Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[No. 7 cat]

Navalny did a documentary about Putin's palace some years ago.

It makes the endless claims that Zelensky or his wife have big houses or vast spending habits particularly ludicrous. One claim was that Olena Zelenska went on a bender of a shopping spree in Paris. It wasn't true, but lamely some of the lazier MSM just parroted it albeit with weasel words so they don't seem entirely deserving of a new career demining blind folded. One of the claimed Zelensky pads claimed by a mis info old reliable is actually a Putin residence. The KGB state accuses others of its own faults. I don't think Putin shares any of his many homes with Zelensky.

I saw a claim that Putin wasn't the one who ordered Navalny to be stuffed out, but was content with an agreed trade for a Russian prisoner. However, someone unknown in that KGB/FSB state decided Navalny was better dead. It wasn't as if his master would suffer a loss of reputation. He has none among the decent and turd world dictators think what's regarded as blatant murder shows cojones.

 

[Bunny Wigglesworth]

Plus there's the problem of the Navy getting it there to begin with, unless they plan on having the Marines haul it over the Bosporus on foot Fitzcarraldo-style.

Considering how the Turks into control of the strait, that would be poetic.

Ukraine hits oil depot in occupied Luhansk with ATACMS, says Russia-installed LPR leader​

May 7 (Reuters) - Ukrainian forces attacked an oil storage depot and sparked a large fire, injuring five people late on Tuesday on the outskirts of the Russian-held city of Luhansk in eastern Ukraine, the region's Russia-installed leader said.
"Late at night, the enemy made a strike on the peaceful city of Luhansk, shelling an oil storage depot on the edge of the city," Leonid Pasechnik, head of the Luhansk People's Republic, wrote on Telegram.

He later reported that five employees of the depot were taken to hospital. All units from the local division of Russia's Emergencies Ministry were deployed to put out the fire and keep nearby buildings safe.

Pasechnik suggested, without providing any evidence, that the strike had been carried out by a U.S.-supplied ATACM (Army Tactical Missile System).

"Efforts to provide medical assistance to the injured are compounded by the large fire," he wrote.

There was no official Ukrainian statement on the incident.
Video posted on the sites of both Russian and Ukrainian war bloggers showed a large fire burning some distance from apartment buildings.

Ukrainian war bloggers reported the strike, one suggesting it was carried out by a missile.

Separatist fighters backed and financed by Russia seized control of large chunks of Luhansk and Donetsk regions in eastern Ukraine in 2014 after Moscow annexed Crimea.
Pasechnik became head of the separatist region before Moscow launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Russia annexed both regions - as well as Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions - in September 2022, though it does not have full control of any of them.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Maybe Biden can trade another high value captive for him? What am I saying, he's just a retarded white guy not a mulatto dyke. Enjoy prison, comrade!

Unless he declares himself a she, he better get to like the gulag, or at least get used to it.

 

[Kendall Motor Oil]

That said, I am pretty sure 2024 is going to be really boring with lots of incremental and ultimately meaningless Russian gains where they de nazify another 1 km of front

Does anyone here think Russia is slowing down due to soldiers burning out or for some other reason? They seem to just to trench attacks every so often but don't seem committed. I don't even think its probing for weak spots.

 

[World in Scarlet]

Does anyone here think Russia is slowing down due to soldiers burning out or for some other reason?

I don't see them slowing down. For the next few months predictions are an accelerated rate of attacks and the recent penetration in the Avdiivka area is not stopped. Ukrainians are trying to crown fund construction equipment so they can create additional defensive lines in the rear. Everything Russian is degenerate to the extreme, but Ukraine is poor and the further to the top you go, the more rotten things become there as well. It is a testament to the corruption of the entire Russian state apparatus that the war did not end in early 2022 and the situation has been varying degrees of tenuous since early 2023. A lack of equipment and manpower on the Ukrainian side is currently allowing the Russians to advance and even somewhat equalize losses in some areas, which is to the extreme disadvantage of Ukraine, as Russia still has those Soviet stocks in men and materiel to waste in horrendously inefficient assaults. As you can see in the vatnik thread, pro-Russians couldn't give less of a shit about the quality of life, or actually even ability to stay alive, of Russians, while the more open society in Ukraine allows for a public discussion of everything problematic. There's also the fact that on average Ukrainians are not as utterly beaten down and demoralized as Russians, so problems in the leadership and administration have an impact on public support for mobilisation efforts.

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T-80BV equipped with jamming station RP-Z77UVM1L in service with the 40th Naval Infantry Brigade.



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Other models:



Allegedly this one is called "Porcupine".

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Driver view:

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Russian decoy workshop:

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Indian police cracking down on human trafficking of Indians into the Russian military:

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Similar things happened in Cuba and Nepal, and the Africans in the Russian military likely come from similar sources, though those governments are probably too dysfunctional to care.

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UK expels Russian glowies:

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Poland lost its S-200 somehow.

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European re-armament:

Before the Russian attack, Rheinmetall had an annual capacity of around 70,000 shells. This year, the Dax-listed company expects to have a capacity of 700,000, rising to 1.1 million in the medium term.

