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Experts find cavemen ate mostly vegan, debunking paleo diet​

A new study has debunked the general meal plan behind the Paleo diet, with findings suggesting that some Stone Age people ate a mostly vegan diet.

According to the Harvard School of Public Health, the Paleo diet was adapted to mimic the nutritional plan adopted until 2000 BC.

“The Paleo diet, also referred to as the caveman or Stone-Age diet, includes lean meats, fish, fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds,” the University explains. “Proponents of the diet emphasise choosing low-glycemic fruits and vegetables.”

Most of the diet is centered around protein intake, promoting the consumption of grass-fed beef for its omega-3 content. In general, the idea is to consume the foods that were available during the Paleolithic period for health benefits since “our genetics and anatomy have changed very little” from that time, per the HSPH.

Now, a study published by the Nature Ecology & Evolution Journal researched and analysed the chemical signatures of the Paleolithic group, the Iberomaurusians, specifically within bones and teeth. Their findings suggest the general idea of meat being the primary source of protein during this time isn’t valid.

Stable isotope analysis was used, focusing on the nitrogen and zinc isotopes in teeth enamel and collagen to look at the meat consumption associated with the Iberomaurusians, as well as carbon isotopes to discover whether meat or fish was the primary source of protein.

“Our analysis showed that these hunter-gatherer groups, they included an important amount of plant matter, wild plants to their diet, which changed our understanding of the diet of pre-agricultural populations,” Zineb Moubtahij, the lead author for the study stated.

Additionally, researchers saw an abundance of cavities in the buried remains in the Taforalt caves, the places where Iberomaurusians would lay the dead to rest. According to the study, these cavities suggested the consumption of “fermentable starchy plants” like beets, corn, rye, and cassava.

Klervia Jaouen, a co-author of the study, noted that the “high proportion of plants in the diet of a pre-agricultural population” was “unusual”. However, their findings weren’t indicative of the protein intake for all individuals in the Stone Age.

Still, Jaouen pointed out that this was the first finding by isotope techniques that saw a “significant plant-based component in a Palaeolithic diet”.
 
Klervia Jaouen, a co-author of the study, noted that the “high proportion of plants in the diet of a pre-agricultural population” was “unusual”. However, their findings weren’t indicative of the protein intake for all individuals in the Stone Age.

Still, Jaouen pointed out that this was the first finding by isotope techniques that saw a “significant plant-based component in a Palaeolithic diet”.
TLDR: The whole opening of the article is literally just the author editorializing and not actually what the study says.

Total Journalist Death cannot come soon enough.
 
At no point in history have humans ever had anything remotely resembling a vegan diet. Highly vegetarian maybe but vegan is something else entirely and an absurdly stupid claim for a hunter-gatherer society

“The Paleo diet, also referred to as the caveman or Stone-Age diet, includes lean meats, fish, fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds,” the University explains.
Lean meats my ass. Humans of the era would have eaten as much fatty meat as they could get their hands on

Even by journo standards this 'study' is fucking retarded. Humans hunted as often as possible, both for food and materials needed to make tools and clothing. These idiots clearly forgot that part
 
Gathering to shit on this article:

This is a massive generalization of alleged diets over which area, exactly???

Northern Morocco?

Something tells me they didn't eat a lot of corn or cassava there.

Humans are successful because we can eat almost anything. It's not a shocker to imagine that most people through space and time ate mostly plants. A lot of world cuisines today use meat as more of a seasoning factor than the bulk of the dish, but very few cultures turn down a hunk of meat when they can get it.

I posit that eggs are universal across cultures. Apparently there a couple hardcore vegan sects in India who don't do the egg thing, but everyone else partakes.

Veganism is always for moral/religious reasons and not taste preference.
 
Explain this, Science Fags

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TLDR: The whole opening of the article is literally just the author editorializing and not actually what the study says.

