Science Scientists tried to give people COVID — and failed - When nobody developed a sustained infection, the researchers increased the dose by more and more in subsequent groups of participants, until they reached a level 10,000 times the initial dose.

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01 May 2024

Scientists tried to give people COVID — and failed​

Researchers deliberately infect participants with SARS-CoV-2 in ‘challenge’ trials — but high levels of immunity complicate efforts to test vaccines and treatments.
By Ewen Callaway

When Paul Zimmer-Harwood volunteered to be intentionally infected with SARS-CoV-2, he wasn’t sure what to expect. He was ready for a repeat of his first brush with COVID-19, through a naturally acquired infection that gave him influenza-like symptoms. But he hoped his immunity would help him feel well enough to use the indoor bicycle trainer that he had brought into quarantine.

It turned out that Zimmer-Harwood, a PhD student at University of Oxford, UK, had nothing to worry about. Neither he nor any of the 35 other people who participated in the ‘challenge’ trial actually got COVID-19.

The study’s results, published on 1 May in Lancet Microbe1, raise questions about the usefulness of COVID-19 challenge trials for testing vaccines, drugs and other therapeutics. “If you can’t get people infected, then you can’t test those things,” says Tom Peacock, a virologist at Imperial College London. Viral strains used in challenge trials take many months to produce, making it impossible to match emerging circulating variants that can overcome high levels of existing immunity in populations.

Researchers use challenge trials to understand infections and quickly test vaccines and therapies. In March 2021, after months of ethical debate, UK researchers launched the world’s first COVID-19 challenge trial. The study2 identified a minuscule dose of the SARS-CoV-2 strain that circulated in the early days of the pandemic that could infect about half of the participants, who had not previously been infected with the virus (at that time, vaccines weren’t yet widely available).

In parallel, a team led by Helen McShane, an infectious-disease researcher at Oxford, launched a second SARS-CoV-2 challenge study in people — including Zimmer-Harwood — who had recovered from naturally caught SARS-CoV-2 infections, caused by a range of variants. The trial later enrolled participants who had also been vaccinated.

Evolving strains​

The first participants got the same tiny dose of the ‘ancestral’ SARS-CoV-2 strain as did those in the first trial. When nobody developed a sustained infection, the researchers increased the dose by more and more in subsequent groups of participants, until they reached a level 10,000 times the initial dose. A few volunteers developed short-lived infections, but these quickly vanished.

“We were quite surprised,” says Susan Jackson, a study clinician at Oxford and co-author of the latest study. “Moving forward, if you want a COVID challenge study, you’re going to have to find a dose that infects people.”

Despite their immunity to the ancestral strains, nearly 40% of the participants experienced an Omicron infection after being released from quarantine by December 2022, and one even got it twice.

An ongoing COVID-19 challenge trial at Imperial College London, in which participants have been exposed to the Delta SARS-CoV-2 variant, has also encountered problems with infecting participants reliably, says Christopher Chiu, an immunologist and infectious-disease physician at Imperial who is leading that trial and was involved in the other challenge trials. Some participants have experienced infections, but probably not enough for a study testing whether a vaccine works, adds Chiu.

“We need a challenge strain that’s more representative of what’s circulating in the community,” says Anna Durbin, a vaccine scientist at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland, who was a member of the board that oversaw the safety of the latest ‘reinfection’ trial.
Viral strains used in challenge trials are produced under stringent conditions, a process that can take six months or longer, say scientists, making it impossible to match circulating variants perfectly. McShane and Chiu are readying a challenge trial using the BA.5 Omicron subvariant that emerged in 2022.

Raising doses​

Researchers are looking at other ways to give people COVID-19. Jackson says that an even higher SARS-CoV-2 dose might be needed — one similar to doses used in influenza challenge trials, in which participants have substantial immunity. Another method could be giving participants multiple doses. Chiu says that his team is exploring the possibility of screening potential participants to identify those with low levels of immune protection against the BA.5 variant and any future challenge strains.

Chiu is leading a consortium that in March was awarded US$57 million by the European Union and CEPI, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations in Oslo, to use challenge trials to test inhaled and intranasal COVID-19 vaccines that might also block transmission. He’s hopeful that such changes to trial protocols will do the trick. “What you really want is a model that replicates a genuine infection and ideally one that cause some symptoms,” he adds.

Zimmer-Harwood, who also works for a non-profit organization that advocates for challenge trials and their participants, says he would welcome changes that make COVID-19 challenge trials more useful to researchers — even if that means a bit less time on the bicycle trainer.

doi: https://doi.org/10.1038/d41586-024-01284-1

References​

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And here people called me a monster because I wouldn't inject an experimental substance in myself to fight a virus we knew nothing about, only to find out it was unnecessary because we can develop immunities to like most people that weren't shady fucks benefiting pharmaceutical profits with side effects we couldn't possibly understand yet were saying. Hm, almost like this whole push to put an unstudied substance in our bodies wasn't a good idea after all.
 