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That article talks about supplying some prototype shell with a 100km range, does anyone know what is?
The CEO says most of the explosives come from China and Germany stopped producing steel for tank armor three years ago; it is imported from Sweden.

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Vehicles in Russian storage counts:

Spoiler: numbers

D-30:

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Large artillery depot overall changes:


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AFVs:

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Guesstimate/Summary of overall availability:

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Reminder, these are estimates for production/refurbishment:

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Desertcross trench assault:

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A Russian soldier is severely injured outside the door by an FPV drone, but is still alive. His comrade wedges open the door to throw him off the curb and goes back inside.

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BRAT dynamic protection saved the Ukrainian M2A2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicle from a strike from the Russian Lancet kamikaze drone

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[Fatsuit Shinji]

Memes aside, that was the OG Challenger, which is an almost completely different tank to the Challenger 2; it was also the 90s updated Challenger, which was a radically different tank to the vehicles that rolled off the production line in the 80s. The original Challenger also still holds the record for the longest tank-on-tank kill in history. The 2 is very heavy, but it can get up to 40 mph on the flat and it excels as both a sniper and a bunker buster.

Challenger 2 heaviness is mostly in part due to be at the time, being hilariously well armor all around. Prior to theur deployment to Ukraine, the only Challenger 2 destroyed and at least two of its crew killed in theatre was by friendly fire by another Challenger 2 back in 2003.

 

[jalopy]

That article talks about supplying some prototype shell with a 100km range, does anyone know what is?

The XM1155 had a tested range of 110km. Not sure if it ever entered production. I believe that was some kind of discarding sabot round so smaller projectile. It was part of a high caliber Paladin the US Army was testing but it was recently canned.

1: Not really. Shit's heavy, is more or less why not. Also don't put your fighters at low level over the FEBA if you can help it.

ITs not retarded but its nearly unfeasible at current. explosive rope is heavy, and at terminal velcolity there are a lot of physics in play that make deploying a long tail of explosives not a great idea.

Don't know why I didn't check before posting, but according to the font of all human knowledge, America's M58 MiCLiC is 350ft. long and has 5lbs of explosives per foot. Coming out to 1750lbs. The Mark 84 is 2039lbs. Obviously there is more to the system, but dropping it to 200ft would put the weight of explosive around the same as in the Mark 84.

Per the same font of wisdom, the F16C/D can carry 4x Mark 84 bombs. That would be 800ft which sounds a lot more impressive and could be combined with a larger strike package and delivered without accumulating a pile of rare and specialized hardware that screams "LOOK AT ME, I'M GOING TO ADVANCE TO THE NEARBY MINE FIELD"

Maybe its still retarded but I now dream of spicy flying Chef Boyardee dropping explosive spaghetti out the back.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

It also ignores the fact the US cannot legally send an aircraft carrier in the first place due to the Montreaux Convention

My point was that it'd be sending a fish into a barrel, less whether it was legal to send the fish into the barrel.
Giving Russia a chance to claim the ultimate "look what US asset I blewed up!!!" and endangering the lives of thousands of men and women and denying said asset its best ability (i.e. mobile flexibility) is retarded.
Especially when the US could just play big-dick with F-15s out of Poland.

Enjoy dungeon, soldier child.

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InB4 he ends up drafted into a penal battalion meatwave assault on Chasiv Yar or some other nameless town in the Donbass, so that way KGB "FSB" farms can mine outrage points with headlines like "Ukrainian Army kills US soldier".

 

[DumbDude43]

My point was that it'd be sending a fish into a barrel, less whether it was legal to send the fish into the barrel.
Giving Russia a chance to claim the ultimate "look what US asset I blewed up!!!" and endangering the lives of thousands of men and women and denying said asset its best ability (i.e. mobile flexibility) is retarded.
Especially when the US could just play big-dick with F-15s out of Poland.

us aircraft probably have enough range to reach ukraine without their carrier having to enter the black sea
it could sit off the coast of greece or turkey and launch the jets from there

 

[Ghostse]

Maybe its still retarded but I now dream of spicy flying Chef Boyardee dropping explosive spaghetti out the back.

HAve you ever watched a Kite's tail whip about in the wind? Now imagine if that tail was made of explosives.

 

[jalopy]

In America Monke News, an attempt to oust Speak of the House Mike Johnson by Marjorie Taylor Greene was smashed utterly with bipartisan support.
As it turns out, being extremely unlikable is bad politics. 359 to 43 unlikable. Better margins against the Ukraine aid bill in the House of Representatives.

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European Union has agreed to take profits from frozen Russian assets. It may or may not be sent directly to Ukraine, but there is not a lot of clarity in the reporting. Individual nations have some decision making power here. Hungary objected, along with Ireland, for purely military aid. They will be providing, or have negotiated in someway such that 10% of the aid will be used for humanitarian purposes.

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HAve you ever watched a Kite's tail whip about in the wind? Now imagine if that tail was made of explosives.

