Has search gotten worse?

[HahaYes]

what search engines do you guys use now?

I host my own searxng instance, imo it's fantastic. Highly recommend you either do the same or use one from the public list.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Seems I'm seeing that annoying-looking ice-fishing creature more and more on Google these days.

(that "no results found" BS)

 

[TheHarbinger]

I was looking for a picture of a labrador and most results i was getting were AI images.

This is obvious search engine manipulation. Images that are the standard results for decades of search are now replaced with AI generated nonsense in the last year. The search engines are no longer returning historical results but artificially returning recently made images to the top of the results and pushing down everything else into obscurity. It's like the most viewed images are being culled to make room for inferior results.

It's exactly how social media is constantly pushing for 'new' instead of properly organizing things. Now the search engines just shove the newest results into your face and block you from viewing what were the standard returns on any search that were consistent over the last two decades. In order to properly find videos on YouTube you are better off using an external search engine.

 

[Peewee Herman]

I host my own searxng instance, imo it's fantastic. Highly recommend you either do the same or use one from the public list.

Thank you so much for recommending this search engine it is a vast improvement from Duckduckgo and is my main search engine now.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The search engines are no longer returning historical results but artificially returning recently made images to the top of the results and pushing down everything else into obscurity.

In other words, yet another attempt to "cancel" the time before Current Year?

 

[Susanna]

In other words, yet another attempt to "cancel" the time before Current Year?

No, it’s simply a matter of revenue. If you find what you’re looking for with the first search, they can only show you ads once. If you instead have to make multiple searches to find what you’re looking for, they can show you ads multiple times. They have a financial incentive to make search worse, but not so much worse that users will switch to yandex or bing.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

This is obvious search engine manipulation. Images that are the standard results for decades of search are now replaced with AI generated nonsense in the last year. The search engines are no longer returning historical results but artificially returning recently made images to the top of the results and pushing down everything else into obscurity. It's like the most viewed images are being culled to make room for inferior results.

It's exactly how social media is constantly pushing for 'new' instead of properly organizing things. Now the search engines just shove the newest results into your face and block you from viewing what were the standard returns on any search that were consistent over the last two decades. In order to properly find videos on YouTube you are better off using an external search engine.

AI content is heavily botted more than anything else right now too, even NFT astroturf doesn't come close. The AI companies themselves are spending millions sponsoring spam content telling pajeets how to make more spam using their bullshit apps.

Social media platforms welcome it because they love bloated fake growth statistics they can use to to scam investors so on every side things are only going to get worse and no one will work to make it better for actual users.

Buttlerian jihad now

 

[Susanna]

AI content is heavily botted more than anything else right now too, even NFT astroturf doesn't come close. The AI companies themselves are spending millions sponsoring spam content telling pajeets how to make more spam using their bullshit apps.

Social media platforms welcome it because they love bloated fake growth statistics they can use to to scam investors so on every side things are only going to get worse and no one will work to make it better for actual users.

Buttlerian jihad now

Even my own company’s IT department published a news bulletin (itself clearly written by AI) about how to use GPT4 to work more efficiently. I had to call them and point out all the security reasons for why we absolutely cannot use a cloud AI solution, let alone one controlled by the west, to make them pull it. I’m pretty sure someone got fired over that one.
Letting the AI do all the work so you only need to proofread it is a really attractive proposal, which makes LLM schemes a lot more persuasive than “you can spend real money on electricity to make a blockchain say you own a given URL” or whatever it was NFTs were.

 

[HahaYes]

my own company’s IT department published a news bulletin (itself clearly written by AI) about how to use GPT4 to work more efficiently.

If your IT department didn't run that sort of thing by the rest of the internal teams before publishing they're a pack of chimps. Ideally the security and/or risk team (really depends on your business structure) should have an advisor that's across any and all publications in corporate newsletters to avoid shit like this happening. AI is only really good as for assistance in the absolute best case scenario right now (talking copilot and other products like that), and even then personally I've found it to be extremely mediocre. A good honest dig around and some common sense will still get you far better results if you're looking for an answer while troubleshooting/working on something than relying on a product that's just glorified ML in its current state.

 

[Null]

bro google is SO FUCKING BAD



WHEN I USE STRING LITERALS IN SEARCH I EXPECT LITERAL SEARCH RESULTS

I put in SerializeCQL and it autocorrected to "serializer" because that's a more popular library, but then I put it in quotes and it corrected it AGAIN to the SAME FUCKING THING.

 

[Jacknife]

bro google is SO FUCKING BAD

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WHEN I USE STRING LITERALS IN SEARCH I EXPECT LITERAL SEARCH RESULTS

I put in SerializeCQL and it autocorrected to "serializer" because that's a more popular library, but then I put it in quotes and it corrected it AGAIN to the SAME FUCKING THING.