"The study’s results, published on 1 May in Lancet Microbe1, raise questions about the usefulness of COVID-19 challenge trials for testing vaccines, drugs and other therapeutics."

The journal Nature is now too stupid to realize that the real question is, "why would you need to test drugs, vaccines, and other therapeutics for a virus that can't infect anyone?"
 
There was an old flu study back during the Spanish flu that found something very similar. They just couldn’t infect people.
It amuses me that their conclusion is ‘vaccine based immunity.’
ETA: here is the paper. https://www.jstor.org/stable/4574984?seq=1
They tried to infect people with what was then called ‘pfeiffers bacillius’ which we now know is H. Influenzae which is a bacterium. So perhaps those experiments were somehow killing any viral particles? But read on; they then used secretions from the nasal passages and pharynx of men with active influenza. So that would have been teeming with virus. Still no infection. They went as far as to get people they knew had never had the flu and get them to be coughed all over and have scrapings from the mucous of a five flu patients at various disease stages. Still no transmission.

Which is odd, and I e never heard any convincing explanation for what was going on.
Another odd thing is that there was a case of some Antarctic researchers who had been in total isolation for over nine months who all suddenly got a bad cold. This should not be possible. Again, never heard a decent explanation
 
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There was an old flu study back during the Spanish flu that found something very similar. They just couldn’t infect people.
It amuses me that their conclusion is ‘vaccine based immunity.’
ETA: here is the paper. https://www.jstor.org/stable/4574984?seq=1
They tried to infect people with what was then called ‘pfeiffers bacillius’ which we now know is H. Influenzae which is a bacterium. So perhaps those experiments were somehow killing any viral particles? But read on; they then used secretions from the nasal passages and pharynx of men with active influenza. So that would have been teeming with virus. Still no infection. They went as far as to get people they knew had never had the flu and get them to be coughed all over and have scrapings from the mucous of a five flu patients at various disease stages. Still no transmission.

Which is odd, and I e never heard any convincing explanation for what was going on.
Another odd thing is that there was a case of some Antarctic researchers who had been in total isolation for over nine months who all suddenly got a bad cold. This should not be possible. Again, never heard a decent explanation
I have a suspicion that I stole from a conspiracy theory from insane people: I think some colds are not colds. I think there is a not-yet-understood phenomenon where human bodies get "colds" but there's no actual pathogen; similar to phantom pregnancies.
Why? How? Beats me. I just have this feeling about it.
It's like how the feeling of "getting sick" is the feeling of your immune response kicking off, maybe it can go off on its own.
 
Which is odd, and I e never heard any convincing explanation for what was going on.
Another odd thing is that there was a case of some Antarctic researchers who had been in total isolation for over nine months who all suddenly got a bad cold. This should not be possible. Again, never heard a decent explanation
Well, call me crazy for this but there's an idea that the body goes through cycles to regulate itself. Sometimes cold symptoms are not colds, viruses, or pathogens, but rather the body regulating its own immune system. Think like a starting a car to make sure it runs after it's been sitting for awhile. Thats why certain people seem to get sick around the same time every single year for the entirety of their lives. Their bodies are just going through their immune systems natural regulatory period. It's possible that due to isolation and similar conditions, multiple people's immune systems synchronized and went through the same cycle. Periods will synchronize, why wouldn't other bodily cyclical processes?

In Eastern medicine, your body goes through natural cycles every single day and your morning, noon, and night energies are all different. They make up the basic premises of dimmock. It's not out of the realm of possibilities for humans to have various cyclical processes throughout a year that we just don't understand yet. Our bodies are more dynamic than I think western medicine truly gives it credit for.
 
There was an old flu study back during the Spanish flu that found something very similar. They just couldn’t infect people.
It amuses me that their conclusion is ‘vaccine based immunity.’
ETA: here is the paper. https://www.jstor.org/stable/4574984?seq=1
They tried to infect people with what was then called ‘pfeiffers bacillius’ which we now know is H. Influenzae which is a bacterium. So perhaps those experiments were somehow killing any viral particles? But read on; they then used secretions from the nasal passages and pharynx of men with active influenza. So that would have been teeming with virus. Still no infection. They went as far as to get people they knew had never had the flu and get them to be coughed all over and have scrapings from the mucous of a five flu patients at various disease stages. Still no transmission.

Which is odd, and I e never heard any convincing explanation for what was going on.
Another odd thing is that there was a case of some Antarctic researchers who had been in total isolation for over nine months who all suddenly got a bad cold. This should not be possible. Again, never heard a decent explanation
Diseases are caused by ghosts in the blood. They get in when you think evil thoughts.
 
