David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

[WelperHelper99]

https://chuckhillscgblog.net/2024/04/21/in-focus-the-bofors-57mm-mk-3-gun-that-equips-the-nscs-and-opcs-navy-lookout-i-think-mad-fires-is-dead/

And

https://www.navylookout.com/in-focus-the-bofors-57mm-mk-3-gun-that-will-equip-the-type-31-frigates/

Vs a 127mm it is a cost cutting exercise although it is probably better at small UAV and USV swarms


The Italian Navy has the correct idea and their FREMM multi mission variant has a 127mm and a 57mm gun and two 25mm guns plus VLS plus torpedo tubes and various machine guns

Yeah its cost cutting, not going to deny it. But it is a frigate in a navy that is mainly destroyers. I kind of expect a few cuts.

 

[Gog & Magog]

Francis Scott Key bridge that got hit by Indians. He owned slaves

He also represented slave owners in court. Then again, he became an abolitionist and represented runaway slaves in court a fair number of times. But he did believe in sending them all back. He also believed in hiring capable ones and paying them fairly, which he did. Like America herself, then and as now, he was a man of seemingly many contradictions.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

There are zero downsides to more vls cells in the fleet. Zero. I agree on the gun, that would take time.

US Navy wants the ships built as soon as possible and fucking around the ship design to cram in more VLS is the opposite of want the Navy wants.

As for torpedoes, 324mm torpedoes like a mk54 are meant for anti sub duty. The big 553mm ones are on subs themselves. Those are ship killers. You don't use a Tomahawk to kill a sub, if thats what you meant by cruise missile. And unlike Asrock, you don't need to take up a entire vls cell for one torpedo, just a tiny bit of deck space.

Torpedoes are too short range and sub hunting is for the ASW helicopters as they can attack the subs without themselves being in range of reprisal like a surface ship is.

 

[WelperHelper99]

US Navy wants the ships built as soon as possible and fucking around the ship design to cram in more VLS is the opposite of want the Navy wants.

Well clearly speed is out the window since the first one has been backed up to 2029 because they HAVE been fucking around. At least add more tubes.

Torpedoes are too short range and sub hunting is for the ASW helicopters as they can attack the subs without themselves being in range of reprisal like a surface ship is.

Bro a helicopter won't do shit if you get a ping a mile out because that sub has been sneaky as fuck and is about to fuck you in the ass. A tube is quicker than a helicopter, every time.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

US Navy wants the ships built as soon as possible and fucking around the ship design to cram in more VLS is the opposite of want the Navy wants.

Navy is big gay.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Well clearly speed is out the window since the first one has been backed up to 2029 because they HAVE been fucking around. At least add more tubes.

Take it up with the US Navy and the fucking around is Congress is on their ass wanting it and other Navy projects to be built to U.S. military's specifications.

Bro a helicopter won't do shit if you get a ping a mile out because that sub has been sneaky as fuck and is about to fuck you in the ass. A tube is quicker than a helicopter, every time.

If an opposing sub got to a mile of an U.S. Navy surface ship, that would mean someone in the Navy fucked up by not detecting it sooner. Which the Constellation does and will have the necessary sonar equipped to not have that happen.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Take it up with the US Navy and the fucking around is Congress is on their ass wanting it and other Navy projects to be built to U.S. military's specifications.

My point is if it's going slow and they are basically making a new ship, improve it.

If an opposing sub got to a mile of an U.S. Navy surface ship, that would mean someone in the Navy fucked up by not detecting it sooner. Which the Constellation does and will have the necessary sonar equipped to not have that happen.

>assuming everything will go as planned 100% of the time
I can think of one situation you would want torpedoes. The helicopter broke. "Fuck man we're about to get ass rammed, but the helicopter broke, gee, I wish they had invented on-board torpedo tubes so we didn't have to rely on a fucking helicopter!"

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

My point is if it's going slow and they are basically making a new ship, improve it.

Not if it costs more time and importantly money to do so.

