A neptune is a Ukrainian copy of a KH 35. Its not new. And I said submarines. You dont need a ship to be able to withstand hundreds of meters of water, it needs to float. Big difference.
Point is it did survive. And when they have been used as targets in multiple SINKEXs, the amount of bullshit needed to sink one is insane. American build quality is unique paralleled.
I said it's NEWER not new, the KH 35 itself is only from 2003, and it being from 2021 still has it probably being better than the Exocet.
So they'll produce high quality submarines steel, but not good steel for their ships? Despite being the worlds largest ship builders without incident. Got it.
It started design work in 83. It's old.
Do you know what goes into building a sub? The best shit. The best welds. A ship doesn't require that. It needs to float and not leak. Big difference. Combine that with lesser standards from the start and yes, they probably can't take as many punches.
Ok, we can shift the goalposts however you want, but the Neptune is only based on the KH-35, it's still had nearly 2 decades of improvement, it's not old.
I'm sure the PLAN doesn't want high quality craftmanship for their ships, and all of it is the same tier as the cheap export shit you've worked with, being a welder you're obviously the most knowledgeable about all Chinese steel, including what is used in the PLAN.
My bad in regard to this by the way, I had a bad reading comprehension moment.
My nigga Episode 6 of star wars dropped when they thought it up 41 years ago. That's old.
I know steel. I know you don't. Unless they have been hiding this ability to not be shit for decades, yeah, I have little faith they can do it for such large a project as a entire fleet not including their subs.
They do have that ability and have had it, which is why Chinese ships haven't sunk. You have personal experience with bad Chinese steel, you have a bias, that makes you see all of their workmanship as bad, yes you have more expertise than me when it comes to steel, but you don't know the ins and outs of the Chinese MIC (I obviously don't either obviously).
Yes I do have a bias that is built on hands on experience. So does every welder and metalworker alive. And the collective agreement is this: it is fucking dogshit in comparison to American steel.
the PLAN is the only arm of the PLA that has real experience tbh, supporting a base in Djibouti and doing anti piracy is a definitely more than just doing drills.
Okay bro, we'll just have to wait and see how they perform if China actually ever decides to go to war, but I'd say the PLAN is the most important arm of the PLA, closely followed by the PLAAF, so it'd only make sense that they invest as much as possible in making sure their ships are actually good.
Bro, I expect to see a invasion of Taiwan by 2030. The entire world does. We shall see indeed.
War is a continuation of politics. They know it's only the last resort if they can't get it within their sphere via more sophisticated methods.
Exactly, peaceful reunification is not, and probably will never be off the table. Taiwan isn't Ukraine, and it's population is a lot less likely to actually fight China, vs seeking a diplomatic solution. Ironically the USA would be the main reason Taiwan would actually fight, if it comes to that.
Agreed, the Chinese Navy is very much an unknown factor at this point.
The Moskva was a mess when you look at it. In order to get this mountain of fuck off missiles on:
That, and the Moskva like most Russian Navy vessels had very, *very* little maintenance after the collapse of the USSR. So it sinking hours after it was hit might have been a decision of "Is it even worth trying to tow this scrap heap back to a dock, when it would be cheaper to just let it sink?". Remember, the Admiral Kuznetsov has been nothing but a supreme headache for the Russian Navy for pretty much the entirety of its service history, and they're planning on scrapping most of the Kirov-class ships due to a lack of maintenance on the reactors over the years rendering them no longer safe to operate/sail.
I think it's related to being light armor. Cav Scouts are the same. Never met a LAV bubba but they have tires so maybe they're normal.
Thermonuclear war between India, Pakistan, and China. Imagine it. Imagine what we could have.
Define retarded. I want details
It would be like that scene in Superman where Lex Luthor splits California from the US, just Asia, much to the relief of all the less spergy slant eyed countries around them.