Hmm, but it also has negligible resistance to movement. It is both light and has no other forces acting upon it. To create a straight line would require tension across the line, one side could be the momentum of the carrier and the other a small rocket, like a typical MiCLiC. Just speculative on my part.
Back of the envelope math suggests the weight carrying capacity could fit a system worth deploying.

The $406 million could be going for developing anything really. I just wonder what.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

A Russian soldier is severely injured outside the door by an FPV drone, but is still alive. His comrade wedges open the door to throw him off the curb and goes back inside.

Once in a while I pass the car with "Русские своих не бросают!" ("Russians don't leave their own behind") sticker on the windows, and remember all these cases of exactly that happening.
Makes me chuckle, but also deepens desperation that comes from knowing that you're surrounded by brainwashed idiots.

Or maybe the phrase means bailing out and forgiving debts to 3rd world shitholes to court favor, making us, regular citizens, pay for it all.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Right, I don't even think carriers are a permitted type of military vessel to pass the straits under the Convention. Maybe small helicopter carriers but definitely not a Nimitz or Ford class carrier. They wouldn't even be able to clear the bridges.

Basically what DumbDude said:

it could sit off the coast of greece or turkey and launch the jets from there

There's literally no need to put a carrier in the Black Sea. Just park it in the Aegean and have the jets fly over NATO airspace to attack anything in the Black Sea. Parking a carrier in the Aegean would have about the same effect is parking one right outside Sevastopol.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Don't know why I didn't check before posting, but according to the font of all human knowledge, America's M58 MiCLiC is 350ft. long and has 5lbs of explosives per foot. Coming out to 1750lbs. The Mark 84 is 2039lbs. Obviously there is more to the system, but dropping it to 200ft would put the weight of explosive around the same as in the Mark 84.

The deal with mine-clearing line clarges is that they clear a lane through the minefield instead of making a circular hole in them as with conventional air dropped bombs.

 

[Ghostse]

Unless he declares himself a she, he better get to like the gulag, or at least get used to it.

Probably becoming a woman would result in less rape as well.

There's literally no need to put a carrier in the Black Sea. Just park it in the Aegean and have the jets fly over NATO airspace to attack anything in the Black Sea. Parking a carrier in the Aegean would have about the same effect is parking one right outside Sevastopol.

Geopolitically though, if you launch from Greek waters that means Greece is down with openly throwing hands at Russia.

 

[Something Awful]

people really over estimate how much nukes would actually degrade fighting capability, especially in the first 12 months of a conflict (will to fight is another story)

What do you mean? What fighting capability would be left after an all-out nuclear exchange? Are you just talking about some limited scenario with a few nukes?

 

[Melmac_Knight]

Maybe Biden can trade another high value captive for him? What am I saying, he's just a retarded white guy not a mulatto dyke. Enjoy prison, comrade!

if only he was a trans athlete he'd have a chance

 

[Ghostse]

What do you mean? What fighting capability would be left after an all-out nuclear exchange? Are you just talking about some limited scenario with a few nukes?

More than you have been lead to believe. The war industries in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were back up an running inside of a week iirc.
Blast casualties when you drop a bomb into the middle of a dense urban core like NYC or San Fransisco lead to large death tolls but little in the way of immediate fighting capability - there's no army bases on Mahattan.

You also must remember that immediate, second-0 targets will be your opponents nukes. Those are located out in the middle of no where, and you aren't just going to send one missile at your oponents silo and call it good. you're going to use two or maybe three - that's a lot of destructive potential going to the middle of bumfuck Idaho or Siberia.

Next on the list would be the strategic air bases to stop bombers- again, lots of stuff in low-population zones, away from anything important.

Next, assuming this isn't a random fuck you from out of no where, will be the enemy's front line formations. IF we're talking about surviving in the immediate and forgetting cancer, a simple trench does wonders for survivability. Any gas mask that would work for chemical weapons will ensure you aren't breathing fallout, and fallout decays rapidly. Supply depos are likely fucked, but you're only punching fairly limited holes in the enemy's front lines - provided you're bothering with those at all and not just trying to cut them off.

Then you go after war production, transport, etc.

Now after about 12 months, if your cities are leveled, you're going to start having a, in short, population crisis. You will be hard pressed to man your defense industries and meet recruitment targets. But until that point, your troops are trained, equipped and very probably deployed. There is still plenty of capacity for conventional war to follow the nukes.

But, to put some context back into what you've selectively quoted, that is assuming there's still the WILL to fight after the initial exchange. And that seems somewhat unlikely, but you never know.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

https://www.ft.com/content/c509400e-ed6b-4f9d-9cd4-bcabd57a01c4

https://archive.is/IHh3f

Figured this would also be interesting to the pro-Ukrainian side.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Except for high value targets like command centers ala Cheyenne Mountain, sub pens and etc. which need ground bursting nukes to destroy. Everything else like cities just require air bursting nukes which don't create any where near the level of fallout compare to ground bursting nukes do create. Most of the Cold War and post CW anti-nuclear propaganda is hinged toward making westerners believe all nukes are the fallout creating ground burst nukes.