Total Journalist Death cannot come soon enough.
I almost didn’t click on this specifically because this was my base assumption going into it. The headline for this thread told me practically everything I needed to know about the validity of the claims and from there I was able to extrapolate the rest from past experience. It never really changes and there’s so much of this brand of lying and cognitive dissonance going around lately.
 
that some Stone Age people ate a mostly vegan diet.
"vegan"
According to the Harvard School of Public Health, the Paleo diet was adapted to mimic the nutritional plan adopted until 2000 BC.
NUTRITIONAL PLAN
cavemen had a fucking NUTRITIONAL PLAN
ACCORDING TO HARVARD
This is ChatGPT. This is ChatGPT substututing "nutritional plan" for "diet", I refuse to believe even j*urnos could be this retarded.

Klervia Jaouen, a co-author of the study, noted that the “high proportion of plants in the diet of a pre-agricultural population” was “unusual”.
The soyentists appear to be ok, this mystery meat says outright the high proportion of plants they found is UNUSUAL. Meaning, cavemen around the world typically ate MORE meat than the specific group they studied.
 
No human population ever historically had a vegan diet. The study shows a higher than expected proportion of plant matter in the diet, NOT a vegan diet. They would have eaten whatever protein they could get their hands on.
Hunter gatherers do eat plants, and plenty of them, the idea that they all ate solely meat is nonsense and not something that’s accepted by people who study this at all, it’s purely projection.

The usual HG pattern is the women and kids stay close to wherever you’re camped and forage - this contributes the bulk of the tribes calories and tends to be plants and low quality protein or small amounts. - the women and kids will be browsing through berry bushes, picking hazelnuts, digging up tubers and foraging wild plants. That’s the bulk of your diet. The men Tend to range further and bring back the high quality game but more sporadically. It’s risky and hard to hunt bigger stuff and if the caribou aren’t migrating the same route this year you’re fucked and you rely on the roots and the berries and maybe the odd egg or cockles and mussels from seashore browsing.
A pure meat / almost pure meat diet is found in some groups, some Masai used to live off milk and blood and Arctic peoples had a very large proportion of fish, sea mammals etc. but the bulk of peoples took what they could get. NONE EVER were vegan. Plenty had a LOT of plants in the diet. That’s actually one of the failings of modern diets - you look at what people used to eat and it was dozens and dozens of different plants as a contribution. But never vegan
And a quote from the actual paper:
However, it must be stressed that the Taforalt humans studied here were not strict vegetalians, as isotopic offsets between the δ15N and δ66Zn herbivore and human values are documented and because zooarchaeological data indicate that animal protein was consumed. In particular, cut marks were observed on the faunal assemblage, mostly on Barbary sheep but also on gazelle, equid, large bovines and hartebeest24
 
Man it sure is weird how these scientists and "experts" can tell the exact temperature it was on June 22nd 300 million years ago and what Grug and Brug ate for dinner but can't figure out anything actually important.
If you find a really good site, you can absolutely tell what was on the menu in the fall of ~600 in northern Germany.

Spoiler: Mostly a few staple plants, some leafy greens, some root vegetables, seeds and nuts, fruits and berries, fish, possible frogs or snails, small mammals, the occasional large mammal, and any bird they could catch.

The specifics may vary from site to site, but this is absolutely what was on the menu. We can tell with total certainty. You can take it to the bank.

Useful?
 
This is some really bad pop science bullshit based on a strawman. Nobody actually thinks cavemen ate nothing but meat besides retards like the author of this article. But it is 100% factual that they ate a high proportion of meat, especially fatty meats, in their diet simply because there weren't enough harvestable plants available at a given time of year to feed their people. If they tried to subsist on plants alone, they'd starve and suffer nutritional deficiencies. Hell, they'd probably be dead for other reasons since animals were how they got the bones for their tools and furs for their clothes.

This is confirmed over and over again in the anthropological literature, but Redditors and vegans want to get one over those damn dirty bloodmouths by saying we're all AKSHUALLY naturally vegan.
Something tells me they didn't eat a lot of corn or cassava there.
These are the remains of da white devil (who lived in caves before he learned tricknology) being fed scraps from the tables of these ancient kangz and kweenz who crossed the ocean to get the tasty wild ancestors of cassava and corn from Mexico
I posit that eggs are universal across cultures. Apparently there a couple hardcore vegan sects in India who don't do the egg thing, but everyone else partakes.
Jains and some Hindus don't eat eggs. There's also Islamic (IIRC) records that claim a bunch of Berber tribes in Morocco refused eggs too out of some pagan belief.
 
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