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MetokurGroomedMe said:
i think the question is more, is trump actually interested in doing it, has he made it something he's going to do once he's in office, has he even mentioned it. those are important questions if you intend on seeing this project pushed through and not simply the wet dream of someone like charlie kirk.
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That was exactly what I was getting at.

I love Trump, but I love him mostly as a vote to throw a hand grenade into the establishment. I don't know that the guy has any coherent plan.

That being said, I like how he does when he just goes off the cuff. The four years we had with him were 4 great years.
 
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Rykel22 said:
I don't think Trump really knew just how deep the rot went. He expected people to do what he told them to, because that's how it's supposed to work. And failing that, could fire those that weren't doing their jobs.
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I think it runs deeper than that. I think he expected them to be rational actors and it to be a game of deal-making and push and shove. Something he's well-equipped to handle. What he ran into was more akin to religious dogma or an ethnostate where he was the outsider and anything he did was viewed as an occupier invading their rightful territory.

He's from New York real estate - he understands corruption. Corrupt people demand you grease their palms to do something. These were people who would rather burn the house down with them in it than share it with someone not in the club. Putin has expressed similar views on dealing with Washington - that these people don't understand compromise or deal-making, only absolute hegemony.
 
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Your Girlfriend's Dad said:
That was exactly what I was getting at.

I love Trump, but I love him mostly as a vote to throw a hand grenade into the establishment. I don't know that the guy has any coherent plan.

That being said, I like how he does when he just goes off the cuff. The four years we had with him were 4 great years.
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Aye, that's the real question, isn't it?

What would Trump do once he gets in? It's increasingly clear there will be no compromises, and they're using all the soft power they got to try and get him off the voting booth. If he hesitates or allows himself to be stonewalled, then I think the future of the American state as it is now is very dim.
 
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Kane Lives said:
Aye, that's the real question, isn't it?

What would Trump do once he gets in? It's increasingly clear there will be no compromises, and they're using all the soft power they got to try and get him off the voting booth. If he hesitates or allows himself to be stonewalled, then I think the future of the American state as it is now is very dim.
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Generally I see only two end results:
1. Trump saves the nation
2. Guillotines
 
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Kane Lives said:
Aye, that's the real question, isn't it?

What would Trump do once he gets in? It's increasingly clear there will be no compromises, and they're using all the soft power they got to try and get him off the voting booth. If he hesitates or allows himself to be stonewalled, then I think the future of the American state as it is now is very dim.
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Realistically, not much. But what he -won't- do is make the situation worse, giving 4 years for a resurgent right-wing and a populace increasingly aware of the level of fuckery in the country to entrench themselves.

Dismantling the Uniparty Machine will be a long project, but just having periods where the opposing force to it can dig in and grow is incredibly useful.
 
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Gehenna said:
Realistically, not much. But what he -won't- do is make the situation worse, giving 4 years for a resurgent right-wing and a populace increasingly aware of the level of fuckery in the country to entrench themselves.

Dismantling the Uniparty Machine will be a long project, but just having periods where the opposing force to it can dig in and grow is incredibly useful.
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you don't bomb a forward position expecting the enemy to be totally defeated, you bomb it so you have time for your forces to hunker down, exactly like you said. good take on the whole thing. reserved without being defeatist. realism is key to winning any political victory against a long-standing opponent like the cathedral.
 
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Your Girlfriend's Dad said:
I must have missed it. Is Project 2025 part of Trump's campaign promises or something?
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Project 2025 is just griftworks by the Heritage Foundation. It’s not a campaign promise by Trump and isn’t even allowed to endorse him because of election rules. One of its goals is to ban abortion at the national level. It’s not actually about dismantling the tyranny of unelected government officers.
 
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Your Girlfriend's Dad said:
That was exactly what I was getting at.

I love Trump, but I love him mostly as a vote to throw a hand grenade into the establishment. I don't know that the guy has any coherent plan.

That being said, I like how he does when he just goes off the cuff. The four years we had with him were 4 great years.
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It was a Bernie wrench or a Donald wrench. We picked the right one. The other ended up being a faggot.
 
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TheDarknessGrows said:
It was a Bernie wrench or a Donald wrench. We picked the right one. The other ended up being a faggot.
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If Bernie wasn't an obvious plant, he'd have actually be an interesting nuclear option for the system. If he'd gotten any of his main campaign platforms in, he'd basically dismantle the entire economic house of cards, hard. That house of cards feeds the uniparty bullshit, and keeps the normies modestly complacent. Destroying the investor or rental markets meanwhile would obliterate their support base from both the wealthy and the plebs, and nuke out the coffers of the uniparty.

The collateral would be huge because the entire economy would implode and have to reform itself, but we're already in a situation where its just a matter of when it goes to shit, not if it goes to shit.
 
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Rykel22 said:
I don't think Trump really knew just how deep the rot went. He expected people to do what he told them to, because that's how it's supposed to work. And failing that, could fire those that weren't doing their jobs.
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Trump went in there expecting corrupt money hungry, power hungry people that he could deal with because he's dealt with them all his life. Instead he found a group of satanic pedophiles hell-bent on destroying the planet and it's population through selective control. He found another group of people actively trying to usurp the Constitution. He found the CIA that acted as a DeFacto government. He found various groups of individuals in the pockets of various countries, sometimes several at once. None of them had money or power in mind or if they did, they were only loyal and subservient to specific foreign masters. He expected the deep state cabal to be there, what he didn't expect was 20 other groups who all wanted different things. Some wanted complete digital global enslavement. The FDA hellbent on controlling the world's food supply. The EPA hellbent on controlling humans through green energy they only control. Etc. etc. I think in a few years we'll find out what Trump was truly up against and you shouldn't be surprised to find out they were people long past the brink of what anybody would call sane.

Betonhaus said:
Generally I see only two end results:
1. Trump saves the nation
2. Guillotines
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I mean, I absolutely root for the guillotines. I've been saying it to everyone I know, but guillotines are the only way we get out of this. Maybe not killing the people in the deep state, but rendering them powerless by getting rid of their pawns. People like Alvin Bragg, Fani Willis, Colonel Vindman, Mark Zaid, Schiff, Steele, Stormy, Engoron, etc. all of these people need to actually be publicly executed with guillotine. They need to be tried and either imprisoned for life or given the death penalty. Which they absolutely deserve. The rest can be outed because they're cowards.
 
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Party Hat Wurmple said:
I mean, I absolutely root for the guillotines. I've been saying it to everyone I know, but guillotines are the only way we get out of this. Maybe not killing the people in the deep state, but rendering them powerless by getting rid of their pawns. People like Alvin Bragg, Fani Willis, Colonel Vindman, Mark Zaid, Schiff, Steele, Stormy, Engoron, etc. all of these people need to actually be publicly executed with guillotine. They need to be tried and either imprisoned for life or given the death penalty. Which they absolutely deserve. The rest can be outed because they're cowards.
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I think the biggest issue is that Federal Government has forgotten its fear of the people they were elected to serve.
 
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