This is such a nigger antichrist thing.

Modern technology has this issue where it constantly tries to patronize it's user.

"Hey do you want to be constantly spied and surveiled?.If yes please click this large, colorful, prominent button! No don't click the advanced button because that is where we hid the 'no' button"

 

[geckogoy]

I bet it also saves money to make your results more generic. For instance hypothetically, if you never had to leave RAM (and your whole concept of reality is pruned to fit in that space) then the machine doesn't have to spend as much of its time working on the result.

Though TBH seems like google has been trying to chop off the long tail for 10+ years now and it feels like there is probably some ulterior motive to it, they weren't always cash strapped but probably are now. IDK what it might be

 

[Merton J. Dingle]

10 years ago I never would have guessed that instead of using Google as my sole search engine that I would literally be using five search engines: Bing for general search results, Google through the Circle to Search feature on mobile (when I need to check something on the page really quick), Yandex for results that don't necessarily conform to the corpo narrative, All the Internet for a mixture of results from large, medium, and smallish websites, and Wiby for finding unique smaller sites. And now I'm thinking I need to use Searx and DDG more...

Anyone else finding that the number of search engines that they use has greatly expanded in recent years?

 

[alpha889boba]

bro google is SO FUCKING BAD

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WHEN I USE STRING LITERALS IN SEARCH I EXPECT LITERAL SEARCH RESULTS

I put in SerializeCQL and it autocorrected to "serializer" because that's a more popular library, but then I put it in quotes and it corrected it AGAIN to the SAME FUCKING THING.

Its not a real solution to google's ever growing shit, but if you go under tools, and change "All results" to "verbatim" it drops that stupid "showing results for" bullshit.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

SEME and machine learning is the synagogue's replacement for the 4th Estate Media TV. The television falling by the wayside drove them into action. You have government-contracting Google buying out Youtube AT COST to use it for Context creation and control. And what's the bullshit you get met with underneath every non-kosher youtube video? A tramp stamp link to a ministry of truth rag (wikipedia). At the very least they've made it blatantly obvious to anyone with even the slightest awareness that shit is fucked and propagandized into near obsolescence.

10 years ago I never would have guessed that instead of using Google as my sole search engine that I would literally be using five search engines: Bing for general search results, Google through the Circle to Search feature on mobile (when I need to check something on the page really quick), Yandex for results that don't necessarily conform to the corpo narrative, All the Internet for a mixture of results from large, medium, and smallish websites, and Wiby for finding unique smaller sites. And now I'm thinking I need to use Searx and DDG more...

Anyone else finding that the number of search engines that they use has greatly expanded in recent years?

Yandex is pretty much for searches I know Google will never give me good information on.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

WHEN I USE STRING LITERALS IN SEARCH I EXPECT LITERAL SEARCH RESULTS

Modern technology has this issue where it constantly tries to patronize it's user.

Before Current Year, search engines tried to look for what you entered. Clown World search engines try to look for what the algorithm "thinks" you "really meant to" search.

 

[Barry McKockner]

What are you fellow yellow birds using for reverse image searches to find people's shit nowadays? Google has failed me and Yandex doesn't seem to be returning anything but shit in russian.

 

[Zero MK 2]

I am so fucking sick of "NIGGERS ARE OPPRESSED THIS", "NIGGERS ARE OPPRESSED THAT" and the constant race politics being spammed into completely unrelated internet searches. Kill all niggers Kill all glowniggers Kill all enablers. Fuck off and die. I have the right to exist in this world too.

 

[Space Pope]

Also, Kagi just added the ability to do inline youtube video summaries without leaving the search page. This feature is blowing my god damn mind right now and it's been really useful to skip over clickbait and nonsense when I'm looking for something specific.



I change my position from earlier in this thread.

SEARCH IS GETTING BETTER NOW

I've been using Kagi for nearly a year, and it's been great while I'm in grad school. I've even been paying for the ultimate tier to experiment with the advanced AI models and API, and I'm satisfied with the value for the price at the moment. It will be hard to justify the cost when I'm done with school, but it will be even harder to go back to using anything.

 

[Peewee Herman]

Recently looked up something related to the stock market on my new normie phone (I haven't deleted android yet or even gotten rid of chrome) and I got 5 FUCKING ADS in a row on my search and 15 more fucking sponsored pages and after scrolling for 5 minutes I failed to find anything I was looking for. All of the sources were from 5 different websites and lasted for multiple pages, it was all AI generated fuckshit and most of the info in the sites I clicked was just a repeat of the first 10 sponsored results. Google is literally unusable at this point and between this, gemini, and the data scraping I think the complete failure of it's search feature might finally be the straw to break the normies back and end Google's hellish monopoly.

Here's hoping when Google shits the bed retards don't repeat what lead us here in the first place and are pony up the money it takes to fund a private search engine and video hosting site.