>assuming everything will go as planned 100% of the time
I can think of one situation you would want torpedoes. The helicopter broke. "Fuck man we're about to get ass rammed, but the helicopter broke, gee, I wish they had invented on-board torpedo tubes so we didn't have to rely on a fucking helicopter!"

If that particular crew couldn't keep their helicopter maintained and not broke, they deserve the ass ramming. Again take it up with the U.S. Navy about your opinion on torpedoes.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Not if it costs more time and importantly money to do so.

It already is man. I'm just saying to make it worth it.

If that particular crew couldn't keep their helicopter maintained and not broke, they deserve the ass ramming. Again take it up with the U.S. Navy about your opinion on torpedoes.

The helicopter could have gotten damaged. Freak accident. My point is it's a variable with tons of ways to go wrong. As for the US Navy's opinion, they're the idiots that thought the Littoral combat ship program was a good idea. How about just sticking with basics, for once???

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

It already is man. I'm just saying to make it worth it.

Not when someone else is holding the pursestrings and the Navy had already fucked up several other ship programs starting with the San Antonio class (LPD), Zumwalt, LCS, and Gerald Ford class carriers to name the most recent examples.

 

[ZTZ-99A]

It's so dumb. And for a mere 32 vls cells, no torpedo tubes, and a single ASW helicopter. With that weight you should have double the cells and two main guns at least.

Type 054A frigate is 4368 tons, 32 VLS, 4 ASMs, HQ-10, and a 76mm, torpedoes + extras. Literally the same armament while being 3 tons lighter, why would you make a light destroyer and call it a frigate? The Type 052D is 7500 tons, has 64 VLS, 130mm gun, HQ-10, HQ-9, ASM/SSMs, and dedicated ASMs, literally 300 extra tons, for basically double the armament (although no torpedoes which is strange). Then again the U.S navy created the LCS abortion so I'm not surprised

 

[WelperHelper99]

Type 054A frigate is 4368 tons, 32 VLS, 4 ASMs, HQ-10, and a 76mm, torpedoes + extras. Literally the same armament while being 3 tons lighter, why would you make a light destroyer and call it a frigate? The Type 052D is 7500 tons, has 64 VLS, 130mm gun, HQ-10, HQ-9, ASM/SSMs, and dedicated ASMs, literally 300 extra tons, for basically double the armament (although no torpedoes which is strange). Then again the U.S navy created the LCS abortion so I'm not surprised

Unfortunately... I do agree. Now as for the Type 54D, it doesn't have Agies radar, or 16 anti ship missiles, but other than that, on paper, it has a significant advantage in terms of not being a fat fuck.

As for the Type 52D... yeah, that's what I want the Constellation to be, because we're there tonnage wise, it's just a matter of putting the vls cells in the hull which:

If you see where the anti ship missiles are, just rip those out, and use tube based anti ship missiles like LRASM. You can't tell me there isn't a way to make this happen. Yes, I want a pocket destroyer and to call it a frigate because A: it's clear it's going to be 7000 tons so it already kinda is, and B: to troll the fuck out of congress when they approve 50 more after the initial 20.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Type 054A frigate is 4368 tons, 32 VLS, 4 ASMs, HQ-10, and a 76mm, torpedoes + extras. Literally the same armament while being 3 tons lighter, why would you make a light destroyer and call it a frigate? The Type 052D is 7500 tons, has 64 VLS, 130mm gun, HQ-10, HQ-9, ASM/SSMs, and dedicated ASMs, literally 300 extra tons, for basically double the armament (although no torpedoes which is strange). Then again the U.S navy created the LCS abortion so I'm not surprised

The Chinese ships probably aren't built as "tough" as USN ones, same as Euro ships.

US ships have more steel in them.

The Chinese also have the biggest and most productive shipyards on Earth so they probably don't have to deal with the shit the USN does.

 

[Smoke Manmuscle]

17 at max with how bulky armor/crew served have gotten. Assuming they get there instead of Davy's Jones locker. And can do anything besides puke from inhaling exhaust fumes.

