David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

[JJLiautaud]

If you're going over 7000 tons, which is the weight of a older DESTROYER

Older light cruiser, the Atlantas @ full load were 7400 tons.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Older light cruiser, the Atlantas @ full load were 7400 tons.

Again, it's fucking mental what passes as a frigate anymore. Though half of that is political maneuvering to get more approved on paper. If I was designing a modern frigate with that 7000 ton limit, you couldn't stop me from slapping layers of guns on it for modern drone defense. 20mm phalanx for close, 57 mm- 76mm for mid range, and 100-127mm for long range defense and bombardment capabilities.

If you insist on keeping only 32 vls cells, all are strike length to hold tomahawks, and torpedo tubes are MANDATORY. Also ageis radars, which luckily the Constellation class does have. Might also tack on lasers for extra flavor to really kill drone swarms.

I remember when Publix was debating on whether to rename the chicken kiev due to the War in Ukraine

I remember a few foods that that happened to. It's truly a strange phenomenon. War or crazy shit happens, rename EVERYTHING that APPEARS to be related to the problem. Very puritan tbh.

 

[MyBallsItch]

I remember a few foods that that happened to. It's truly a strange phenomenon. War or crazy shit happens, rename EVERYTHING that APPEARS to be related to the problem. Very puritan tbh.

It's also a thing here in Hungary (only in the inner-Budapest university student circles, but still) where they want to rename everything associated with Moscow. The worst example was probably the Moscow Boulevard in Szeged, which was called that because the city got destroyed in a flood in 1879 and the city of Moscow donated a lot of money to help rebuild. There are also other Boulevards named after other cities that helped, such as Vienna, London and Paris, so it's not even a relic of Soviet times or something.

Since it is rightfully seen as retarded, these initiatives fell through, just like how Kiev is still Kijev in Hungarian despite efforts to change it because all of our historical sources mention it as such, dating all the way back to the 900s and 1000s, way before present day Russia was a thing. Also, while we're at the language, Ukrainian just sounds retarded. In terms of names, Alexei sounds fine, it was derived from the Greek Alexios (meaning warrior), but Oleksii just sounds like you're trying to mock the guy by trying to mimic how you would speak if you had a quadruple chin.

Oh, and found this reply from Piggy. Two days old, but still, considering the recurring topics in his videos, this kind of got a chuckle out of me.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's also a thing here in Hungary (only in the inner-Budapest university student circles, but still) where they want to rename everything associated with Moscow. The worst example was probably the Moscow Boulevard in Szeged, which was called that because the city got destroyed in a flood in 1879 and the city of Moscow donated a lot of money to help rebuild. There are also other Boulevards named after other cities that helped, such as Vienna, London and Paris, so it's not even a relic of Soviet times or something.

Since it is rightfully seen as retarded, these initiatives fell through, just like how Kiev is still Kijev in Hungarian despite efforts to change it because all of our historical sources mention it as such, dating all the way back to the 900s and 1000s, way before present day Russia was a thing. Also, while we're at the language, Ukrainian just sounds retarded. In terms of names, Alexei sounds fine, it was derived from the Greek Alexios (meaning warrior), but Oleksii just sounds like you're trying to mock the guy by trying to mimic how you would speak if you had a quadruple chin.

Oh my gosh, that's happening in the US too with the Francis Scott Key bridge that got hit by Indians. He owned slaves, so they want to rename it when it's rebuilt. Mind you he wrote our national anthem, very important man.

This shit is gay. If it's called Moscow Boulevard because Moscow helped out in the 1800s, and it seems like they helped a lot, under a COMPLETELY different government no less, it should be kept as a historical matter if nothing else.

Oh, and found this reply from Piggy. Two days old, but still, considering the recurring topics in his videos, this kind of got a chuckle out of me.

Sigh. Talking about fetishes of someone else when it's clear he has 1000. Hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Nope, they still haven't finalized the design yet, and USN had intentionally excluded the English latest Type 26(?) frigate design cause it was still a paper design and haven't had an example built. Right now USN probably should have with the English option, as the Constellation is most likely going to be completely different from the FREMM parent design.