The journal Nature is now too stupid to realize that the real question is, "why would you need to test drugs, vaccines, and other therapeutics for a virus that can't infect anyone?"
...Justifying the funding they get from the system of course. Kind of like the "divert hate" program the government has the corpos playing along with. Like DIE and BRIDGE.
 
Which is odd, and I e never heard any convincing explanation for what was going on.
I figure the most plausible explanation is they already had natural immunity to the virus for whatever reasons. The H1N1 that caused the Spanish Flu was circulating before the pandemic so it's possible they had prior exposure to that or another strain similar enough to get the immune response, just like how people who had the Spanish Flu still had some immunity to swine flu in 2009.

Genetics, blood type and other health conditions definitely play a role in how vulnerable you are to being infected with diseases too and I think are not studied enough for that purpose. For example, I'm more likely to get cholera and less likely to get malaria due to my blood type. Easier to prevent cholera so I think that's a net win.

Another odd thing is that there was a case of some Antarctic researchers who had been in total isolation for over nine months who all suddenly got a bad cold. This should not be possible. Again, never heard a decent explanation
One possibility is someone was an asymptomatic carrier of that cold virus and the harsh conditions in Antarctica made them and the rest more vulnerable to it becoming an active infection and spreading than they normally would be.

Still not a very good explanation since it doesn't explain why they wouldn't have some kind of immunity from prior exposure to the carrier shedding less significant amounts of the virus. It could also be some unknown organism that's only extant in Antarctica but not elsewhere, like The Thing.
 
I figure the most plausible explanation is they already had natural immunity to the virus for whatever reasons.
That is certainly possible. They did try to get men who had no history of having the flu at all thoigh. But yes it is possible that all the subjects had had exposure or a totally symptomatic infection. It’s still a paper that made me think.
One possibility is someone was an asymptomatic carrier of that cold virus and the harsh conditions in Antarctica made them and the rest more vulnerable to it becoming an active infection and spreading than they normally would be.
That kind of isn’t possible, they’d all been isolated for nine months and been healthy. You shouldn’t be able to incubate a cold for that long, you’d have it and get over it. You start wondering if cold viruses can travel on the surface of airborne dust particles.
 
So their conclusion is.....vaccine based immunity.....for a vaccine that by all accounts does not prevent you from catching it or transmitting it

These retards shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a patient, let alone be testing anything on anyone
I know I’ve said it about a hundred times, but the last few years has been an absolute mind fuck for me. Few of my previous assumptions have held.
 
So their conclusion is.....vaccine based immunity.....for a vaccine that by all accounts does not prevent you from catching it or transmitting it

These retards shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a patient, let alone be testing anything on anyone
Look just because a vaccine doesn't work and may kill you doesn't mean you shouldn't give all your money to Pfizer.
 
Again, never heard a decent explanation
The entire electrical system of biology is always just seen as a posterior phenomenon, even though it's been known since the advent of man-made electricity that it's quite the opposite.

Fields are complicated to deal with, so ignoring them is the easy way. I'm glad this is the case because that stuff is really spooky.

 
That is certainly possible. They did try to get men who had no history of having the flu at all thoigh. But yes it is possible that all the subjects had had exposure or a totally symptomatic infection. It’s still a paper that made me think.
Definitely the challenge with that one is the viral origin of influenza wasn't known at the time so it could very well have been something else alongside the flu. If they went off of never having the flu at all, that could be part of it.

That kind of isn’t possible, they’d all been isolated for nine months and been healthy. You shouldn’t be able to incubate a cold for that long, you’d have it and get over it. You start wondering if cold viruses can travel on the surface of airborne dust particles.
It doesn't seem implausible, if it's bound to a particle with dust and water that'd protect it from a lot of UV radiation and other stuff that would otherwise inactivate it. Certainly raises some interesting questions for comets and asteroids from other planets and how they may have influenced life on Earth, even if it's extinct now on Venus or Mars.
 
The entire electrical system of biology is always just seen as a posterior phenomenon, even though it's been known since the advent of man-made electricity that it's quite the opposite.

Fields are complicated to deal with, so ignoring them is the easy way. I'm glad this is the case because that stuff is really spooky.

There's a lot modern medicine simply doesn't talk about because it's not in its wheelhouse. Scientists are just finding out now that muscle development corresponds to living a longer life, as an example. In reality, though martial artists in the east have forms specifically designed for the sole purpose of increasing your lifespan. The idea behind them being that you're forcing blood into parts of your body that don't receive circulation as well and aligned with certain times of the day, can improve your circulatory system.
 
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