Edit: And gonna pull my vet card here but I really want to get across what an achievement this is, I was a Marine grunt. I, a guy who hung out with machine gunners, I, consider YATYAS the most retarded motherfuckers in the Corps.

You have now idea. Had to work with them when I was in and they are a special special kind.

For the U.S. Navy the United States haves the shipyards but no where remotely close to enough available workers. And especially those working "upstream" of the yards" building the various components to get into the ships.

I’ve been getting a ton of emails advertising for shipyard engineers. Problem is I don’t want to move to WI/ME cause it’s fucking cold, AL/MS cause it’s fucking humid, and VA/CT cause it’s gay

 

[Bill Kilgore]

>Came here to have some brief laugh at some NAFOfag who's apparently into Vore and other deviant shit.
>Ends up spending the next few hours reading Milcomsperging between everyone because I'm a fucking autist who's also into that kind of shit.

God I love this website.

Gonna derail the thread with politisperging even more, but goddamnit I remember hearing about this, that Zelensky was actively destroying any form of national identity that wasn't Ukrainian. Unfortunately here in Poland the discourse about the war was brought down to caricatural Western levels of "Ukraine good Russia bad" right after it started, to the point where if you mention how Ukrainians fucking hate us, you mention Bandera and how they still see him as a hero, you'll either get insulted or you'll have people wiggling around to make it seem like it's not a big deal or that it's Pole's fault, and we need to give them more gibs, send more money and tanks and do 1:1 what Biden's administration is doing to show how democratic and western we are because we're a US colony. It got to the point where I myself got affected by the propaganda and I don't recall the "old narrative" and all the clearly asinine bullshit that Ukrainians and Zelensky were doing before the war that deserves to be shown to remind people that Zelensky is not our friend.

So yeah, I really need a fellow post-Eastern Bloc Slav to refresh my memory on the bullshit Zelensky was up to from his election up to the war where all the media here propped him up as a hero overnight, because we're a US colony.

Tell me, you mentioned in your other post that if you post any slightly Russian leaning comment or anything that isn't pro-Ukraine, you'll get called a Russian bot or something like that, do they gave you the same reaction for mentioning Bandera, Shukevych, The OUN or The UPA? I'll laugh if it was a yes, because imagine some random dude mentioning all the crimes against humanity, especially all the ethnic cleansing against the poles, those four committed as a reason why he didn't support Ukraine, and the only retort they could give was "Muh Russian Bots!!!".

Oh, and found this reply from Piggy. Two days old, but still, considering the recurring topics in his videos, this kind of got a chuckle out of me.

Anyone who's into Vore should have zero rights on making fun of someone's else kink.

 

[ZTZ-99A]

The Chinese ships probably aren't built as "tough" as USN ones, same as Euro ships.

US ships have more steel in them.

The Chinese also have the biggest and most productive shipyards on Earth so they probably don't have to deal with the shit the USN does.

It's a "The Chinese one is probably worse because uhhh it just is okay!?!?" episode. What does the USN need to put up with that the PLAN doesn't? All ships sink when they're hit by ASMs, the Moskva was armoured and 2 Neptunes instantly sank it. The Type 52D is a destroyer, the constellation is a frigate, I see no reason why it'd be more lightly armoured.

Good faith debate about China with Americans challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

 

[Slav Power]

Tell me, you mentioned in your other post that if you post any slightly Russian leaning comment or anything that isn't pro-Ukraine, you'll get called a Russian bot or something like that, do they gave you the same reaction for mentioning Bandera, Shukevych, The OUN or The UPA? I'll laugh if it was a yes, because imagine some random dude mentioning all the crimes against humanity, especially all the ethnic cleansing against the poles, those four committed as a reason why he didn't support Ukraine, and the only retort they could give was "Muh Russian Bots!!!".