From the article "At one point the Constellation design shared about 85 percent commonality with the original FREMM design, but the alterations have brought that commonality down to under 15 percent, a person familiar with the changes told USNI News "



It astounds me what passes as a "frigate" these days. If you're going over 7000 tons, which is the weight of a older DESTROYER, give that bad boy a 5' inch gun as well as a 57mm for drone duty, and up the VLS cells to at least 48. Also give it some torpedo tubes, which it randomly lacks despite having a top tier towed array sonar.
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VL-ASROC let's you have anti sib capabilities with a VLS system. However it takes away cells from SAMs and anti ship missiles

Also the 57mm gun has been almost overtaken by the newest 76mm guns. Same shells, but bigger and the 76mm not has a RoF that's equivalent to older 57mm guns while having a greater shell diversity.

The USCG had issues sinking a drifting Japanese fishing boat with the 57mm gun

 

[WelperHelper99]

From the article "

It astounds me what passes as a "frigate" these days. If you're going over 7000 tons, which is the weight of a older DESTROYER, give that bad boy a 5' inch gun as well as a 57mm for drone duty, and up the VLS cells to at least 48. Also give it some torpedo tubes, which it randomly lacks despite having a top tier towed array sonar.

* bro your post is broken lol.

The navy and coast guard has decided to standardize on 57mm for smaller ships, which is why I said it. And yes I know about ASROCK, bit as you said, it takes cells away. Just slap some torpedo tubes on and call it done, it's a escort ship, not a DD.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

U.S. military already has the license production and logistic pipelines for 57mm and 127mm and is not going back to 76mm. Due to needing to do the licensing for it and setting up production and logistic pipeline for it. Although if Oto Melara wants to pay for everything, then the US Navy would be interested.

 

[Sog Dog]

Oh, and found this reply from Piggy. Two days old, but still, considering the recurring topics in his videos, this kind of got a chuckle out of me.

Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle a nigger I don't know what is.

 

[WelperHelper99]

U.S. military already has the license production and logistic pipelines for 57mm and 127mm and is not going back to 76mm. Due to needing to do the licensing for it and setting up production and logistic pipeline for it. Although if Oto Melara wants to pay for everything, then the US Navy would be interested.

That's basically what I've gathered. They have invested far too much money into 57mm to go back to 76mm. It does make some sense from a political perspective too, since Bofors makes the Mk. 110 gun, and their relationship with Bofors goes WAY back as we all know.

Also the 57mm gun has been almost overtaken by the newest 76mm guns. Same shells, but bigger and the 76mm not has a RoF that's equivalent to older 57mm guns while having a greater shell diversity.

Equivalent to older guns, at 120 rpm. New 57mm guns hit 220. The amount of explosive in the air for a AAA role according to the navy is actually in favor of the 57mm, which against supersonic jets is always a plus.

The USCG had issues sinking a drifting Japanese fishing boat with the 57mm gun

To be fair as well the 57mm is a AA gun first. It still sunk, right?

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

It astounds me what passes as a "frigate" these days. If you're going over 7000 tons, which is the weight of a older DESTROYER, give that bad boy a 5' inch gun as well as a 57mm for drone duty, and up the VLS cells to at least 48. Also give it some torpedo tubes, which it randomly lacks despite having a top tier towed array sonar.

Nobody does tonnage creep like the US Navy. The Atlanta class light cruisers from the early 40s displaced just over 100 tons more than the Constellation. I didn't even realize the new frigates had no torps.

 

[AeroGavin Rossdale]

To be fair as well the 57mm is a AA gun first. It still sunk, right?

Shoulda called it a mission kill and went home.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I give it a 90% chance he spouts that retarded line that "The US involvement in WW2 is greatly over stated" and tries to say that uhm actually it was the British who won the war.

Two words to take the wind right out of any uppity faggot eurotrash's sails; Lend Lease.

And yes, that very much so does include the Soviets.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Nobody does tonnage creep like the US Navy. The Atlanta class light cruisers from the early 40s displaced just over 100 tons more than the Constellation. I didn't even realize the new frigates had no torps.

It's so dumb. And for a mere 32 vls cells, no torpedo tubes, and a single ASW helicopter. With that weight you should have double the cells and two main guns at least.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

The body armor threat is supposedly the justification, which is stupid, because next gen plates will stop ball 6.8x51mm as well, and exotic (i.e. tungsten penetrator) bullets would also allow 5.56 to pen lvl IV. But more importantly, the purpose and function of body armor is not to allow soldiers to shrug off bullets and keep fighting, it's to keep them alive long enough to get medevac'd. Even if the bullet doesn't penetrate your armor, getting shot fucking sucks, and taking a bullet to the arm or leg (which you can't reasonably armor with current technology) is going to take a man out of the fight just fine. A service rifle does not need to be able to crack lvl IV plates at 600m to do its job, which is to suppress the enemy and pin them down so they can be killed or disabled with mortars, artillery, grenades, airstrikes, and all the other indirect fire options that actually inflict casualties.

