to an ally with no gain.
My guess is the US manufactures of that missile slip biden or someone in biden's admin some cash from time to time. Or it could be an inept attempt to make pro-palestine protestors happy.
 
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great article about how the Americans benefit more than Israel from the aid they give:

This is why I can't fucking stand DeSantis shills (aka establishent uniparty shills).

'always kill a traitor before an enemy jimbo' ~ jimmy neutron's dad from that famous /pol/ meme

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Is Desantis still running? I thought he bowed out after humiliating himself by being a creepy weirdo. Is he waiting around to take over if Trump gets imprisoned? I thought he was sticking to his lane back in Florida and doing the whole le based conservative routine. How come there are no good candidates? How hard is it to field a palatable, intelligent, reasonable presidential candidate?

Now that I say that I fear that Gavin Newsom will run next time and win. He at least is normal-ish in appearance and demeanor. Wouldn't that be a horror.
Israel is paying for it themselves
The jews squatting in Palestine have never paid a penny themselves for anything. The entire shitheap is built on pilfered land and funds. How green a hasbara troll are you? You're using outdated bullshit talking points. I would recommend you take the advice I offered you in that other thread. It came straight from my heart. Don't break my heart.
 
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