The very retarded types online will take you mentioning them as whataboutism, and the extremely retarded ones will instantly insult you with one of the few select insults they got in their firmware update because you're undermining Ukraine's efforts to defend themselves by reminding people that they're not our friends by a long shot. Though from my experience those type of retards are permanently online faggots and otherwise people don't act like that IRL.

It's still extremely retarded and all the propaganda has successfully turned some people into believing that Ukraine is perfect and you cannot criticize it. In Poland of all places, even worse, some people are unironically doing whataboutism of how Poland was oppressing Ukrainians for decades before Wołyń by telling them to learn Polish because they were a part of Second Polish Republic before WW2, therefore nailing toddlers to trees alive, ripping pregnant women's stomachs open alive and other nice things were perfectly justified, because Poland started it first.

No, seriously, people buy into the Ukrainian narrative that Bandera and UPA were the good guys and that Wołyń was justified while not going into details what was the action and what was the reaction. Of course none of these rules apply to Russia. Excuse Ukraine, Germany and every other country that wronged us, say that it's all water under the bridge, but not Russia. Every single historical wrong from Russia is remembered and reminded, but the Ukrainian wrongs are forgiven. Or suck up to modern day Germany that constantly spreads lies in their media about how Poland was the perpetrator of the Holocaust, because West is good and Poland is bad.

This war is what made me distance myself from the Polish speaking part of the Internet because of how mind numbingly braindead it became. I can't go on any Polish video or comment section without the war narrative being thrown around. Not to mention the algorithmic pumping of politics into my feed, because apparently YouTube now does this in every country to make sure everyone gets the right message whenever they're looking for fun videos to relax. At this point I can't tell how much of this faggotry is Kievian trolls, Kremlin trolls, or Poles that completely lost their tiny little minds because of the former two.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's a "The Chinese one is probably worse because uhhh it just is okay!?!?" episode. What does the USN need to put up with that the PLAN doesn't? All ships sink when they're hit by ASMs, the Moskva was armoured and 2 Neptunes instantly sank it. The Type 52D is a destroyer, the constellation is a frigate, I see no reason why it'd be more lightly armoured.

It's called building standards, safety regulations, and steel quality, which are not the same as US standards. And no, not all ships sink. Ever hear of the USS Stark. Oliver Hazard Perry class. Built like a fucking tank. Ate two exocets and made it back home. And got repaired. The moskava can't say the same.

 

[ZTZ-99A]

It's called building standards, safety regulations, and steel quality, which are not the same as US standards. And no, not all ships sink. Ever hear of the Oliver Hazard Perry class. Built like a fucking tank. Ate two exocets and made it back home. And got repaired. The moskava can't say the same.

And the same can't be said for the British ships sank by Exocets, also the Neptune is a lot newer. I thought the Chinese could build good quality ships/subs for the PLA because they're held at gunpoint, has that changed now? Also, one of the Exocets that hit the stark failed to detonate, the other, luckily hit above the waterline, and skilled damage control and a fast rescue response kept them alive.

 

[The Grognard]

Tell me, you mentioned in your other post that if you post any slightly Russian leaning comment or anything that isn't pro-Ukraine, you'll get called a Russian bot or something like that, do they gave you the same reaction for mentioning Bandera, Shukevych, The OUN or The UPA? I'll laugh if it was a yes, because imagine some random dude mentioning all the crimes against humanity, especially all the ethnic cleansing against the poles, those four committed as a reason why he didn't support Ukraine, and the only retort they could give was "Muh Russian Bots!!!".

This pretty much is my experience when dealing with people who haven't taken a proper deep dive into the political clusterfuck that was the interwar period. Then again, these people also wonder why a place that peaked in the 1970's would end up having a lot of Soviet nostalgia, especially after the insanity of the post-Soviet 90's.

The Chinese also have the biggest and most productive shipyards on Earth so they probably don't have to deal with the shit the USN does.

This is what likely will be the main advantage of the PLAN. They are sitting on a massive industrial base that ensures that they can shit out ships like nobody's business.