And body armor can by and large be worked around through a change in training to aim for a belt buckle hold rather than center mass. Getting shot in the groin or lower gut is a really bad time, and it's a relatively tough spot to armor since you either end up with one of those hanger plates that nobody fucking likes or nothing at all.

 

[AeroGavin Rossdale]

Two words to take the wind right out of any uppity faggot eurotrash's sails; Lend Lease.

And yes, that very much so does include the Soviets.

The eternal disrespect of the PTO. It was important guuuys!

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's so dumb. And for a mere 32 vls cells, no torpedo tubes, and a single ASW helicopter. With that weight you should have double the cells and two main guns at least.

I do want to add to this. At least the Constellation has 16(!) Naval Strike Missiles, which are stealth and can target sea AND ground targets. You could always be the Baden-Württemberg frigate the krauts made
7200 tons. Only anti air missile wise is two RAM launchers. Anti ship is Harpoon missiles, which for a brand new top of the line ship is... mediocre. High chance of getting shot down in the year of our lord 2024.

It does have lots of 50 cals and cannons, which make up the bulk of its AA armament. In 2024. The one thing it has going for it is the 127mm main gun from Oto Melera, 32 RPM, can fire VULCANO ammunition to hit out to 100km. Which is why the ship was designed, a sort of half assed bombardment ship, but even then, only one 5 inch gun, and the Harpoons can only target sea targets unless and until they get replaced with something better.

Also it has a list. Being the heaviest frigate in the water, not surprising.

So yeah, if you think the Constellations are a mess, be glad you aren't a German and have to be proud of this... thing. The only good part is that it looks cool.

 

[The Grognard]

And body armor can by and large be worked around through a change in training to aim for a belt buckle hold rather than center mass. Getting shot in the groin or lower gut is a really bad time, and it's a relatively tough spot to armor since you either end up with one of those hanger plates that nobody fucking likes or nothing at all.

I think a lot of people forget it at times but as this current conflict has shown, something like 90 percent of casualties in a proper conflict is caused by crew-served weapons and indirect fire. Thus, individual marksmanship is not that much of a priority compared to the ability to keep rounds going towards the enemy.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

It's so dumb. And for a mere 32 vls cells, no torpedo tubes, and a single ASW helicopter. With that weight you should have double the cells and two main guns at least.

US Navy at this time, doesn't want more VLS cells and gun as that will require design revisions and lengthening the hull to fit them. Torpedoes are too short range for everything compared to cruise missiles.

 

[WelperHelper99]

US Navy at this time, doesn't want more VLS cells and gun as that will require design revisions and lengthening the hull to fit them. Torpedoes are too short range for everything compared to cruise missiles.

There are zero downsides to more vls cells in the fleet. Zero. I agree on the gun, that would take time. As for torpedoes, 324mm torpedoes like a mk54 are meant for anti sub duty. The big 553mm ones are on subs themselves. Those are ship killers. You don't use a Tomahawk to kill a sub, if thats what you meant by cruise missile. And unlike Asrock, you don't need to take up a entire vls cell for one torpedo, just a tiny bit of deck space.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

That's basically what I've gathered. They have invested far too much money into 57mm to go back to 76mm. It does make some sense from a political perspective too, since Bofors makes the Mk. 110 gun, and their relationship with Bofors goes WAY back as we all know.
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Equivalent to older guns, at 120 rpm. New 57mm guns hit 220. The amount of explosive in the air for a AAA role according to the navy is actually in favor of the 57mm, which against supersonic jets is always a plus.

To be fair as well the 57mm is a AA gun first. It still sunk, right?

https://chuckhillscgblog.net/2024/04/21/in-focus-the-bofors-57mm-mk-3-gun-that-equips-the-nscs-and-opcs-navy-lookout-i-think-mad-fires-is-dead/

And

https://www.navylookout.com/in-focus-the-bofors-57mm-mk-3-gun-that-will-equip-the-type-31-frigates/

Vs a 127mm it is a cost cutting exercise although it is probably better at small UAV and USV swarms


The Italian Navy has the correct idea and their FREMM multi mission variant has a 127mm and a 57mm gun and two 25mm guns plus VLS plus torpedo tubes and various machine guns